Pirating vs. Purchasing

Discussion in 'General Off-Topic Chat' started by leiger, May 25, 2009.

  1. leiger

    leiger GBAtemp Regular

    May 25, 2009
    I posted this in another thread, then had it edited rather quickly by a moderator:
    I can see where they're coming from and happen to agree with them. Perhaps simply quoting the post and replying to it wasn't the best idea.

    So I'll post this here, as this seems to be the next best place to put a thread like this, even if it doesn't fit into the "emulation" category perfectly.
    Thoughts, opinions, discussion wanted and encouraged. My original post is below.

    It's pirates such as yourself that drive game developers into making half-assed sequels to their games.

    Actually pay for the game, and support those that make it.

    Possible response: But why would I bother paying such a huge amount of money for a good flash cart, if I'm still paying for my games?

    * Pay for what you enjoy playing --- Support the game developers
    * Extra games and apps --- Ability to play/use homebrew
    * Extra features --- Ability to use cheats, RTS, and other features that can't necessarily be done with retail carts
    * Convenience --- Ability to take your whole (legal) game collection with you on a single cart, instead of carrying all of them with you

    There's something else, but it slipped my mind when I was writing the other points. Will edit this if I remember.

    You may be thinking that if I have the money to spend on a flash cart and a whole heap of games, that's my choice. Yet the reality is I can afford very little. A game collection totalling 6 DS games and a few GBA games is sitting on my CycloDS cart, and that's more than enough. I'd rather pay for what I can afford, and miss out on the rest. People that pirate games just annoy me, because they have more of an effect on the market than they suspect.
  2. BlackNeedle

    BlackNeedle Advanced Member

    Apr 18, 2009
    Gambia, The
    Good points.
    But you missed out the "I-only-try-those-games-out"-argument. For me, that always sounded like a dull excuse, because if you follow the line most of those guys would actually never have enjoyed any game, because they never bought one. I actually only know of very few people who stated "I bought that game after I realized it's enjoyable while playing it off my flashcard.". Of course no offense meant, there ARE some of those honourable men.
    I completely agree to
    purchase game = more money for developers = better games
    But we still got one alternative left: abolish money, work out of social awareness- get friendly, people! [​IMG]
    [That was me joking, y'know?]
  3. Minox

    Minox I did it

    Aug 27, 2007
    I definitely would buy DS games if they weren't so god damn expensive, but as the pricing is set atm a completely new PC game is much cheaper than let's say a 3 year old DS game. There's something wrong with that logic.

    When it comes to PC games however I tend to buy most if not all games I find enjoyable/awesome.
  4. Heran Bago

    Heran Bago Where do puyo come from?

    Nov 6, 2005
    United States
    Foggy California
    What if you do both? Then you're hated or "doing it wrong" by both sides.

    I have discussed the legal ramifications in many threads here and it never sinks in...
    Based on legal precedent in the US, piracy isn't theft, but it's copyright infringement which is worse. I'm yet to hear a logical argument based on law that it is not.

    Honestly, are there any other law students or practitioners on this board?
  5. Whizz

    Whizz When things don't go right, go left.

    Nov 20, 2007
    Turn around...
    I definitely agree with you on that, DS games should be atleast half the price they are now. And they can be, look at budget titles and promotions at retail stores (Pokemon Diamond/Pearl was only €15 in a recent store promotion). I get pretty pissed when I spend €45 on a DS game I don't like when I can get atleast 4 PC games for the same amount. Nintendo should have lowered their prices when flashcards got cheaper than newly released DS games, no wonder people pirate. Afterall, we are in an economic crisis and people can use their money on other stuff.
  6. thunder7child

    thunder7child Newbie

    May 15, 2009
    I also agree that the prices on DS games (but on other games consoles as well) are way too high, especially compared to prices of pc games. Come on, DS games don't have such a high production budget to justify these prices. And i believe that that has also much to do with what companies have to pay to the consoles parent company (and i'm not only talking about nintendo) to get licences in order to release titles on these consoles. How is it possible for the same game to be 30-35$ cheaper on pc's compared to their brother console releases? And where does that money go?
    To be honest however, i think i would still be into piracy even if the prices did drop, simply because it's always going to be cheaper to do so. But i would have second thoughts if game developers gave me more incentives (collectors editions, better packagings, better online services or something else to make me buy their games instead of simply downloading them. An original is always going to be an original. And i see that now when i go every week searching for game cartridges on the original game boy just for the heck of it.
  7. Maz7006

    Maz7006 iSEXu

    Aug 2, 2008
    Couldn't agree any more

    YES. DS games are overpriced, i'd rather spend my money on something else more worth it

    and Nintendo complains about bad sales [​IMG]
  8. jesterscourt

    jesterscourt Not Brad.

    Jan 3, 2007
    United States
    Once everyone adopts a system like Steam (and no, WiiWare doesn't count) I think the piracy rate would be moot.
  9. Toni Plutonij

    Toni Plutonij *has TrolleyDave & tiny p1ngy on moderating shelf!

    Former Staff
    Dec 22, 2007
    Depths of Nuclear powerplant
    Yeah, come to Croatia, and spend $60 on one game.

    Stop being hypocrite and sharing your opinion on forum full of pirates..

    This thread still has no flames, but I'm guessing it will happen, and I'll keep an eye on it..

    This matter has been debated many many times, and it never ends well!

    This is more of a General Offtopic thread, then NDS - Emulation..


    EDIT:And just to point out, I agree that flashcarts should be more expensive, and not accessible to everyone!
  10. Guild McCommunist

    Guild McCommunist (not on boat)

    May 6, 2009
    United States
    The Danger Zone
    I really fail to see the relevance of this post. A good portion of this site is dedicated to info about flashcarts, emulators, roms (not downloads, of course). So, honestly, if you're trying to go on some white knight crusade to destory evil, you're at the wrong place. And welcome to the internet. A good portion of people who have half a brain about using the internet pirate things. That's life.
  11. UltraMagnus

    UltraMagnus hic sunt dracones

    Aug 2, 2007
    Honestly, how much of the money you pay for a game actually goes to the people that programmed it? I would be very surprised if more than 1% did, with the rest going to corporate fat cats and lawyers.

    not to mention, us pirates get games earlier, get games that don't come out in our region at all, and don't have to faff around with carrying dozens of easily losable little cartridges.
  12. omatic

    omatic GBAtemp Fan

    Apr 25, 2007
    United States
    United States
    Good point. Unless the developer is self-publishing, they have to split the income with the publisher. In addition, when bought at retail, the publisher and the retailer have to split income from a game sale (assuming there wasn't a distributor in the middle).

    In addition, if you buy a game used, or second-hand (such as on eBay or Amazon from user-made shops), the developer gets nothing. Re-sale of games is a much bigger detriment to game devs than piracy, as demonstrated by Gamestop recently announcing that they're making bundles of money off of used games (it was in their recent annual earnings summary).

    When the "legit" hardware allows me to not have to carry around 40 carts at a time, then I'll stop using the flashcart. Until then, I'm gonna keep my games nice and clean in their boxes and use my Cyclo.
  13. IchigoK2031

    IchigoK2031 Wannabe Shirow Miwa...

    Jul 1, 2008
    United States
    My Tablet
    I literally have like a bajillion ds boxes in my room, I've probably spent like 3-4 hundred on ds games but only on ones that were gud, if I try them out at all I use an emulator, then if they're good, go to gamestop and buy them, then I go home and download and play, the game might not ever be opened but its gud for the developers.
  14. Dio


    Dec 29, 2007
    United States
    Mount Vernon, WA
    I only buy PC games lol.
  15. Law

    Law rip ninjacat that zarcon made me

    Aug 14, 2007
    These threads should be locked the second they're made, not only have we had hundreds of them but they always end the same way. People trying to justify, people flaming nonsensically, and everybody thinking that what they believe is what everybody should believe.

    No they don't, and please just stop this nonsense because nobody really cares. This may be a gaming forum (which was originally a rom site), but we still have discussions on things such as flash carts, and because of this there will be pirates. Nobody cares what you think of them, don't complain about them here. If you want to talk about how piracy is wrong then go to GameFAQs, where all of the zealots will agree with you and you will have a huge fun party and a lot of cake.
  16. Vidboy10

    Vidboy10 Tsardom

    Dec 15, 2008
    Vancouver, B.C
    It depends on the game really.
    If its's something like GTA:CW than i wouldn't pirate it.
  17. Moots

    Moots The Incredible Sulk

    Sep 19, 2007
    Niagara Region, Ontario
    I'll throw down on this. From a pro pirating stand point.

    Why I pirate.

    -Game quality for all platforms has diminished significantly over the past 10 years.

    -Game Companies are putting out games that are practically unfinished (Next gen mostly) (Leaving game modes out until later, see fable, and Bad company I believe)

    -Game prices in no way shape or form represent a games quality. I refuse to pay 70 dollars on a game I play once and can't even stomach finishing.

    They are a pawn shop, and are having record year after record year of profits, and not one of those dollars go to game companies.

    Consider this aswell, even if I do buy a legit copy of a game. I'll go pick it up at EB used for half the price and the Dev still doesn't see a dollar of it.

    Gamestops last few financial years?

    Total sales for the full year increased 24.1% to $8.8 billion, in comparison to $7.1 billion in fiscal 2007. Comparable store sales increased +12.3% for the full year.

    In 1 year a 1.7 BILLION DOLLAR increase, most of it from the used game market. They are the biggets game retailer in the world because of it. Now like I said, not all of that is from used games, but I bet a majority of it is.

    So if you want to fight for the people who make games, so they can make more quality games (Which astill wouldn't happen if we stopped pirating) fight companies like GS or EB. They do more damage than piraters do.

    Just wait, what will be the big headline in the next couple years? Not about anti piracy I can tell you, but about the outrage that either a tax/charge will be applied to used game purchases, or an outrage that that charge cannot be implemented.

    Just wait. That and Canada will become extremely wealthy due to our large supply of fresh water.

    Note:I do buy certain games, especially of franchises I am a fan of (Ex CT, FF, NHL, etc)
  18. Cermage

    Cermage GBAtemp Advanced Maniac

    Dec 2, 2007
    you can't possibly have a decent reason for pirating anything. a try-before-you-buy reasoning okay if the publishers don't release a demo but then most of the time they release adequate in game videos and screenshots. if it has bad controls or the controls are just bad most reviews will cover it so you can expect bad controls.

    only reason you don't buy games is simply cause you dont want to pay for them. simple as that. there is no reinforcing the fact you dont want to spend money on games.

    then there is also the downside to everyone buying full marked retail game. a reasonable amount of sales is okay but if too much the dev's get a bit greedy and think that they can pass off half-assed sequels and still make a tonne of money. and which most of the time, they do.
  19. Takeshi

    Takeshi GBAtemp Addict

    Jun 1, 2004
    Yay, another discussion about piracy. [​IMG]

    Just so you know, I buy a lot of games but I would be pissed if there wasn't a way to pirate them too. Fun fact: In the last 5 months I bought 17 (!) XBox 360 games + several DS and GBx games.

    Strangely enough I paid about 200 EUR for each one of my 3 GBA flashcarts (64Mb, 256Mb and 512Mb) back in the days and I didn't even know anyone that had one (personally - of course GBAtemp was another case).
  20. Toni Plutonij

    Toni Plutonij *has TrolleyDave & tiny p1ngy on moderating shelf!

    Former Staff
    Dec 22, 2007
    Depths of Nuclear powerplant
    I remember paying for my EZ-Flash II Power Star 512Mb a bit more then 100 EUR, it would probably be even more if I hadn't buy it from a German shop..
    And as you say, they weren't so spread out..People now complaint over price of AK or DSTT, and that's only few bucks..