Opinions re: ANTIFA?

[SG854]

Again America isn't comprised of ONLY Europeans, the times have changed whether you like it or not and people of other ethnicities have lived here for a very long time and will continue living for a very long time here. And also you're blowing everything out of proportion because I sense you have some huge unnecessary paranoia, like, no ones gonna do a Trail of Tears for white people, that's just not even realistic and kinda absurd to think that.

White Galley Slaves. Captured by Barbary Pirates and taken to North Africa. Many Whites died on slave ships while being transported to Africa. Then taken to slave markets to be sold at auction. Male Slaves were used in hard manual labor. Women were used for housework and sexual servitude. Even worse slaves were assigned to oars of galleys. They were shackled and they had to eat, sleep, defecate and urine where they were chained. And were whipped if they didn't work hard enough. Whites also had their mistreatment and share of slavery. Every race did. White Americans and Europeans were being captured during Black slavery in America.

Slavery itself was never based on racism. Many people would enslave their own for most of history. It wasn't until the advancement of technology that they were able to transport slaves from one continent to another. Racism came after. Whites were still being enslaved in other parts of the world years after after Blacks were freed in America with the Civil War and the 13th Amendment.

 

[PanTheFaun]

and this is why i laughed when that guy ran over 30 people at that rally in the carolinas a few years ago. people need to get out of the street or get run over in hopefully brutal gore spilling fashion

They really shouldn't be disturbing innocent people for their protests.

 

[Attacker3]

Socialist influences or inclinations right now, and we have too many authoritarian influences and inclinations.

I agree with the second part, but you forget that socialist is quite authoritarian too. You're telling people that they are not entitled to the fruits of their labour, and instead the government will take some of your fruit and give you something that you might not even want.

After all, we've just jumped from one source of cheap labor to the next since then, and it's still happening today with our clothing and our electronics.

See, the countries where this happens are dirt fucking poor, and in order for them to actually increase their wealth, they have to work and create capital. Capitalism is a wealth creator, and as long as there's no outside influences messing with it, a nation will get more wealthy. The example I like to give is in Europe with children of farmers. They did not go to school, they helped their parents work the land in order to get food on the table. But then, all of a sudden, the industrial revolution reared it's beautiful head, and thus the child went to work in the factory. But then, something happened. Because of the wealth that was being created by rampant capitalism, it wasn't very valuable for a child to be working at a factory when they could employ educated workers instead of dumb children. So it made for sense for children to invest their time into school in order to get into one of these jobs.

The "moral" of the story is that a lot of times people work out of neccesity in these poor countries, and if you tried to institute some measure to prevent companies from paying them so little, they'd either stop making things altogether, or fire a lot of people, and that's going to end up with a lot families dead from starvation. Let capitalism do it's thing, and you'll see the benefits.

 

[gameboy]

They really shouldn't be disturbing innocent people for their protests.

they shouldnt be standing in the middle street

 

[PanTheFaun]

they shouldnt be standing in the middle street

Haha that too.

 

[kumikochan]

they shouldnt be standing in the middle street

I don't know why i'm laughing because of that lol probably because it sounds a bit like darkish humor

 

[PanTheFaun]

I don't know why i'm laughing because of that lol probably because it sounds a bit like darkish humor

They wouldn't get hit if they weren't intentionally blocking others from passing on the street. They should learn from their mistakes and get the hell out of street.

 

[SG854]

The fact that we're turning into a third-world country has nothing to do with immigration. We elect greedy corporatist oligarch-like figures and then act surprised when workers get treated like shit from both corporations and the government. We simply don't have enough Socialist influences or inclinations right now, and we have too many authoritarian influences and inclinations.

We are not turning into a 3rd world country, we are are actually getting richer. There is great income mobility in America.

Nordic Countries became wealthy through free market competition capitalism, before welfare programs were ever introduced. Socialist Welfare programs actually stunted their economic growth, so they are moving away from it. They fund their generous welfare by heavily taxing the middle class and poor, while give benefits to the rich. Thats how they make it work. They know if they tax the rich too much they will leave the country, and their economy will fail.

 

[gameboy]

They wouldn't get hit if they weren't intentionally blocking others from passing on the street. They should learn from their mistakes and get the hell out of street.

exactly, andif youve ever driven throug one of these things there are no warning signs or police to patrol, you drive and then theres a mob of peoplepeople. Idiots ran a protest near the freeway one time and it was almost a disaster many times over

 

[PanTheFaun]

We are not turning into a 3rd world country, we are are actually getting richer. There is great income mobility in America.

Nordic Countries became wealthy through free market competition capitalism, before welfare programs were ever introduced. Socialist Welfare programs actually stunted their economic growth, so they are moving away from it. They fund their generous welfare by heavily taxing the middle class and poor, while give benefits to the rich. Thats how they make it work. They know if they tax the rich to much they will leave the country, and their economy will fail.

Maybe the 1% are getting richer but not the American middle class. No way. Nope.

 

[Xzi]

I agree with the second part, but you forget that socialist is quite authoritarian too. You're telling people that they are not entitled to the fruits of their labour, and instead the government will take some of your fruit and give you something that you might not even want.

We already have taxes taken from every check, and we've already got Socialism-inspired programs in place, such as social security, medicare/medicade, welfare, etc. What I mean by "Socialist influences" more than anything is respecting our workers and paying them fair wages based on the value that their labor produces. We're one of the richest nations on Earth, but you definitely wouldn't know it based on observing how your average middle or lower class citizen lives.

The "moral" of the story is that a lot of times people work out of neccesity in these poor countries, and if you tried to institute some measure to prevent companies from paying them so little, they'd either stop making things altogether, or fire a lot of people, and that's going to end up with a lot families dead from starvation. Let capitalism do it's thing, and you'll see the benefits.

I mean, a lot of people die while working for slave wages too. Just as often from suicide as starvation. If a corporation is going to exploit a certain population, they should have to pay them a living wage for the region from the start. Even if that would be lower than the American minimum wage in many cases, it'd still be better than $0.05 an hour or whatever.

 

[kumikochan]

We are not turning into a 3rd world country, we are are actually getting richer. There is great income mobility in America.

Nordic Countries became wealthy through free market competition capitalism, before welfare programs were ever introduced. Socialist Welfare programs actually stunted their economic growth, so they are moving away from it. They fund their generous welfare by heavily taxing the middle class and poor, while give benefits to the rich. Thats how they make it work. They know if they tax the rich to much they will leave the country, and their economy will fail.

Ur not becoming richer. You used to be but now other nations are taking that spot like China, Europe and so forth. If you would become richer then the dollar wouldn't haven sunken so low compared to the Euro. European union has all these social benefits while still supporting the richest countries in the world.

 

[PanTheFaun]

Ur not becoming richer. You used to be but now other nations are taking that spot like China, Europe and so forth. If you would become richer then the dollar wouldn't haven sunken so low compared to the Euro

Tis a real tragedy. :c

 

[SG854]

Maybe the 1% are getting richer but not the American middle class. No way. Nope.

The middle class is getting richer. Middle Class is shrinking because they are moving up into the upper class. More people are in the upper class then were 40 years ago. When you have more people in the upper class and less on the bottom it will create a growing gap between the rich and the poor.

https://thefederalistpapers.org/eco...is-shrinking-and-heres-why-thats-a-good-thing

 

[PanTheFaun]

The middle class is getting richer. Middle Class is shrinking because they are moving up into the upper class. More people are in the upper class then were 40 years ago. When you have more people in the upper class and less on the bottom it will create a growing gap between the rich and the poor.

https://thefederalistpapers.org/eco...is-shrinking-and-heres-why-thats-a-good-thing

Where do you live because I don't see that anywhere. I could be wrong but I'm not thriving from this richness!

 

[Purple_Shyguy]

A bunch of dumb lefty morons

 

[Attacker3]

fair wages based on the value that their labor produces.

But how do you decide that? Is through the marxist way of "if it takes longer to make it's worth more"? Because that's really dumb, and we can get into a debate about that too.

I mean, a lot of people die while working for slave wages too. Just as often from suicide as starvation. If a corporation is going to exploit a certain population, they should have to pay them a living wage for the region from the start. Even if that would be lower than the American minimum wage in many cases, it'd still be better than $0.05 an hour or whatever.

But what does a minimum wage mean? The fact that many people are surviving with their family working shows that they are in fact living. Again, we get into an issue of how to define how much labour is worth.

 

[SG854]

Ur not becoming richer. You used to be but now other nations are taking that spot like China, Europe and so forth. If you would become richer then the dollar wouldn't haven sunken so low compared to the Euro. European union has all these social benefits while still supporting the richest countries in the world.

Where do you live because I don't see that anywhere. I could be wrong but I'm not thriving from this richness!

Check Out my last blog I go into it in a lot more detail about the poor and rich in America. It'll save me a lot of typing time. And if there is anything you need to know then just ask me in this thread.

 

[Xzi]

We are not turning into a 3rd world country, we are are actually getting richer. There is great income mobility in America.

We're on the brink of another worldwide economic crash. Debts have never been higher. We haven't been stockpiling a surplus or paying down debts at all, so I don't know how well America is going to recover afterward.

Nordic Countries became wealthy through free market competition capitalism, before welfare programs were ever introduced. Socialist Welfare programs actually stunted their economic growth, so they are moving away from it. They fund their generous welfare by heavily taxing the middle class and poor, while give benefits to the rich. Thats how they make it work. They know if they tax the rich too much they will leave the country, and their economy will fail.

They don't need welfare programs because they do smart stuff like taxing gasoline at 70% and put that money to use in the green energy sector. Or paying their workers the wages they actually deserve. If we want to become more prosperous like those countries, it's a lot more complicated then ending welfare and facetiously saying "good luck" to those who were dependent on it.

 

[SG854]

We're on the brink of another worldwide economic crash. Debts have never been higher. We haven't been stockpiling a surplus or paying down debts at all, so I don't know how well America is going to recover afterward.


They don't need welfare programs because they do smart stuff like taxing gasoline at 70% and put that money to use in the green energy sector. Or paying their workers the wages they actually deserve. If we want to become more prosperous like those countries, it's a lot more complicated then ending welfare and facetiously saying "good luck" to those who were dependent on it.

Debt a lot of it was caused by Obama's spending much more then what bush did.

But they do have welfare programs.