Hacking R4 question...

[Miser]

Yes you did start the flame war. The thread was resolved, the op was happy, thread done. Then this morning you added a very unnecessary post calling me a F****** Retard, which I choose not to respond to. That is trolling, there's no need for it.
Actually, the thread starter asked for an R4 and you brainwashed him into thinking an AK2.1/2i is the best choice for him. I then pointed him towards the card he asked for. I'm sure he'll be happier to buy the $3.30 card he specifically asked for than some other card that costs three times as much.

QUOTE(TrolleyDave @ May 25 2010, 10:41 PM) And as I'm the one that edited the post I can say for a fact that yes Miser, you did say this.

I did not. I called the posts in this thread retarded. Didn't call anyone a retard.

 

[TrolleyDave]

Yes you did start the flame war. The thread was resolved, the op was happy, thread done. Then this morning you added a very unnecessary post calling me a F****** Retard, which I choose not to respond to. That is trolling, there's no need for it.
Actually, the thread starter asked for an R4 and you brainwashed him into thinking an AK2.1/2i is the best choice for him. I then pointed him towards the card he asked for. I'm sure he'll be happier to buy the $3.30 card he specifically asked for than some other card that costs three times as much.


And your problem with people recommending a cart with a team that supports their product, SDHC compatibility, the ability to use the product on a DSi if he chooses to upgrade his DS and a 1 year warranty from the manafacturer over a cart that has no active team, no SDHC compatibility, no 1 year warranty and no futureproofing is?

QUOTE(TrolleyDave @ May 25 2010, 10:41 PM)

And as I'm the one that edited the post I can say for a fact that yes Miser, you did say this.

I did not. I called the posts in this thread retarded. Didn't call anyone a retard.

So in effect you were calling everyone who responded to him fucking retarded for expressing an opinion that differs from yours?

 

[tk_saturn]

Actually, the thread starter asked for an R4 and you brainwashed him into thinking an AK2.1/2i is the best choice for him. I then pointed him towards the card he asked for. I'm sure he'll be happier to buy the $3.30 card he specifically asked for than some other card that costs three times as much.
I gave a very balanced view

QUOTE(tk_saturn @ May 25 2010, 04:21 AM) Your best bet is the R4 from ShopTemp which can run Wood R4

If want something which can use MicroSDHC cards or be used on a DSi/DSI XL, then the Acekard 2i is your best bet.

I recommended he buy an R4 from ShopTemp, what exactly is wrong with that?

 

[exangel]

They are 100% clones. I have one, I have proof. You can easily tell the Green R4 logo on Packaging is a photocopy/ scan. I can provide photos of the cart, internals of the cart, and the packacking.

and yes, this cart runs Wood. So give the arguing and attacking people a rest Miser, you've done it in so many threads and turned them into a R4 Flame war.

They are $3.30 from NDScardsale, of course they are clones!

Ok, post a comparison on the internals of both cards. The original V2 R4 and the identical so-called clone.

Just take one more look at how this thread started. I didn't start the retarded flame war. The topic starter asked for an R4 and the first reply is "don't get R4". The first replier even recommended an AK2.1, a poorly built, defective card over it. Then people, you included, started stating these so-called facts about all R4s being clones and how he should get an AK2i. I gave him an informative reply for the question he asked.

http://www.ds-scene.net/?s=viewtopic&id=357 - the v2s on that thread sure don't look like what tk_saturn posted.

As far as denying responsibility for starting the flame war, not only is it completely useless to say you didn't start it, you are the only person involved in this discussion that has been directly aggressive to anyone. And apparently, your denial is counterproductive as this thread continues

 

[Miser]

with a team that supports their product

So in effect you were calling everyone who responded to him fucking retarded for expressing an opinion that differs from yours?
What's retarded is everyone going "don't buy R4, buy AK2i" in each and every thread on this section. My remark was mainly aimed towards lolzed's post.

I recommended he buy an R4 from ShopTemp, what exactly is wrong with that?

Nothing much, I just pointed out that he can get it cheaper on Priceangels and that there's no proof it's a clone.

QUOTE(exangel @ May 25 2010, 10:54 PM)

http://www.ds-scene.net/?s=viewtopic&id=357 - the v2s on that thread sure don't look like what tk_saturn posted.

As far as denying responsibility for starting the flame war, not only is it completely useless to say you didn't start it, you are the only person involved in this discussion that has been directly aggressive to anyone.

What people refer to as V2 is the non-spring-loaded version. That's also the version I'm talking about and it's identical to the new "compact pack" one. You clearly don't know what you're talking about. And no, I'm not being aggressive, I'm being straight-forward.

 

[tk_saturn]

Logo from an original R4, as in the GBAtemp review

Logo from a Compact R4, as sold by PriceAngels

You can tell it's been scanned from an original. It's dull, and missing detail such as in the arcs at the top and bottom.

 

[TrolleyDave]

with a team that supports their product

So them releasing an update recently isn't evidence of them supporting their product? Or the fact that they offer a pretty hassle free replacement policy isn't supporting their product? Or what about the fact that they respond to emails, isn't that evidence of them supporting their product?

So in effect you were calling everyone who responded to him fucking retarded for expressing an opinion that differs from yours?

What's retarded is everyone going "don't buy R4, buy AK2i" in each and every thread on this section. My remark was mainly aimed towards lolzed's post.

No it's not at all. It's offering sound advice. Simply because you don't believe it (and you're in a very very very small minority) doesn't mean it's untrue.

QUOTE

What people refer to as V2 is the non-spring-loaded version. That's also the version I'm talking about and it's identical to the new "compact pack" one. You clearly don't know what you're talking about. And no, I'm not being aggressive, I'm being straight-forward.

The internals were the same, the only difference was the outer shell, the removal of the spring and updated batch numbers. The core components remained.

 

[tk_saturn]

If you're so sure the clones are identical to the V2, which presumably you have. Why don't you take some photos of the V2 for us, eh?

 

[Miser]

The internals were the same, the only difference was the outer shell, the removal of the spring and updated batch numbers. The core components remained.
[citation needed]
Seriously now, you keep stating these so-called facts without any proof. Are you really that thick-headed?

Tk_saturn, it's quite obvious that the packaging is different. No one is disputing that. I thought you were going to provide comparative pictures of the internals.

No it's not at all. It's offering sound advice. Simply because you don't believe it (and you're in a very very very small minority) doesn't mean it's untrue.
So you're saying that if someone comes on this R4 board asking for an R4 to run WoodR4 on it, a good reply is to tell him not to buy an R4 and get an AK2i instead? Funny.

My point summarized: Don't pull "facts" out of your arse. I'm pretty much done with this thread, I'll check the comparative photos of the internals if you decide to post some, saturn.

QUOTE(tk_saturn @ May 25 2010, 11:13 PM)

If you're so sure the clones are identical to the V2, which presumably you have. Why don't you take some photos of the V2 for us, eh?

I don't want to take it apart.

 

[tk_saturn]

From the sound of it Miser, as you are asking others to provide photos, you have neither a V2 R4, or a clone R4. So where exactly are your proof they are the same? do you actually have any?

From what i've seen, TrolleyDave is doing fine as a mod and is also fairly active on here. So give the bashing a rest, i'm amazed he hasn't banned or warned you yet. I wouldn't have shown such tolerance.

 

[hundshamer]

I'm sorry guys but as a third party, MY EYES ARE BLEEDING. The original is no longer in production. Though they are few and far in between there are a few decent clones. That being said the OP may be better getting an acekard as it is a grab bag as to which clones are decent and which are landfill. I don't see any reason to argue as the OP has his answer and people are stubborn (myself included), therefore opinions aren't easily swayed.

 

[TrolleyDave]

The internals were the same, the only difference was the outer shell, the removal of the spring and updated batch numbers. The core components remained.
[citation needed]
Seriously now, you keep stating these so-called facts without any proof. Are you really that thick-headed?


It's not me that's thick headed, it's you. I know these things from experience, you just refuse to accept the fact that somebody is more knowledgeable about it then you are.

http://www.ds-scene.net/?s=viewtopic&id=357

And by the way, the one you're thinking of as v2 isn't actually v2. It's yet another case redesign.

So you're saying that if someone comes on this R4 board asking for an R4 to run WoodR4 on it, a good reply is to tell him not to buy an R4 and get an AK2i instead? Funny.

My point summarized: Don't pull "facts" out of your arse. I'm pretty much done with this thread, I'll check the comparative photos of the internals if you decide to post some, saturn.

Yes, but you see those of us who've been around for longer than you have also have alot of experience with the fact that the general public only knows about R4. For the general public flashcart = R4, so people like to give them a well rounded view. And yes, if someone come here asking for an R4 to run WoodR4 on then people should recommend other carts. The R4 is not the beast of a slot 1 cart it used to be. Isn't it wiser for people to recommend a cart that's more futureproof?

As for pulling facts out my arse, point them out to me? All the facts I've pointed out are common knowledge.

QUOTE

If you're so sure the clones are identical to the V2, which presumably you have. Why don't you take some photos of the V2 for us, eh?

I don't want to take it apart.

So in other words you're sat here stating that there is no physical difference between the two and you haven't actually examined the internals?

QUOTE(tk_saturn @ May 25 2010, 09:24 PM)

From what i've seen, TrolleyDave is doing fine as a mod and is also fairly active on here. So give the bashing a rest, i'm amazed he hasn't banned or warned you yet. I wouldn't have shown such tolerance.

Cheers TK!

He's not bashed me in an offensive way so I'm not really bothered. I'm more bothered about him spreading misinformation so I won't leave it without all the facts being put forward.

 

[Miser]

And by the way, the one you're thinking of as v2 isn't actually v2. It's yet another case redesign.
Like I said, from what I've seen people generally refer to the spring-loaded one as V1 and the non-spring-loaded one as V2. Should be common knowledge.

I'm more bothered about him spreading misinformation so I won't leave it without all the facts being put forward.
Are you for real?
When did I ever spread misinformation? I have clearly stated that it's my belief that they're no clones. I never passed my beliefs along as facts, unlike several other people in this thread.

QUOTE(TrolleyDave @ May 25 2010, 11:34 PM)

Yes, but you see those of us who've been around for longer than you have also have alot of experience with the fact that the general public only knows about R4. For the general public flashcart = R4, so people like to give them a well rounded view. And yes, if someone come here asking for an R4 to run WoodR4 on then people should recommend other carts. The R4 is not the beast of a slot 1 cart it used to be. Isn't it wiser for people to recommend a cart that's more futureproof?

What do you mean by being around for longer? The flashcard scene? I joined DS-Scene before you've joined this site, so I guess I've "been around longer".
In my opinion the AK2i isn't more futureproof than the R4. The official team is half-dead and the fix for those defective cards isn't perfect, from what I've read.
Also, AKAIO releases seem to have slowed down, the last stable version was 1.5.1, released in January. The last RC was released two months ago.
Unofficial firmware + futureproof = does not compute.
If you want to recommend a futureproof flashcard (if there is such a thing), you recommend something like Supercard or Cyclo.

My point was that you shouldn't misinform people by calling those R4s clones when you don't have any proof. Clones have a shitty reputation. It's amazing how I can't get this simple point through to you. It's not a fact if you don't have proof to back it up.

 

[tk_saturn]

Miser: seeing that everyone else in this thread believes they are clones and most of the people on this board also believe they are clones, It's YOU that needs to prove they are not.

You've provided absolutely nothing to suggest they aren't clones.

 

[xakota]

So, does priceangel's r4 run Wood R4?

 

[Miser]

Miser: seeing that everyone else in this thread believes they are clones and most of the people on this board also believe they are clones, It's YOU that needs to prove they are not.

You've provided absolutely nothing to suggest they aren't clones.

Neither have I claimed that they aren't clones. I've said that I believe them to be authentic. I have told people not to call them clones since they have no evidence to support that claim.
If I was saying things like "they're definately genuine, original R4s", you would have the right to ask me for proof.

 

[tk_saturn]

PROOF:

Image was taken from the R4 website and posted by ahtin

The one the left is a clone, and the one on the right is a real R4 V2. Notice how similar they are?

The $3.30 cart I have is the same as the cart on the left

NOW GIVE IT A REST.

 

[Miser]

Umm, the card you have is definately the one on the right.

E: Which would suggest that it's a real R4 V2.

 

[tk_saturn]

He's mixed up the photo's or the translation.

Other photos are here http://gbatemp.net/index.php?showtopic=935...p;#entry1250206

And I will post other comparison photos of mine tommorrow.

rear shell, real is on the left.

Mine

Notice the thickness around the MicroSD card logo.

Fake is on the left, center and right are original. Notice the step, mine has no step, I will take a phot of it tomorrow.

Real is on the left, notice the red colouring under the IC pins, and the red colouring also under the MicroSD card pins.

Mine is greenish like the fakes, certainly not as red as the real. Also notice the spacing between the ROHS letters, they are using different fonts. Mine is the same as the fake.

Also Flamingo on here has been lynched by a few members for calling the clones 1:1 clones, it's clear in the pictures they really are 1:1 clones. They aren't easy to tell apart, and are near perfect clones. There is no way any retailer will be able to tell the difference.

 

[TrolleyDave]

Like I said, from what I've seen people generally refer to the spring-loaded one as V1 and the non-spring-loaded one as V2. Should be common knowledge.

Both the V2 and V3 shells are springless. So you're right, it is common knowledge to call the springless one V2. A common misconception is to call the v3 shell v2 and to believe that there has only been 1 version of the cart that was springless. See, this is the point I'm making. I'm not pulling facts out of my arse, I actually know what I'm talking about. And I don't use general misconceptions, I prefer to tell facts. All 3 shells contained the same internals. The only time they modified the internals was to put a nice little blob over the top of part of the PCB so that you couldn't turn the R4 into a M3 Simply anymore. You claim I need to show you proof that there was no component changes in between the 3 iterations of the cart, how about you show me that there was. You seem to be very knowledgeable on the subject.

Are you for real?
When did I ever spread misinformation? I have clearly stated that it's my belief that they're no clones. I never passed my beliefs along as facts, unlike several other people in this thread.

Let's see, you claim that you believe that they are from the R4 team and then precede to bash and argue with anyone who says they're not. You are saying that people shouldn't be allowed to call them clones without proof. The proof is that the R4 team no longer exist and that they don't produce carts anymore. So by saying there is no proof that these aren't genuine carts you're spreading a misconception.

Plus then there's the fact that you stated that you have compared an original and the ones we're saying is a clone and found no differences. Now you admit that you haven't actually opened up the cart to check the internals. So therefore you've spread another misconception about them being exactly the same.

What do you mean by being around for longer? The flashcard scene? I joined DS-Scene before you've joined this site, so I guess I've "been around longer".

So then how come you're the only one who doesn't know that these are clones? If you'd been around for at least 2 years we wouldn't actually be having this discussion.

In my opinion the AK2i isn't more futureproof than the R4.

So if I decide to upgrade from a DS to a DSi my R4 will work?

The official team is half-dead and the fix for those defective cards isn't perfect, from what I've read.

But you've missed the point. They've worked on a fix. When's the last time that the R4 team released any kind of fix?

QUOTEAlso, AKAIO releases seem to have slowed down, the last stable version was 1.5.1, released in January. The last RC was released two months ago.
Unofficial firmware + futureproof = does not compute.

It doesn't matter whether they've slowed down or not or they're unoffical. Even if the unofficial firmware went away there would still be an official team behind the product and firmwares would still be released. If YWG stopped working on WoodR4 would there still be another alternative that is actually updated?


QUOTE

If you want to recommend a futureproof flashcard (if there is such a thing), you recommend something like Supercard or Cyclo.

Unless the person is looking for a cheap cart. And let's face it, if you're looking for a 5 buck cart then you're looking for cheap. Therefore the AK2i is the best alternative to the R4.

QUOTE

My point was that you shouldn't misinform people by calling those R4s clones when you don't have any proof. Clones have a shitty reputation. It's amazing how I can't get this simple point through to you. It's not a fact if you don't have proof to back it up.

And as you've been told many times, the proof that they're clones is that the R4 team no longer exists and no longer manufactures carts. Can't really get much more proof than that. You say you think they've started producing carts again and that you don't believe these are clones. You've been shown proof of their doing a runner, now show me proof they've reformed and started producing carts again. And also show me this proof you have that their is no difference between the v3 version of the cart and the clone currently being sold. You said earlier in this thread that you've already compared them and the only difference is the packaging. So let's this see this comparison. Or was it merely a surface comparison. Have you actually opened up the cart?

As your the one that is so vehement that these aren't clones and you are obviously willing to argue the point then put your evidence on the table. Otherwise it's nothing more than a wish and a hope. The facts point towards them ceasing production of the cart, now show me your facts that point towards them starting production again.

It's time to put up or shut up. If you can't show me the side by side comparison of the internals of the cart (as you've asked tk_saturn to do to prove he's telling the truth) then I will have to assume that you're nothing more than a troll and lock the thread.