If you can't play the game it was meant to be played then you shouldn't be playing at all.
This is like playing Monopoly, where legit players play by the rules, but others bend or break the rules, like when they don't like the amount of their monopoly money (don't like the pokemons they get legitimately), they take another whole wad of cash (legal/illegal Pokemon) from another Monopoly board (PokeSav or Pokegen).
Same Monopoly money, just from a different board.
The act of taking money from another board (assuming somebody had two sets of Monopoly board) is just like generating legal Pokemons -- they take all the hard work out. Instead of having to actually play and win the money (or grinding in Pokemon), you just go grab another board and take all the money there and "inject" that into your current game.
But hey, not judging here. Just putting that analogy out there.
I personally don't play the games online at all. However, I have been a fan of the series from back in the Red/Blue days. As a whole, I own and have played through...
Pokemon Blue
Pokemon Yellow
Pokemon Gold
Pokemon Emerald
Pokemon Platinum
Pokemon White
Pokemon Colosseum
I don't understand the appeal of using a hacking program to just give yourself Pokemon with perfect stats, but once I've finished the games I haven't beaten yet (Gale of Darkness, Black 2), I plan on using PokeGen/PokeSav and replicating my Pokemon across all the games into a single cart. I've been working on catching the damned things for I don't know how many freaking years, having to start over from scratch every game because I don't want to buy a second system and everything to transfer them over every single time. It's just ridiculous.
So yeah. Online play I don't really care about, but I would say that it would be best to stay within your current group. If you play with legitimate Pokemon, try to stick with playing against others who do the same. If you play with legit "artificial" ones, play with others who do so as well. If you hack your Pokemon to ridiculous lengths, leave everyone else alone and play with others who like to do the same. (If at all possible)
I agree with ferofax.
Lordofthereef, im not dancig around the fact that Nintendo havnt done anything about it yet.
Im just saying that it's possible that they will cause they really could and they should.
You cant expect them to have sympathy for your 400 hours of exploiting their software.
Only the cheaters would take the fall, and even for them it woulnt be a big one.
Just that it would become impossible to clone pokemon from that point forward. the damage already done cant be undone.
Well? which is real and which one is legal?
Injecting money into Monopoly actually IS playing it as intended. There's a rule that the game (unlike the players) never runs out of money. If the bank runs out of bills, they suggest writing denominations on scraps of paper, but bringing in money from a 2nd set is perfectly cromulant.
I am not sure I can follow along with that logic ferofax (money in Monopoly is not functionally identical to Pokemon in Pokemon) though it does rather nicely bring me to my general observation.
Ah, but then you're playing by the rules, if you say the bank must never run out of money.
My analogy, however, rests on the idea that you're just not satisfied with how much money you got. Maybe you're losing, and so you grab another bundle of cash and proudly announce to the world that you've always had that much money.
"Har har, I keep landing on this tile, but I can't seem to have enough money to buy it, because all the other players are better than me and keep taking my money." So I use my manly manners to deftly dab another handful of Monopoly cash and go "Har, now I'm richer than you motherfuckers. I'm gonna buy every fucking tile I land on. YES, even the GO TO JAIL tile. I'm buying that fucker so you fuckers can pay me and go to jail at the same time."
Haha, I exaggerated a bit. Just imagine Cartman from South Park speaking those lines, and you'll see the humor in it. )
But if you're enjoying yourself at the expense of another person's disappointment, and rather unfairly at that, then something's wrong.
Ergo, cheat all you want, but keep it offline. (not specifically talking about you when I say "you").
But if I am playing with legal mons that can be obtained without any real skill or massive time investment then what does it matter (past the first couple of days since release of the the game anyway)? Is the person that claims to be disappointed just being irrational?
As for your poker one I still hold it fails for much the same reasons-- poker is a probability game of sorts against selection of cards.
And getting perfect Pokemons legitimately is also a probability game of sorts against a selection of possible IV/trait combinations, more so than the odds involved in a single deck of cards.
Losing is always generally disappointing -- it does not need to be claimed as such. But if you knew that your hard-bred pokemon lost against a manipulated pokemon, dude that sucks big-time. That's just like losing Four Aces against a cheated Royal Flush, because the odds that you beat to get that hand just became irrelevant against a hand that never really had any odds in the first place. Just beating the odds in itself is awesome, but you are deprived of that, and that's what ultimately sucks.
At a certain skill level, the battle aspect really is the least significant part. Optimal moves for every situation can be determined mathematically (and players know them by heart), and providing both players play a perfect game (and it's not a long shot at this level) the most important thing affecting the outcome of a battle are the Pokemons' stats, i.e. the amount of grinding the player had put into training/raising the team. At a certain point the grinding is the most important aspect of the game, and if someone skips it with a simple hack, it's natural that the other player would be pissed.Likewise I am still not seeing the bred vs manipulated thing. [...] it just seems like you opted to downplay the battle game aspect.
At a certain skill level, the battle aspect really is the least significant part. Optimal moves for every situation can be determined mathematically (and players know them by heart), and providing both players play a perfect game (and it's not a long shot at this level) the most important thing affecting the outcome of a battle are the Pokemons' stats, i.e. the amount of grinding the player had put into training/raising the team. At a certain point the grinding is the most important aspect of the game, and if someone skips it with a simple hack, it's natural that the other player would be pissed.
But if the pokemon breeding/training probability game has zero cost but a somewhat short amount of time and has a tendency towards perfection anyway I am not so much seeing it.
Likewise I am still not seeing the bred vs manipulated thing. Absolutely if they are manipulated beyond what is possible or if getting what is possible might still take far longer than the game has been out (something that does not really happen, or if it does then you are very much on the losing end of the probability scale anyway). Otherwise at best it just seems like you opted to downplay the battle game aspect.
I think your trying to compare the12 year old kids that have 6 shiny level 200 Arceus hacks with people that gen pokemon that are legal and have realistic stats for competitive aesthetics, People don't wanna spend months breading pokemon, when they can be battling instead. Cry all you want about being "real", but you probably can't or will tell the difference between "real" pokemon and "legal" pokemon.And getting perfect Pokemons legitimately is also a probability game of sorts against a selection of possible IV/trait combinations, more so than the odds involved in a single deck of cards.
Losing is always generally disappointing -- it does not need to be claimed as such. But if you knew that your hard-bred pokemon lost against a manipulated pokemon, dude that sucks big-time. That's just like losing Four Aces against a cheated Royal Flush, because the odds that you beat to get that hand just became irrelevant against a hand that never really had any odds in the first place. Just beating the odds in itself is awesome, but you are deprived of that, and that's what ultimately sucks.