Parents of 'Adolf Hitler' Lose Custody of Newborn

[stinkoman]

Who would name their child after the man who is considered the very embodiment of evil in this time?

I mean, really, Adolf Hitler? Do they want the child to be ridiculed and beat up at school? Do they not want him to get a job?

The fact that they named another child "Aryan Nation" ought to answer that.

That's barely even a name.
It's a goddamn noun.

 

[romeoondaline]

Btw i like debates

1 out of 4, well that's a great statistic, isn't it? Guess we should just wait and see whether having Nazi parents can screw with your mind or not. You're incredibly naive...

1/4 would be a bad statistic, BUT this isn't a statistics, what i'm saying is that if you believe that these kids whom are going to have a VERY hard time growing up just because their parents were playing a sick joke with their names, are going to LOVE and embrace being a nazi (EVEN after they find out what their names truly stand for)...then there is something SERIOUSLY wrong.

And you completely avoided my last point, "from what you said "it's the pressure of the envioriment that spoils them." [into becoming a redneck/nazi], so you're saying these kids are going to become nazis because we are all as stupid and FOR hiltler as their parents are? because last time i checked an environment consist of MORE than just a mom and a dad."

And we don't know anything about these pathetic parents, but it seems that so far they are just "the New Jersey parents of three children with Nazi-inspired names", (which sounds like they are seriously mentally ill) but we can't just go on with making assumptions, we don't really know what's in their heads

I see nothing wrong here. Be a douche to the world and world will be a douche back.

I am 100% with you, what goes around comes around. The only thing im defending is the fact the kids got taken away because of some sick joke that their parents played with their name. IF there was some proof of these parents being physiologically ill, THAT would make perfect sense for the kids to be taken away. I mean that's like someone having a baby and naming it Sudam Hussien or Osama Binladen or Mohammad and having it being taken away. What i'm trying to say is we all make mistakes and maybe these parents going to look back at this and see how stupid they were or maybe they are finding that out now, but you just cant separate a parent from a child with no cause or proof.

 

[Blood Fetish]

How I wish the world was so black and white for me. Everything would be so simple.

For those of you condoning the removal of their children due to their names: Who gets to decide what names are illegal?
For those of you condoning the removal of their children due to the parents' beliefs: Who gets to decide what beliefs are illegal?

There are strong arguments against parents who raise their children in a religious household. Should Christianity be outlawed?

 

[Magmorph]

“Occasionally, the little boy would come over here and would hate having to go back to his house.”

This seems like a terribly poor argument for removing the children from their parents custody.

 

[Foxi4]

“Occasionally, the little boy would come over here and would hate having to go back to his house.”

This seems like a terribly poor argument for removing the children from their parents custody.

Good enough for limited surveilance though, that and the names. ;P

 

[alphamule]

How I wish the world was so black and white for me. Everything would be so simple.

For those of you condoning the removal of their children due to their names: Who gets to decide what names are illegal?
For those of you condoning the removal of their children due to the parents' beliefs: Who gets to decide what beliefs are illegal?

There are strong arguments against parents who raise their children in a religious household. Should Christianity be outlawed?

Wow, it's the first time I've seen a reverse version of Godwin's law... The discussion ends when the topic moves away from Nazis. And yes, the parents are more than a little dense.

Edit: Meant as reply to that.

 

[s4mid4re]

How I wish the world was so black and white for me. Everything would be so simple. I take it you're pro-Nazism...

For those of you condoning the removal of their children due to their names: Who gets to decide what names are illegal? The state and the DYFS does.
For those of you condoning the removal of their children due to the parents' beliefs: Who gets to decide what beliefs are illegal? The state and the DYFS does.
There are strong arguments against parents who raise their children in a religious household. Should Christianity be outlawed? If the government says so.

Yes I know, this is how America is. ;o;

 

[Blood Fetish]

Wow, it's the first time I've seen a reverse version of Godwin's law... The discussion ends when the topic moves away from Nazis. And yes, the parents are more than a little dense.

Edit: Meant as reply to that.

So are you in favor of IQ tests for parents or their children are taken away?

 

[Foxi4]

How I wish the world was so black and white for me. Everything would be so simple. I take it you're pro-Nazism...

For those of you condoning the removal of their children due to their names: Who gets to decide what names are illegal? The state and the DYFS does.
For those of you condoning the removal of their children due to the parents' beliefs: Who gets to decide what beliefs are illegal? The state and the DYFS does.
There are strong arguments against parents who raise their children in a religious household. Should Christianity be outlawed? If the government says so.

Yes I know, this is how America is. ;o;

Minus the Nazism part, I agree.

There are certain society standards that you have to agree with if you want to become a part of it and you can't expect the rest of the world to accept that you name your child after Holocaust All-Stars because "you feel like it".

So are you in favor of IQ tests for parents or their children are taken away?

IQ has nothing to do with this. Hitler was actually quite an intelligent fellow, that doesn't make him a good role model.

 

[alphamule]

Funny, I don't remember signing up to be a US citizen when I was born.

 

[Foxi4]

Funny, I don't remember signing up to be a US citizen when I was born.

Revoke your citizenship and leave then. You have the option.

 

[Tom Bombadildo]

Off topic but I'm just gonna say it. Adolf Hitler was a hell of a leader. Nobody can deny that. He was an amazing speaker and knew what the hell he was doing. Sure he was doing really shitty things, but god damn did he do them well.

Now I don't support the Nazi party in any way, I'm just saying that he's the public speaking shit.

On topic. Why should anyone care? I'll name my kid GBATemp, does that mean some sort of other hacking community has the right to report it to the police and take my kid away because of a name? Nope. Sure, Adolf Hitler is a terrible name for a child but honestly does it matter?

 

[Blood Fetish]

Minus the Nazism part, I agree.

There are certain society standards that you have to agree with if you want to become a part of it and you can't expect the rest of the world to accept that you name your child after Holocaust All-Stars because "you feel like it".

One of those standards is free speech (this took place in America).

Several studies have shown that resumes with names such as "Laquisha" and "DeJordan" are rejected by HR more often. Parents who give their children names such as these are objectively and measurably limiting their children in society. Should those children be taken from their parents as well?

 

[Foxi4]

Off topic but I'm just gonna say it. Adolf Hitler was a hell of a leader. Nobody can deny that. He was an amazing speaker and knew what the hell he was doing. Sure he was doing really shitty things, but god damn did he do them well.

Now I don't support the Nazi party in any way, I'm just saying that he's the public speaking shit.

On topic. Why should anyone care? I'll name my kid GBATemp, does that mean some sort of other hacking community has the right to report it to the police and take my kid away because of a name? Nope. Sure, Adolf Hitler is a terrible name for a child but honestly does it matter?

We are not concerned by the name itself, we are converned that parents who give such a name to the child may be "bad parents" for it and perhaps it'd be in the child's interest to have its situation monitored and remove said child if the parents prove to be non-suitable for it.

One of those standards is free speech (this took place in America).

Free Speech != Saying whatever you like

Check the actual definition.

 

[s4mid4re]

Off topic but I'm just gonna say it. Adolf Hitler was a hell of a leader. Nobody can deny that. He was an amazing speaker and knew what the hell he was doing. Sure he was doing really shitty things, but god damn did he do them well.

Now I don't support the Nazi party in any way, I'm just saying that he's the public speaking shit.

On topic. Why should anyone care? I'll name my kid GBATemp, does that mean some sort of other hacking community has the right to report it to the police and take my kid away because of a name? Nope. Sure, Adolf Hitler is a terrible name for a child but honestly does it matter?

It does matter. Do you think somebody named Adolf Hitler would go through school without getting bullied? Would somebody hire him? Nope.

Welcome to America ;O;

 

[alphamule]

Still, no babies volunteer... It's natural for us to become (and stay) citizens because of culture, though.

 

[Canonbeat234]

I don't see what's wrong with the parents, they obviously have a mental complexity where they feel their children should be named after WWII criminals. Sadly the parents didn't suspect such an uproar from their state and media, so sad.

 

[Foxi4]

Still, no babies volunteer... It's natural for us to become (and stay) citizens because of culture, though.

In the world there are two general rules of obtaining citizenship. One is the Right of Blood (Jus Sanguinis) - the child inherits citizenship from his parent/s (varies between countries). The other is the Right of Soil (Jus Soli) - the child becomes a citizen of the country it was born in.

In case of the U.S, both Rights are in motion, more or less, HOWEVER! Once you become mature, you may forfeit your citizenship in favour of another if you do not wish to conform to the laws of the U.S and wish to move out. Moreover, the U.S government may even REVOKE your citizenship if you fail to confrom via the process of Denaturalization, forcing you to move or to take a citizenship test.

From what I noticed though, nobody "likes the rules" but "nobody wants to leave" either. You can't have the best of two worlds - either you are an American and follow the State laws that bind you (even if you wish to change them - that's a matter for a different discussion entirely) or you don't and you leave - simple?

 

[Blood Fetish]

either you are an American and follow the American law (even if you wish to change it - that's a matter for a different discussion entirely) or you don't and you leave - simple?

It's all so simple, isn't it? You either stay in America and shut up, or you leave.

Or that other option that you mention about trying to change the laws. You could do that too, but then it isn't so simple anymore so we'll ignore it. After all, no one in any country, especially America, has helped to change a law.

We should also overlook the extremely expensive and time-consuming process of legal migration to another country. You do not simply buy a pass on your local greyhound to move from America to Europe.

 

[Foxi4]

either you are an American and follow the American law (even if you wish to change it - that's a matter for a different discussion entirely) or you don't and you leave - simple?

It's all so simple, isn't it? You either stay in America and shut up, or you leave.

Or that other option that you mention about trying to change the laws. You could do that too, but then it isn't so simple anymore so we'll ignore it. After all, no one in any country, especially America, has helped to change a law.

We should also overlook the extremely expensive and time-consuming process of legal migration to another country. You do not simply buy a pass on your local greyhound to move from America to Europe.

Denaturalization is quite simple. Due to Right of Blood, you may actually request a Citizenship of a different country entirely, simply because it was "passed to you" by your ancestors without you knowing, State Administration is likely to contact a given Embassy in that case. I'm no specialist on the details of State Laws, so I am not quite sure how many generations are checked, it may vary from state to state.

If you believe that the State Law does not represent your civil buisness approprietly, you can always vote for a different party that represents them better. In fact, you can even e-mail your local representatives and ask them to adress your concerns. You HAVE to abide the law, but you can work towards changing it - those issues are mutually exclusive.

You can also move from State to State if another State's Law represents your ideals better.