Overrated rpgs

[connor_walsh]

POKE'MON HG/SS

if you can call it an rpg

well im awaiting all the poke fans

 

[Rydian]

POKE'MON HG/SS

if you can call it an rpg

You take the role of a character, go around exploring cities/towns and interacting with NPCs, have variable party members you use in a turn-based battle system with such concepts as stats, hp, critical hits, elemental affinities, and status effects... you earn money from fights, which you use to spend on items such as hp and status recovery items, special equipment, and other tools which you can use both in and out of battle... as you go along in the story you gain alternate methods of transportation...

What am I describing, a mainstream pokemon or a meainstream final fantasy game?

Both.

Learn the concepts you wish to talk about before you attempt to talk about them.

 

[Hells Malice]

OP needs to learn that spaces after punctuation stop posts from looking like shit.

Second most overrated is pokemon. It's claimed to be so incredibly good and it's just...not. It has a very simple battle system, still. So much else is wrong with it, but it's all been said hundreds of times before.

Second most is Final Fantasy. People crap themselves over the damn series and only a small handful of the game, or parts of games are good. The only final fantasy game with a truly strong story and character development was Crisis Core, and it was only a PSP game. In fact, the funnest FF games aren't usually the 'main' final fantasies. I find Dirge of Cerberus, Crisis Core, and Dissidia much funner then the main titles. The stories in all but Crisis Core are pretty bad, with only a handful of good characters between every game.

and of course, biggest most overrated RPG ever....World of Warcraft.
The game is very well built, and done.
However it casuals out on every possible thing that could be considered more 'hardcore'.
I sought to play a casual MMO and decided to land myself on WoW. The more I play it, the more I realize how casual-based it really is.
The worst part of WoW though, is the fanbase. There is NOTHING wrong with WoW being a casual game, but people need to realize it's casual. You aren't a hardcore MMO gamer for playing it, you aren't even considered good if you do well in WoW.
As much as people refuse to admit it, the new gearscore system might as well be called "skill score" because the better your gearscore, the better you are at WoW.

/endrant

 

[elixirdream]

i am going for black sigil!
before the game was out lots of talk and hype about the game
some even say it will be the best ever RPG on DS and blah blah blah

when the game is out... no one bothers to talk about it anymore

 

[mrfatso]

more like i still cant find that game and shove it to griffin's face.

Well, at the moment i am still stuck, i cant find where am i supposed to go at the moment

As for overrated rpg...

To me, "the world ends with you" is one of them.

Sure, the game is innovative, but to me, that's it.

The game isnt that fun, the story isnt that deep. All in all, it's a pretty average game. But to tempers here, it's the greatest thing since sliced bread.

Controls are a tad screwy as well, especially if you have 2 pins that work similar, for example, i have a pin that activate when i slash horizontally and another that slash vertically. Often when i try slash horizontally, the vertical pin will activate.

 

[elixirdream]

more like i still cant find that game and shove it to griffin's face.

Well, at the moment i am still stuck, i cant find where am i supposed to go at the moment

As for overrated rpg...

To me, "the world ends with you" is one of them.

Sure, the game is innovative, but to me, that's it.

The game isnt that fun, the story isnt that deep. All in all, it's a pretty average game. But to tempers here, it's the greatest thing since sliced bread.

Controls are a tad screwy as well, especially if you have 2 pins that work similar, for example, i have a pin that activate when i slash horizontally and another that slash vertically. Often when i try slash horizontally, the vertical pin will activate.

as long it is a SE game
some people will just awe and drool all over it
even though it is a shitty game

too bad i have never play this game
therefore, i can't comment

 

[choconado]

well, I tried it once, and thought "wow, this game is an overcomplicated piece of crap!" There's no way in hell I'll be able to keep up with all of that multi-screen/multi-control interfaces, and the fact that the game is actively trying to dissuade me from being interested in it, despite a possibly intriguing story says alot too.

 

[67birdman]

Your right! FF is so overratedd..

 

[Gvaz]

OP needs to learn that spaces after punctuation stop posts from looking like shit.

Second most overrated is pokemon. It's claimed to be so incredibly good and it's just...not. It has a very simple battle system, still. So much else is wrong with it, but it's all been said hundreds of times before.

Second most is Final Fantasy. People crap themselves over the damn series and only a small handful of the game, or parts of games are good. The only final fantasy game with a truly strong story and character development was Crisis Core, and it was only a PSP game. In fact, the funnest FF games aren't usually the 'main' final fantasies. I find Dirge of Cerberus, Crisis Core, and Dissidia much funner then the main titles. The stories in all but Crisis Core are pretty bad, with only a handful of good characters between every game.

and of course, biggest most overrated RPG ever....World of Warcraft.
The game is very well built, and done.
However it casuals out on every possible thing that could be considered more 'hardcore'.
I sought to play a casual MMO and decided to land myself on WoW. The more I play it, the more I realize how casual-based it really is.
The worst part of WoW though, is the fanbase. There is NOTHING wrong with WoW being a casual game, but people need to realize it's casual. You aren't a hardcore MMO gamer for playing it, you aren't even considered good if you do well in WoW.
As much as people refuse to admit it, the new gearscore system might as well be called "skill score" because the better your gearscore, the better you are at WoW.

/endrant

Crisis Core's combat sucked balls.

having good gear (in wow or any other mmo) doesn't make you good.

 

[naglaro00]

Your right! FFVII is so overratedd..

Fixed.

 

[thaddius]

I'm glad I'm not the only one who thinks ff games are overrated.

 

[ojsinnerz.]

I can't comprehend people who actually think the story in Crisis core was anything but garbage.


The fans eat it all up, and when I played it, I forced myself to play the piece of shit. The combat was ass, the story was shit, characters are pretty bad (Except Angeal), and the only things good about the damn game was the music and the graphics.

 

[Scott-105]

I can't comprehend people who actually think the story in Crisis core was anything but garbage.


The fans eat it all up, and when I played it, I forced myself to play the piece of shit. The combat was ass, the story was shit, characters are pretty bad (Except Angeal), and the only things good about the damn game was the music and the graphics.

I disagree. I LOVED the story. Zach was a great character. The combat was a little different but it was fun. When I got into it I didn't put my PSP down until I finished that game.

 

[ojsinnerz.]

I can't comprehend people who actually think the story in Crisis core was anything but garbage.


The fans eat it all up, and when I played it, I forced myself to play the piece of shit. The combat was ass, the story was shit, characters are pretty bad (Except Angeal), and the only things good about the damn game was the music and the graphics.

I disagree. I LOVED the story. Zach was a great character. The combat was a little different but it was fun. When I got into it I didn't put my PSP down until I finished that game.

Genesis and his clones, poor dialogue throughout, ridiculous story that seems to be going everywhere without good story telling, Idon'twanttohearanymoreofthatgoddamnpoemanddiealready, Sephiroth's betrayal scene that made me laugh pretty hard, Hojo was just... mindblowing (I think that was his name? It's been a while since i beat the game.) The combat was fun at first, but it was another typical Mash X to win. Got boring real quick. It has no depth. It's shallow as a kiddy pool.

Ok, if the combat was even fun throughout the game, it would be nice. But after a few hours in, the entire game felt like a chore, not fun. The leveling system was an ass, since you level up RANDOMLY. It made no sense.


How is Zach a great character?. Explain. He almost felt like a typical jrpg hero who looks up to someone else. While Angeal was a pretty good as the mentor type.


And only 10 hours in, the game was over.

 

[blueskies]

I can't comprehend people who actually think the story in Crisis core was anything but garbage.


The fans eat it all up, and when I played it, I forced myself to play the piece of shit. The combat was ass, the story was shit, characters are pretty bad (Except Angeal), and the only things good about the damn game was the music and the graphics.

same. I did not enjoy playing through, it got extremely boring and the story was.. meh. I forced myself to finish it because I felt like I had to, being so recommended and all. oh well...

 

[Hells Malice]

OP needs to learn that spaces after punctuation stop posts from looking like shit.

Second most overrated is pokemon. It's claimed to be so incredibly good and it's just...not. It has a very simple battle system, still. So much else is wrong with it, but it's all been said hundreds of times before.

Second most is Final Fantasy. People crap themselves over the damn series and only a small handful of the game, or parts of games are good. The only final fantasy game with a truly strong story and character development was Crisis Core, and it was only a PSP game. In fact, the funnest FF games aren't usually the 'main' final fantasies. I find Dirge of Cerberus, Crisis Core, and Dissidia much funner then the main titles. The stories in all but Crisis Core are pretty bad, with only a handful of good characters between every game.

and of course, biggest most overrated RPG ever....World of Warcraft.
The game is very well built, and done.
However it casuals out on every possible thing that could be considered more 'hardcore'.
I sought to play a casual MMO and decided to land myself on WoW. The more I play it, the more I realize how casual-based it really is.
The worst part of WoW though, is the fanbase. There is NOTHING wrong with WoW being a casual game, but people need to realize it's casual. You aren't a hardcore MMO gamer for playing it, you aren't even considered good if you do well in WoW.
As much as people refuse to admit it, the new gearscore system might as well be called "skill score" because the better your gearscore, the better you are at WoW.

/endrant

Crisis Core's combat sucked balls.

having good gear (in wow or any other mmo) doesn't make you good.

The combat in every FF game sucks balls...moron.
Anyone could tell me that. It's better then the turn based crap at least.
But I said Crisis Core had a good story, which is one of the very few FF games to do so.
Sorry that my post made you look like a moron.

and yes, if you play WoW...gear makes you good. A lot of MMO's (used to) encourage skill = skill. But WoW encourages gear = skill.
No matter how good you are, if someone has gear that is 10% better then yours...you're fucked.
Try to play the game before you defend it. MMO's used to have a good mix of player skill+ gear, but those days are dying fast thanks to games trying desperately to clone WoW and steal its massive fanbase (which is moronic, but happens).
WoW is not, and will never be, considered a PvP MMO. It's a social MMO, where you can raid with your guild buddies to get the best gear, then screw around with your buddies doing shit like raids, or killing newbs. It puts very little emphasis on skill-based PvP. Top tier WoW pvp is just a bunch of morons in the best gear spamming skills in a set order, or spamming macro'd skills. People always see this massive amount of shit on a "pro" WoW players screen and think, hot damn...that must take skill! But it doesn't. It literally takes a day or two to figure out and remember huge amounts of hotkeys and macros if you set them up right. (my memory is shit and I can)
That's ok though, you're obviously not a MMO gamer, and you're especially not a PvP MMO gamer if you think every MMO requires skill, especially if you include WoW to take skill.
MMO's SHOULD all take skill, but not all do. Casual gamers made sure of that.

 

[ojsinnerz.]

The combat in every FF game sucks balls...moron.
But I said Crisis Core had a good story, which is one of the very few FF games to do so.

Yeeeeeaaaaah.


Riiiiight.




These kinds of garbage pass as, "good story"? No wonder this gen of JRPGs have been so terrible!

 

[JBW]

OP needs to learn that spaces after punctuation stop posts from looking like shit.

Second most overrated is pokemon. It's claimed to be so incredibly good and it's just...not. It has a very simple battle system, still. So much else is wrong with it, but it's all been said hundreds of times before.

Second most is Final Fantasy. People crap themselves over the damn series and only a small handful of the game, or parts of games are good. The only final fantasy game with a truly strong story and character development was Crisis Core, and it was only a PSP game. In fact, the funnest FF games aren't usually the 'main' final fantasies. I find Dirge of Cerberus, Crisis Core, and Dissidia much funner then the main titles. The stories in all but Crisis Core are pretty bad, with only a handful of good characters between every game.

and of course, biggest most overrated RPG ever....World of Warcraft.
The game is very well built, and done.
However it casuals out on every possible thing that could be considered more 'hardcore'.
I sought to play a casual MMO and decided to land myself on WoW. The more I play it, the more I realize how casual-based it really is.
The worst part of WoW though, is the fanbase. There is NOTHING wrong with WoW being a casual game, but people need to realize it's casual. You aren't a hardcore MMO gamer for playing it, you aren't even considered good if you do well in WoW.
As much as people refuse to admit it, the new gearscore system might as well be called "skill score" because the better your gearscore, the better you are at WoW.

/endrant

Crisis Core's combat sucked balls.

having good gear (in wow or any other mmo) doesn't make you good.

The combat in every FF game sucks balls...moron.
Anyone could tell me that. It's better then the turn based crap at least.
But I said Crisis Core had a good story, which is one of the very few FF games to do so.
Sorry that my post made you look like a moron.

and yes, if you play WoW...gear makes you good. A lot of MMO's (used to) encourage skill = skill. But WoW encourages gear = skill.
No matter how good you are, if someone has gear that is 10% better then yours...you're fucked.
Try to play the game before you defend it. MMO's used to have a good mix of player skill+ gear, but those days are dying fast thanks to games trying desperately to clone WoW and steal its massive fanbase (which is moronic, but happens).
WoW is not, and will never be, considered a PvP MMO. It's a social MMO, where you can raid with your guild buddies to get the best gear, then screw around with your buddies doing shit like raids, or killing newbs. It puts very little emphasis on skill-based PvP. Top tier WoW pvp is just a bunch of morons in the best gear spamming skills in a set order, or spamming macro'd skills. People always see this massive amount of shit on a "pro" WoW players screen and think, hot damn...that must take skill! But it doesn't. It literally takes a day or two to figure out and remember huge amounts of hotkeys and macros if you set them up right. (my memory is shit and I can)
That's ok though, you're obviously not a MMO gamer, and you're especially not a PvP MMO gamer if you think every MMO requires skill, especially if you include WoW to take skill.
MMO's SHOULD all take skill, but not all do. Casual gamers made sure of that.

I agree totally, pokemon is alright but ultimately its a simple rpg with cute characters, FF is mainly crap and WoW. I have a whole three paragraph rant about WoW but Ive got to go to school soon so ill have to go.

 

[Shinintendo]

Everyone forgot Golden Sun. shame on you >.< j/k

 

[Fel]

Everyone forgot Golden Sun. shame on you >.< j/k

GS is awesome, it's the most brilliant game I have ever played together with FF8. And if you don't like it, it's your opinion, but it necessarily doesn't mean it's true. There are a lot of GS fans, but they're usually true fans, meaning that they've actually played the game, and are usually RPG gamers who know the genre well, so it's not just some hype from peoplel unknown to the genre. It all depends on what you are looking for in the game, and to us, if I can speak up for people who love GS, the game is one of the best/ or the best/ game because of how it looks, plays, because of the battle system, remarkable music and most of all, the wonderful story.

But, the point is, that whether a game is great or not so good is up to the person playing it, because what may appeal to one person may to other, likewise a child might enjoy something an adult wouldn't. For example, now people see how FF series have things which are repeated in every series and say a lot of mean things about it, however many people who pick up FF for the first time (given it was one with the storyline which would appeal to them, eg. not FF7 if they don't like "emoish" things, if it can be described like that, but instead for example FF9 and so on) thought it was really great, and only when they have played or seen more of the series they begins to notice the similarities and may come to despise them.

And worst of it all, if you look at the first three pages where Porygonal goes on about how he loves Vagrant Story and Chrono Trigger is not so good, he always just throws vague terms at others, like "unique,fun gameplay,(not your typical FF clone snooze fest)". I mean, c'mon! Be specific, as it can be said that the majority of RPGs are "clones of each other" because they all have more or less things which are in other games. Every RPG has something that was seen in other RPG, and what really makes an RPG unique and great to play is how much it is fun (like the Swiss guy said). Fun is made up by how you personally view the game, but usually a great story or truly interesting/innovative mechanics are what can make you play the game and think it's fun, even though it may be lacking in other aspects.

Mrfatso: Sub-control. That's the reason for your failure with the battle commands, because in order to prevent the various commands with the same movements to interfere each other, you assign by the L or R button sub control to pins in the pin menu -> the pins you wear in battle. This means that the pin will only activate when you do the command and hold R/L, so if you have two vertical slashes pins, you assign one as a "sub", and then when you press L/R, you will see only subpins in normal colour and the others greyed out, so once you do vertical slash only the subpin will active.

Also, I don't think it's overrated, because whether or not the story is truly deep depends on your own definition of "deep", because many people think the game has a deep story -> throughout the game you constantly think what is going on, what does that and that mean and there's more to it than being just a mere Shinigami game. It's full of emotion and character growth, and it's a good animeish story. And the setting is truly unique, because how many games are set in their contemporary world - meaning not past, but really the here-and-now? Not that many, right now I can think up only GTA/various racing games, but not really an RPG - except for Shin Megami Tensei, Earthbound/Mother and maybe Shenmue, but that one is 13 years from the date when the game was produced. And not many games have various clothes and fashionable items as armor, especially because not that many games are set in the contemporary world. Earthbound is one of the few games that does feature that, but TWEWY is so unique in that even each piece of equipment has a special ability, which you either know from the start or unlock by "befriending" the shopkeepers. And how many games have shopkeepers who warm up to you and what they say change by how much they like you? Disgea is one of the few, but as I haven't played it much I only know they have shop lvls, but I don't think what they say changes.
And the fashion brands are entirely unique to this game unless I'm mistaken, and it's really nice how the fashion changes when by what you wear and it gives you bonuses in battles, besides it's really nice to have actual brand shops and clothes with "personality", because they all fit into the brand's feel. And the music? Not everyone may like it, but again, few games have this type of ...music genre. Which changes depending in which part of the game you are (not to spoil anything).