Hardware PSA: Gateway Is Making More Bricks

[Xenon Hacks]

For anyone interested or curious about bricking there 3ds , I'm sending a 3ds and a dstwo+ card to @gamesquest1 tomorrow he can do as many tests on it as he likes as I'm curious too. I can't do it as I'm unable to unbrick it if it does brick. I brought the dstwo+ to use both ds and 3ds games together and was completely aware that gateway would do the bricking code in a future update I even posted somewhere on a thread someone made about gateway being dead and I said there making there next launcher bulletproof and pulling out the brick code again. I own gateway too but for the pure convenience of having both ds and 3ds on one card was exciting. So if @gamesquest1 can test the safe plugin 1.03 to let me know he deems it safe and use at your own will I would be happy to carry on using it and to test the "reported" unsafe ones that would be great.

@hundshamer is already doing that there is little to no need.

 

[gamesquest1]

@hundshamer is already doing there there is little to no need.

yeah he needed a downgrade while he was there, so 2 birds 1 stone and all that

 

[Lettuce2]

I also posted this in another thread moments ago but I guess I should've posted here first.

I bricked my O3DS trying to update the sysNand using sysUpdater with rxMode 2.6 CWF. It's my fault for not taking the full guide seriously. Either way do the raspberry pi solutions also apply to my situation? And if so, is there anyone in MIchigan who would be willing to help unbrick it? with a fee of course...

oh I have the nand backup btw

 

[gamesquest1]

I also posted this in another thread moments ago but I guess I should've posted here first.

I bricked my O3DS trying to update the sysNand using sysUpdater with rxMode 2.6 CWF. It's my fault for not taking the full guide seriously. Either way do the raspberry pi solutions also apply to my situation? And if so, is there anyone in MIchigan who would be willing to help unbrick it? with a fee of course...

oh I have the nand backup btw

PM @hundshamer he is US based (not sure exactly where), but there is only a handful of people doing them, as for unbricking you only need a SD reader and a nand backup for black screen bricks (which is what you will have), raspberry pi is only needed to brick code bricks

 

[Lettuce2]

PM @hundshamer he is US based (not sure exactly where), but there is only a handful of people doing them, as for unbricking you only need a SD reader and a nand backup for black screen bricks (which is what you will have), raspberry pi is only needed to brick code bricks

I don't need to take apart and solder anything? Just an SD reader? Sir/Madam/Other you have just brought tears of joy to my eyes lol! Please can you direct me to a guide to just tell me real quick how to do this? I've been googling and searching on these forums for 2+ hours now

 

[Wekker]

well then there is a steep learning curve and im sure you wouldnt make the same mistake next time, the simple fact is, that flashcards are the seedy underworld, and its silly to rush in all uninformed like a naive child....im sure many naive children do rush in and get stung by fake flashcard sellers, people overselling a item, or selling known shitty products, its common for re-sellers to sell shitty cards and act like they are so much better as they get a higher return by selling a clone than a legit card........its only once you get stung once that you realize that that guy selling you a flashcard is not your "fwashcard fwends" he is a shady guy trying to make money selling dodgy goods, treat him accordingly, same goes for the website of the card you plan to buy, they will never say "hey our card is a clone, we are cheap and lazy and dont really know what we are going, but we are cheaper so i guess thats a positive....anyway buy our card please"

Jesus Christ. So lets say youre buying a DSTWO+ and you set it up and so on, and you get to the part where it says go to gateway-3ds.com and download their launcher. So you go to their site and you literally see written with those huge ass letters THE PREMIER FLASH CARD FOR 3DS! so you think to yourself wait a minute, am I using the files from a card that has nothing to do with mine, let me take a closer look and bam - "PS: We have noticed some serious and dangerous flaws in an unofficial Gateway emulation plugin, and we strongly urge to cease using this plugin and only use GENUINE Gateway! You have been warned!" you get to see this baby. Now who in their right mind would continue after this. I mean really? 3 people got bricked and I can bet my right arm that all 3 of them knew exactly what they were doing. Making excuses that its "gatecraps" fault is beyond foolish here. The only ones at fault here are the users for not taking half an hour to research their shit before hacking their $200 console and SC for not providing a safe plugin file. I mean its not like you werent warned and the poll sure as hell is not lying right?

And to answer your question, its not his fault, the one who sold him the console with everything pre-installed is to blame.

For instance Im currently in the process of selling my 3DS with GW installed and it has the downgraded MSET. It would be foolish of me not to warn him not to format the System since it will brick the console due to the downgraded MSET, and even more of him blaming GW for the stuff I installed on my console and didnt gave proper instructions.

But hey, your "hate" towards GW is clouding your judgement and youre not thinking straight. Think of it as in this way; if someone were to steal your money constantly, would you punch him or let him have his way. Not hard to understand right?

Let me states some facts for you, you can buy Dstwo+ and crapgate like a regular toys in shops in asia. Shop employees will explain/show what those flashcart can do, they can preinstall everything for you if you do not know how to use it. They will sometime stating the pros and cons of each flashcart to justify the price difference. Not every shop employee is aware of the issue, nor do they know how to read english in the first place. There are enough buyers that want to have a plug and play ready flashcart because they do not know anything about flashcart. Also the price in asia for gatecrap is way lower. It is like 40-50 euro right now, the lowest i have seen is 36 euro.

The first time i bought my flashcart i was 20, and i didn't know how to setup. Everything was preinstalled, even the games. The only thing i find important was to know how to add more games in the future, so the Shop employees showed me. In almost every statement in this topic, everyone is assuming that the WHOLE WORLD knows the website of crapgate or that every buyers or end users HAVE to know or already know the issue. Which doesn't apply to this world though.

If there are 3 reported bricks. Then i assumed there are 27 unreported bricks from users who do not know about flashcarts, assumed that the buyers with knowledge of flashcart is 10% of the total buyers of flashcart. Whenever it is applicable or not, there unreported brick from those who do not know where to report or on who. Or even know what the cause of the brick is in the first place.

@guitarheroknight: You last examle is weird, that doesn't apply to this situation because:
Person that got money stolen: crapgate
Person that is apparently stealing: buyers
Where is SCTEam?

There is no need for an example to explain this situation, it is already clear by stating the fact:
gatecrap: intended to brick anyones console if their launcher is not used with their own flashcart.
SCTeam: intended to use gatecrap's launcher to emulate gatecrap.
buyers: those that are aware and unaware of the issue got their consoles bricked by using DSTwo+

My statement is that: It is not users to blame for breaking their consoles and didn't look up gatecrap site, because not all users is aware of this issue nor do they know anything about flashcart.

 

[guitarheroknight]

But the pure fact that you bought a freaking card that emulates read clones another, and you literally have to go to to GWs site to download the launcher where it clearly says do not use our software on anything other than GW is enough to prove its your fault. If GW didnt warn the user theres a code that might brick your console, Id agree that would be pretty shitty but they did so theres that.

The user is at fault for not taking 30 minutes tops to make sure he doesnt fuck up his $200 console, but the bigger fault falls on SC who failed to provide a safe "plugin" I mean really if youre gonna steal someones work at least do it right. Its not like the SC team was born yesterday and they didnt know that GW bricks the clones, the bricked users should blame SC and ask for a new console since their sloppy work got their consoles bricked.

 

[Deleted-236924]

I don't need to take apart and solder anything? Just an SD reader? Sir/Madam/Other you have just brought tears of joy to my eyes lol! Please can you direct me to a guide to just tell me real quick how to do this? I've been googling and searching on these forums for 2+ hours now

You do need to solder to several points on the main board regardless.

 

[Aurora Wright]

If I was Gateway, I would only allow bricks randomly in specific time frames, so people who actively attempt bricking just fail...

I wouldn't be surprised if their code had something like this: "from console-unique information calculate a time frame in which the console bricks randomly".
Of course if you actively attempt to brick it all happens pretty much in the same time frame, so the attempt is useless.

 

[gamesquest1]

If I was Gateway, I would only allow bricks randomly in specific time frames, so people who actively attempt bricking just fail...

I wouldn't be surprised if their code had something like this: "from console-unique information calculate a time frame in which the console bricks randomly".
Of course if you actively attempt to brick it all happens pretty much in the same time frame, so the attempt is useless.

yeah im petty sure there will be some randomizer, that's why i was originally wanting to get hold of one of the "known" bricked consoles, as we can rule out many variables (same Dstwo card, same 3DS profile settings, same SD cards and same contents), set the time on the console to about the time the user claimed he got bricked, and boot it a few times to see if you can repeat the action, then if there is any correlation about serial/time/date/username/SD contents etc you know you have optimal brick triggering conditions to get it to happen again

 

[shanefromoz]

The 3ds is with my son overseas and will be back Monday. Im telling you 100% it is bricked. I have been here on gbatemp for a long time to lie and play games.

 

[ken28]

The 3ds is with my son overseas and will be back Monday. Im telling you 100% it is bricked. I have been here on gbatemp for a long time to lie and play games.

Why the hell did you brought a SC then?

 

[hundshamer]

The 3ds is with my son overseas and will be back Monday. Im telling you 100% it is bricked. I have been here on gbatemp for a long time to lie and play games.

I know you don't have a reason to lie to us, but your son has a reason to lie to you. That reason is to avoid trouble. Did you personally see the brick happen?
I have 3 kids and other parents I have talked to have had problems with children lying to avoid punishment.

 

[shanefromoz]

I know you don't have a reason to lie to us, but your son has a reason to lie to you. That reason is to avoid trouble. Did you personally see the brick happen?
I have 3 kids and other parents I have talked to have had problems with children lying to avoid punishment.

Mate my son is 23 years old why would he lie about it when all he wants to do is play his 3ds. Anyway he will be home later today so i can place a photo for proof here if you wish.

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Why the hell did you brought a SC then?

I dont understand what you are saying ?????

 

[Xenon Hacks]

Mate my son is 23 years old why would he lie about it when all he wants to do is play his 3ds. Anyway he will be home later today so i can place a photo for proof here if you wish.

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I dont understand what you are saying ?????

He means if you were on 9.2 there was 0 zero reason to buy one in the first place.

 

[shanefromoz]

The 3ds is on 4.4

 

[Xenon Hacks]

The 3ds is on 4.4

Still the same it wasn't needed.

 

[hundshamer]

Mate my son is 23 years old why would he lie about it when all he wants to do is play his 3ds. Anyway he will be home later today so i can place a photo for proof here if you wish.

Yeah, I didn't think of your son as an adult. Usually when someone mentions their children, I think of children. I didn't consider that they could be grown.

 

[ken28]

Mate my son is 23 years old why would he lie about it when all he wants to do is play his 3ds. Anyway he will be home later today so i can place a photo for proof here if you wish.

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I dont understand what you are saying ?????

Did you or your son brought it. Also did you know that he want to buy one and did you know about the bricks. If both are yes then why didn't you warn him.

 

[davhuit]

They didn't create something dangerous, and then it got stolen. They had their software emulated/cloned, and then intentionally added brick code so that the consumers who bought their competitors product (Consumers who don't necessarily have in depth knowledge of the goings on of 3DS flashcards) are the ones that suffer the consequences. Gateway is a terrible company. Truly. Considering the business they're in, it probably doesn't matter, but it doesn't make them any better.

Seriously though, just use CFW. Avoids having to deal with the Gateways and Supercards of the world.

Everyone have it's own opinion. Personally, I'm still using my Gateway and never had any problem with it. If I never bought a clone and directly the official one, it's because the brick code is known since long ago. I wouldn't buy a copy of a battery and then complain it exploded, so I prefered to buy the original thing.

But I might use CFW one day if they manage to crack the 9.6+ N3DS firmware. But honestly, I have more hope to see one day Gateway crack it rather than the CFW scene.

Without them, we might still be stuck with 4.x exploit only and still without any N3DS support. It's not to bitch about CFW, it's nice to have some but I don't remember to have seen someone from the scene release a full 9.2 sysnand exploit before Gateway (same for N3DS support, we were stuck with the Sky3DS only until they released their exploit...) so I'm glad they are here personally.