pros and cons of downgrading?

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  1. xdarkmario
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    Ok so with gateway 9.2 support i am now presented with the option to downgrade from 9.2 back to 4.5.
    i have a nand backup of my current 9.2 backed up and tucked away in multiple locations including online.
    now my questions are

    • whats the good and bad of downgrading?
    • whats the risk ratio?
    • should i even downgrade?
    • is dealing with my gateway easier? e.g booting up speed and accessibility (ease of use?)
    • are there more features for 4.5 or 9.2, what do i gain and lose
     
  2. DrCrygor07

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    • You can enjoy CFW
    • 0,1%
    • YES
    • YES
    • More features? Homebrews are better on 4.5... But you will need emunand to run new games.
     
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  3. spinal_cord

    spinal_cord Knows his stuff

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    How is homebrew better on 4.5?
     
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  4. Chrushev

    Chrushev GBAtemp Fan

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    So i have a question about downgrading. Lets say I have a game like Link Between worlds (I believe it has update 6.0 on it), does this mean it requires 6.0? so if I downgrade then Ill only be able to play it if booted into Emunand?
     
  5. DrCrygor07

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    I mean more homebrews
     
  6. DrCrygor07

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    Probably... Or just use region-spoof with some CIAs
     
  7. Arkansaw

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    Your retail saves may or may not work
     
  8. twicefalles

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    there is still the save encryption problem with 4.5 though, right?
    What kind of homebrew does run on 4.5 and not on 9.0?
     
  9. DrCrygor07

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    For now there are very few homebrews for 9.2
     
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  10. the3dsguy

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    i think the best thing about downgrading is you can use the DS profile exploit which is local on your 3ds which in turn can run emunand 9.4.
    this removes the need needing a internet connection should you need to reboot your 3ds OR shut it off to save battery.

    as well, the exploit website wouldnt be up forever, lets say 10 years down the line you want to revisit your 3ds. well too bad.

    remember while in gateway mode your battery dies MUCH faster in sleep mode.
     
  11. davhuit

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    Pros :

    1) Exploit running without internet (useful for a handheld system or to be able to still use it if Gateway website is down).
    2) Make the BlueCard working again without having to install a patch.

    Cons :

    1) Sometimes, gateway launcher crash when you boot it on 4.x, rarely but it can happen. Didn't saw the 9.x crash yet so it seems more stable.
    2) You'll probably have the problem with the save incompatibility on Classic Mode, when 9.x Classic Mode can now read retail saves played on higher firmware.
    3) Downgrading is risky, you might end up with a bricked 3DS.
     
  12. twicefalles

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    there is a backup on scmods and you can run it on your webserver as far as I know, there was a thread about this but I didn't go into detail
     
  13. sweatbox

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    I think the best of 4.5 is, that you can get to use Gateway without inet connection / go to there website.
    You can install the Profilehack und you are ready.

    Edit0: Ninjaed by davhuit :ph34r:

    Edit1: After downgrading and install/execute the DS Profile hack the nag disappeared
     
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  14. the3dsguy

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    unfortunately the local server takes time to set up, if you're out in the street or over at grandpas place and your 3DS dies on you before you plug into a charger port. well you're kinda screwed, unless you have a smart phone and very good with setting up local server. not everyone is good at those kinds of things.

    just fyi, my spouse has a pink 9.2 3ds regular, i downgraded her unit with no problems whatsoever. i followed the instructions to the tee and checked the md5 for every file.
     
  15. justln

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    There's an Android app that does everything for you, no root needed.
     
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    hmmz which one do you need cuz i use play coin thing, blargnes and ftpony on 9.2
     
  17. xdarkmario
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    Ok downgrading looks good and all but I'm not willing to loose all my retail saves. My plan was to one by one backup all my cartridges saves and put them in emunand. I'm not trying to start again.
     
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    my dad works for nintendo.
    in 10 years (a lot less i guarantee) you will not need any card... in early psp and wii homebrews you required a game exploit, now what you need is to just shove something in the memory card, launch an exploit and install custom firmware to the device...

    when psp could be hacked through a pandora battery, then people start to sell pre-made batteries with the hack ready

    the ds only needed a r4 because there is no way to connect a standard memory like a sd card\memory stick or usb stick.. its possible to explot it via download play but its not praticall...

    flashcarts only exist so someone can make money... if there was interest on the device we could run cfw\homebrew\roms easily like we do on other consoles... smea was just one guy, probably a young one with knowledge and free time and he enabled homebrew on the damn thing...


    what makes you think that flashcarts will still be a thing in some years from now?
     
  19. thorasgar

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    The retail cart saves is the big sticking point for me. I need to research and find out what encryption each uses. Hopefully a solution is found.
     
  20. Ra1d

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    https://gbatemp.net/threads/release-gateway-3ds-loader-android.378234/

    Here's an android app that lets you launch a gateway exploit without internet, and requires 2 steps to activate, no skills needed, and will be up forever, since it's an offline mode app.

    However you still have to launch the application and go through the same process every time you want to play, which is why most people chose to downgrade, because all you need on 4.x is just go into Nintendo DS Profile and you're in.
     
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