Paypal cracking down on flashcart stores

[Costello]

Moneybookers.com could be a good answer.

I made an order of $30 or so at ETcome. When I went to pay using my credit card, I found out that one could only pay using Visa and not Mastercard which is what I have. I am therefore unable to place an order with them. I still wish to buy my stuff from them but I am unable to do so. Sent them an email asking about it and it went unanswered.


Edit: also, fuck Paypal.

I am pretty sure that they *do* support Mastercard now, they've recently added more payment methods.
this is what they told me that they now support:

Visa and mastercard are the two most used types of cards worldwide

 

[Eerpow]

That sucks but don't most people have a debit card? Don't get me wrong, I love using paypal as much as the next guy, but if there is no other choice, paying with a debit card directly isn't so bad.

I do believe that most people have a bank card yes. Except underage kids.

I have a bank card but it can't be used online for most places, they do offer a service that creates virtual limited credit cards for online use.
The downside of that is that there are many sites who doesn't support them including the 3DS eShop.
Well looks like it's time for me to get Mastercard or Visa. Sad thing that fees are pretty expensive here.

 

[Bladexdsl]

A few alternatives to paypal.

digitalriver.com
2Checkout.com
AlertPay.com ** TRY THIS ONE **
TrialPay.com
E-junkie.com
checkout.google.com
bitcoin.org
moneybrokers.com ** not to be confused with moneyhookers.com, a completely different site **
paymate.com
obopay.com
payments.amazon.com
kagi.com
neteller.com
paypay.com
ccnow.com ** TRY THIS ONE **
libertyreserve.com
strictpay.com
perfectmoney.com
NETeller.com
EntroPay.com
Webmoney.com

as far as i know, most of those sites require you to be an american-based registered business to operate with them.
which is not the case of most flashcart stores...

2checkout and nearly all them sites will also shut you down if you have an illegal site (trust me i know) and most of them can't be trusted either

 

[mjax]

Moneybookers.com could be a good answer.

I made an order of $30 or so at ETcome. When I went to pay using my credit card, I found out that one could only pay using Visa and not Mastercard which is what I have. I am therefore unable to place an order with them. I still wish to buy my stuff from them but I am unable to do so. Sent them an email asking about it and it went unanswered.


Edit: also, fuck Paypal.

I am pretty sure that they *do* support Mastercard now, they've recently added more payment methods.
this is what they told me that they now support:

Visa and mastercard are the two most used types of cards worldwide

Nope, they *do* not. Try creating an order and it will only show Visa as payment method, when I select that and punch in the Mastercard, it says something like "Card not supported". The Mastercard picture on the website is wrong, sadly. Please see the picture in the spoiler for reference.

Spoiler

 

[shakirmoledina]

no wonder lulz hacked the guys. they seem to ignore the fact tht it is allowed in some countries or they cracking down based on their country's law? they seem to be taking advantage of their market position. i guess cc or dc is probably a good option for now.

PS - even shaun decided to post a sarcastic image.

You mean Costello?

This sucks. Hope my R4 and Supercards lasts

are they the same person...

 

[ZAFDeltaForce]

no wonder lulz hacked the guys. they seem to ignore the fact tht it is allowed in some countries or they cracking down based on their country's law? they seem to be taking advantage of their market position. i guess cc or dc is probably a good option for now.

PS - even shaun decided to post a sarcastic image.

You mean Costello?

This sucks. Hope my R4 and Supercards lasts

are they the same person...

I know shaunj66 and Costello are two separate accounts, and it is against the rules for anyone to have two accounts, so yeah I guess they're different people

I could be wrong and have lived the last 6 years in GBAtemp as a lie though

In any case, at least payment by debit card is possible. I don't mind the extra charges as long as I get my carts

 

[Costello]

@[member='mjax']: ah well thanks, they told me they were in the process of adding mastercard support, I assumed that was completed.
well if they only support Visa, thats going to be a bit tough to keep up

 

[Bladexdsl]

1 thing you can use and it's 100% reliable is western union money transfers. the fees are a bit steep though

www.westernunion.com

 

[Redhorse]

Just my experience I have been using Kickgaming for my cart needs for the past 4 years with awesome customer service. They accept Visa Mastercard, Amer Ex, as well as a few other net styled payment methods. They are Canada based and although not the cheapest, they are fast,shipping, high quality products and the most important of all integrity among online sales, No I don't work for them, just thought others would like to know those that can be trusted,,, in my own experience. I've seen thier lik around here somewhere but bought from them long before reading them here.

All my experience may be because they are not YET outlawed HERE but I can't answer to that possibility, I do expect it coming though.

BTW to the person that said ..."most everyone uses them for illegal purposes anyway..'... you are making a major assumption there aren't you? Where I am and more importantly for WHAT I am using it for it is not illegal. The same may be said for all those people I personally know, who live around me that use one.

........Though I am aware some people are using them incorrectly for thier purpose and local.

 

[Clydefrosch]

what happened to putting money in an envelope pp

or actually, do you remember when people came to your frontdoor to sell you something? those were the days...

 

[Bladexdsl]

what happened to putting money in an envelope pp

didn't you see that Simpsons episode when bart goes to the post office?

 

[FAST6191]

Interesting. Although I can not blame paypal entirely this does seem to be an end run around actually appearing in court and getting orders to stop either activities (see nonsense like the position of the US on online gambling) or sites (see most takedown orders) which is what I would expect and thus paypal get the extended middle finger.

As for credit cards I dislike them (indeed I do not have one despite the best efforts of my bank*) but do read up on their user agreement- they do actually have some fair protections/fraud compensation (although usually only up around the 50/5 pizzas/price of a new chart game before it kicks in) and more interestingly there are things like joint liability (company you purchased from gone bust or otherwise messing you around and you need to file a warranty claim- speak to your credit card company although numbers are similar if not a bit higher to the fraud stuff). Equally credit cards make it quite hard for small smalls to be transferred (you can do it but they most certainly do not make it a hassle free process for the store end).

As a rule of thumb debit cards might be slightly less secure in the sense that the fraud compensation they offer are not so hot but then again in the UK at least just about everyone from 11 upwards can get one.

Personally I solved the problem by opening a second account and using that for online stuff. Does quite well for stopping impulse buys as well whenever I float around tech gadget sites.

*for reference credit ratings outside the US are fairly meaningless unless you are actually applying for serious credit- some do but it might well be a cause to raise an eyebrow (certainly not standard practice) for new employers (even those that might require a criminal (crb) or enhanced crb) and landlords to do a proper credit check so "building a good credit rating" is not that important and also I can still pay for most things including utility bills and some aspects of tax in cash (see bank giro transfer).

"knock at your front door"..... portable payment options exist and I could well see the return of cash on delivery (maybe with an online deposit). Also I have finally seen companies offer mobile phone text/premium rate phone line payments which could be interesting.

 

[Just Another Gamer]

what happened to putting money in an envelope pp

or actually, do you remember when people came to your frontdoor to sell you something? those were the days...

Some of us still do that but its a little hard to do when your buying from China and the US.

 

[Absurd]

It's not just Nintendo who've been in touch with PayPal though. SONY have gotten PayPal to refuse payment for any infringement devices for their consoles too, namely True Blue dongles and their 'Special' BD discs and also the clone JB-King and JB2USB dongles. How long until Microsoft get in on the act with retailers who supply 'coolrunners' and all the various bits of kit required to run ISO's from external drives? This is the tip of the iceberg boys and girls...

In a world run by corporations, how can you expect anything but the corporations to win?

 

[Just Another Gamer]

I think getting stuff to hack the new consoles are going to be harder this time round, not because of the system but because i'm sure these companies will make it almost impossible to buy these things online, I sure hope mastercard and visa won't jump on the same train as paypal did.

 

[EyeZ]

There is a UK site that i use that will accept Visa and not Mastercard, but also will accept Paypal but if you want to use Paypal you have to contact them 1st.

So obviously they are using a work around.

 

[FAST6191]

Possibly Just Another Gamer but we already saw the start of this in various places where companies sell blank chips that are just CPLDs, FPGAs, PICs, some atmel gear or one of the many other programmable devices and maybe stuck on a slightly a custom board (it is a breakout board wouldn't you know) to interface it and get the end user to program them. Additional effort certainly but most of it gets reduced to plug this simple to make (or buy) wire into a port and press program.

Should that happen it will come to proving intent in which case someone like me does a bookmarks dump (all the following are totally legit and long standing electronics component supply companies- http://www.sparkfun.com/ http://www.element14.com/community/index.jspa http://www.jaycar.co.uk/ http://uk.mouser.com/Home.aspx http://www.rapidonline.com/ http://www.anglia.com/product_search/product_search/index.asp http://uk.farnell.com/ http://uk.rs-online.com/web/ http://www.digikey.co.uk/ http://uk.futureelectronics.com/en/Pages/index.aspx?OL=GB&Language=en-GB http://www.maplin.co.uk/ http://www.pamir.com/ http://www.jameco.com/webapp/wcs/stores/servlet/StoreCatalogDisplay?langId=-1&storeId=10001&catalogId=10001 ) and says search any one of those for given part number, maybe points you at a custom PCB fab house and you are away. Not quite the piss easy nature of flash carts and mod devices today but not beyond anybody capable of following a set of instructions.

 

[Thesolcity]

I'm too paranoid to give out my bank debit info. I'd advise prepaid debits for everyone since flashcart sites have been hacked before. I think one was hacked Christmas 2011 IIRC.

 

[The Catboy]

First paypal takes forever to sent money to my account, now they do this?!?
I actually liked all the sites they effected too!

 

[freaksloan]

I have never had an issue with Paypal, so I have nothing bad to say about them.

If I can't use Paypal, with my Citibank credit card, I can generate a one-time use unique number to make online purchases and it doesn't cost me anything.

Sorry, I am not giving out my actual credit card numbers to anybody online.