Gaming Recommended RPGs? or Zelda>All!?

[Urza]

That does NOT evil.

That is an evil of all that is dinner.

Fixed.

 

[zeppo]

the oracle games don't really count because:

1. they were for gba :/

2. they weren't 3D

 

[Urza]

the oracle games don't really count because:

1. they were for gba :/

2. they weren't 3D

1. They were for GBC.

2. Most of the Zelda games aren't 3D.

 

[Evilkoko]

the oracle games don't really count because:

1. they were for gba :/

2. they weren't 3D

I don't quite understand this logic...

 

[.TakaM]

I also prefer Pokemon.

oh god

 

[Jdbye]

the oracle games don't really count because:

1. they were for gba :/

2. they weren't 3D

I don't quite understand this logic...


That, and he obviously doesn't know a lot about them, since he says they're for GBA

And since when is a zelda game judged based on what console it's for? They're all awesome!

I also prefer Pokemon.

oh god

What? I prefer Pokemon too.

 

[Gene98]

rpg=ROLE PLAYING game
what role u play in Zelda? In PH u dont even control Link directly. Role of little fairy? Then DOOM is rpg too... U playing role of space-marine. In Serious Sam u play role of _most_dumb_superhero_ever_. In Nintendogs - dog trainer

 

[Hitto]

rpg=ROLE PLAYING game
what role u play in Zelda? In PH u dont even control Link directly. Role of little fairy? Then DOOM is rpg too... U playing role of space-marine. In Serious Sam u play role of _most_dumb_superhero_ever_. In Nintendogs - dog trainer

WHOOOOSH!

Guess what that sound is...

Please define what an RPG is, and give me examples I will shatter mercilessly under my heel.

I dare ya.

 

[GameDragon]

This topic is getting out of hand....
Zelda is an action RPG whether you like it or not...

I think it's my turn input...

In Zelda, you can't makes choices that will affect the game(or the ending). It's a action game, and it's never gonna be a RPG.


You actually can make choices. The most common are called sidequests. They enable features, abilities, and/or story which are otherwise inaccessible on the normal.

I think basically RPGs are a genre that is story-oriented and based on character development (gameplay and story).

Zelda isn't one, 'cause link is a mute.

Ever heard of game called Chrono Trigger? If you say Chrono Trigger isn't an RPG, I swear I'll shoot you.

QUOTE(zeppo @ Aug 30 2007, 06:39 PM)the oracle games don't really count because:

1. they were for gba :/

2. they weren't 3D

........

I don't even know what to say to that. That barely even makes sense. Zelda has only been in 3D for less than 9 years, everything before that was all 2D. This was before GBA was even released. If I follow your theory, Ocarina of Time was the first Zelda game ever.

Anyone care to prove me wrong?

 

[Hitto]

Ever heard of game called Chrono Trigger? If you say Chrono Trigger isn't an RPG, I swear I'll shoot you.

Sure, but I'm mostly trolling right now.
You can say Chrono Trigger is a role-playing game in the sense that you play a character's role for 95% of the game.
Now, why is it an RPG? Turn-based combat? (check, we do that in tabletop too.) Interaction with characters? (sure, but just about any videogame does that) Buying, finding and upgrading items? (sure, so I guess viva piñata is an RPG) Experience points? (sure, then tony hawk is also an RPG, you start out with crap stats and then you get to ollie like 20 feet high) Sidequests? (see previous!)

So, we might argue that the only reason Zelda (and secret of mana, then!) isn't an RPG is because it doesn't have turn-based combat!

 

[GameDragon]

So, we might argue that the only reason Zelda (and secret of mana, then!) isn't an RPG is because it doesn't have turn-based combat!

Nope, can't say that either. There are alot of Non turn based RPG games, Final Fantasy XII for example.

I see your point Hitto. Although RPG games are my favorite genre, its difficult to describe what exactly an RPG is. I think I'd call it a "Story-driven-game-comprised-of-numerous-tasks-of-importance-with-a-form-of-combat-and-way-of-managing-inventory"... but thats just me...

From my point of view, Zelda (and Secret of Mana) are RPGs.

 

[suppachipmunk]

I guess I would classify Zelda (one of my favorite series EVER!) as an Action/Adventure.

Whenever I hear "RPG", the first thing that comes to mind is a leveling up system. ie: Final Fantasy, Pokemon, Chrono Trigger, the Mana series.

An RPG would also include a deep, rich story. Zelda has that, but Link, the main character is mute. That kinda makes the story one-sided.

 

[joe90]

Zelda on CDI for the win

 

[suppachipmunk]

joe90 Posted Today, 08:59 AM
 Zelda on CDI for the win

LMAO!

 

[Hitto]

ANYWAY, back to the point!
Good RPGs for the DS :

- Mario & Luigi, can't go wrong with that.
- Etrian Odyssey, roguelike, hard as fuck. lots of grindan (ATLUS!)
- Contact, great quirky little game! lots of grindan (ATLUS!)
- And soon enough, Zelda, rawr :3

 

[Yugge]

About defining RPGs: A true Roleplaying Game is defined as such: A Game in which you take a role which can by your action change the proceedings of the main story. Hence, most of the Zelda games are not RPGs, as the story does proceed the same way even if you take one or two sidequests. But Chrono Trigger definatly is an RPG, as your actions inflict on your proceedings, for example, if you try to sell marle's amulet in the begining of the game, you might end up in jail later on. You also have 8 different endings depending on your actions during the game.


BUT, nowadays RPG is stamped on games that have some type of level handleing and put more effort to story then to the action. But don't go poke at why RPG is called RPG, because most of the RPGs out there today aren't really RPGs.

 

[deattan]

Wants unscrewed Chrono Trigger/Seiken Densetsu series to ds ;_;.

 

[Maikel Steneker]

If you like Zelda-games, you should definitely try Star Fox Adventures. It's not a regular Star Fox game at all (that's why fans, including me, don't really like it) but it's a nice Zelda-clone and Rares only Gamecube title.

It's a lot like Zelda, but the difference is that I play it a lot. I bought Ocarina of Time, but it just didn't catch me. I never played it until the first dungeon or something.

If you like action-games too, Metroid is a nice Adventure, and RE4 is good too.

 

[GameDragon]

About defining RPGs: A true Roleplaying Game is defined as such: A Game in which you take a role which can by your action change the proceedings of the main story. Hence, most of the Zelda games are not RPGs, as the story does proceed the same way even if you take one or two sidequests. But Chrono Trigger definatly is an RPG, as your actions inflict on your proceedings, for example, if you try to sell marle's amulet in the begining of the game, you might end up in jail later on. You also have 8 different endings depending on your actions during the game.


BUT, nowadays RPG is stamped on games that have some type of level handleing and put more effort to story then to the action. But don't go poke at why RPG is called RPG, because most of the RPGs out there today aren't really RPGs.

Sigh... the definition of RPG is harder than I thought. I understand where your coming from, however your example is slightly wrong. In Chrono Trigger, you'll end up in jail no matter what you do, but some of the speeches may be changed. Using endings is a bad example too, majority of RPGs have a single ending no matter what you do. Super Mario RPG has no consequences on your actions from what I remember, and it's still an RPG.

This argument is going nowhere, the term "RPG" is way too general. I myself don't clasify Zelda as an RPG, but rather an Action-RPG. It uses elements from an RPG but has more of an Action type gameplay to it. I don't know any other way to describe it...

 

[Yugge]

About defining RPGs: A true Roleplaying Game is defined as such: A Game in which you take a role which can by your action change the proceedings of the main story. Hence, most of the Zelda games are not RPGs, as the story does proceed the same way even if you take one or two sidequests. But Chrono Trigger definatly is an RPG, as your actions inflict on your proceedings, for example, if you try to sell marle's amulet in the begining of the game, you might end up in jail later on. You also have 8 different endings depending on your actions during the game.


BUT, nowadays RPG is stamped on games that have some type of level handleing and put more effort to story then to the action. But don't go poke at why RPG is called RPG, because most of the RPGs out there today aren't really RPGs.


Sigh... the definition of RPG is harder than I thought. I understand where your coming from, however your example is slightly wrong. In Chrono Trigger, you'll end up in jail no matter what you do, but some of the speeches may be changed. Using endings is a bad example too, majority of RPGs have a single ending no matter what you do. Super Mario RPG has no consequences on your actions from what I remember, and it's still an RPG.

This argument is going nowhere, the term "RPG" is way too general. I myself don't clasify Zelda as an RPG, but rather an Action-RPG. It uses elements from an RPG but has more of an Action type gameplay to it. I don't know any other way to describe it...

I don't consiter Super Mario RPG a RPG per the defention of RPG. An RPG in my opinion is something of the line of Dungeons and Dragons, EON, World of Darkness. The old Bards Tale on the amiga. That kinda thing.

As you said, the term "RPG" is way too general. Most of the RPGs are not per definition RPGs. So there is no use arguing about whether or not a game is an RPG, because any game can both be and not be an RPG nowadays.