Opinions re: ANTIFA?

[Xzi]

Sure and you can argue that, but they did have a right to own slaves in those states. I disagree with it, but sooner rather than later they would have abolished it too due to social pressures within the state and from outside of the state. No need for a war.

By that time the South was claiming that slave labor was 100% essential to their economy, I don't think a war was avoidable if we were going to change their outlook on that. It's kind of like suggesting a big oil company will eventually transition to green energy because of their own morals and social pressure. I don't expect I'll ever see something like that happen in my lifetime. In the same vein, I'm willing to bet that some areas of the country would still have slavery if not for the Civil War.

 

[Eddypikachu]

When they said that all men are created equal they meant Europeans. All men are equal but they owned slaves? Watch the video to answer that question

Yep, they thought that, and if you go further into American history people being question the reality of the blanket statement that all men are created equal and fought for better rights so that everyone can actually be treated as an equal person.

 

[PanTheFaun]

Big Brother is coming. Haha.

 

[kumikochan]

By that time the South was claiming that slave labor was 100% essential to their economy, I don't think a war was avoidable if we were going to change their outlook on that. It's kind of like suggesting a big oil company will eventually transition to green energy because of their own morals and social pressure. I don't expect I'll ever see something like that happen in my lifetime. In the same vein, I'm willing to bet that some areas of the country would still have slavery if not for the Civil War.

Most big cities don't allow diesel cars anymore in cities or older gasoline cars and by 2022 i think it was only electrical cars would be allowed in big cities across Europe so i see that happening rather soon. Also Belgium will no longer use nuclear energy by 2025 and most European cities won't anymore

 

[Attacker3]

slave labor was 100% essential to their economy,

CITATION NEEDED

 

[PanTheFaun]

Yep, they thought that, and if you go further into American history people being question the reality of the blanket statement that all men are created equal and fought for better rights so that everyone can actually be treated as an equal person.

But that's actually not happening when you have Europeans being forced to deal with these illegal immigrants when they don't want them in their country. Now you have things being called whitewashed, white people are all racist, nazis if they don't want their culture and countries taken over, etc. Try this in any Asian country and you'll see they will never go for it. The races were segregated from each other from the beginning because there is infighting like this. Multicultural societies have never worked in a peaceful way.

 

[Xzi]

CITATION NEEDED

In 1860, the South was still predominantly agricultural, highly dependent upon the sale of staples to a world market. By 1815, cotton was the most valuable export in the United States; by 1840, it was worth more than all other exports combined. But while the southern states produced two-thirds of the world's supply of cotton, the South had little manufacturing capability, about 29 percent of the railroad tracks, and only 13 percent of the nation's banks. The South did experiment with using slave labor in manufacturing, but for the most part it was well satisfied with its agricultural economy.

https://www.nps.gov/resources/story.htm?id=251

Note that I did say "100% essential" to their economy, not "100% of their economy." It's the same thing when somebody claims the Civil War was fought over the economy or states' rights. Technically true, but still disingenuous because it was fought over the slave economy and states' right to use slave labor.

 

[Eddypikachu]

But that's actually not happening when you have Europeans being forced to deal with these illegal immigrants when they don't want them in their country. Now you have things being called whitewashed, white people are all racist, nazis if they don't want their culture and countries taken over, etc. The races were segregated from each other from the beginning because there is infighting like this. Multicultural societies have never worked in a peaceful way.

Again America isn't comprised of ONLY Europeans, the times have changed whether you like it or not and people of other ethnicities have lived here for a very long time and will continue living for a very long time here. And also you're blowing everything out of proportion because I sense you have some huge unnecessary paranoia, like, no ones gonna do a Trail of Tears for white people, that's just not even realistic and kinda absurd to think that.

 

[PanTheFaun]

Again America isn't comprised of ONLY Europeans, the times have changed whether you like it or not and people of other ethnicities have lived here for a very long time and will continue living for a very long time here. And also you're blowing everything out of proportion because I sense you have some huge unnecessary paranoia, like, no ones gonna do a Trail of Tears for white people, that's just not even realistic and kinda absurd to think that.

Haha this isn't a debate as to what races will be here and such the point is that it was meant to be European and in my opinion was a much better country when it was a European society ran by Europeans. It was safer, our own people worked American jobs and not other countries, and we had much better freedoms. America and Europe are now turning into 3rd world countries thanks to 3rd world peoples flooding in who don't care about the culture, history, etc.

 

[Xzi]

Haha this isn't a debate as to what races will be here and such the point is that it was meant to be European and in my opinion was a much better country when it was a European society ran by Europeans. It was safer, our own people worked American jobs and not other countries, and we had much better freedoms. America and Europe are now turning into 3rd world countries thanks to 3rd world peoples flooding in.

The fact that we're turning into a third-world country has nothing to do with immigration. We elect greedy corporatist oligarch-like figures and then act surprised when workers get treated like shit from both corporations and the government. We simply don't have enough Socialist influences or inclinations right now, and we have too many authoritarian influences and inclinations.

 

[Eddypikachu]

Haha this isn't a debate as to what races will be here and such the point is that it was meant to be European and in my opinion was a much better country when it was a European society ran by Europeans. It was safer, our own people worked American jobs and not other countries, and we had much better freedoms. America and Europe are now turning into 3rd world countries thanks to 3rd world peoples flooding in who don't care about the culture, history, etc.

It absolutely was not better back then, we had the entire Gilded age, child labor, unsafe working conditions, working for poverty wages, it was not as glamorous as you're attempting to romanticize it.

 

[Attacker3]

https://www.nps.gov/resources/story.htm?id=251

Note that I did say "100% essential" to their economy, not "100% of their economy." It's the same thing when somebody claims the Civil War was fought over the economy or states' rights. Technically true, but still disingenuous because it was fought over the slave economy and states' rights to use slave labor.

Already your source shows why they would end up moving away from slave labour.

But while the southern states produced two-thirds of the world's supply of cotton, the South had little manufacturing capability, about 29 percent of the railroad tracks, and only 13 percent of the nation's banks. The South did experiment with using slave labor in manufacturing, but for the most part it was well satisfied with its agricultural economy.

The issue with the south is that their entire agricultural sector was out of date, and the less labour intensive manufacturing wasn't really available to the south.

Southern agriculture remained labor intensive while northern agriculture became increasingly mechanized

The only reason that the south kept slaves was because they were behind on the tech side of things. Once they caught up with more things to reduce labour, it would be more valuable for the economy to allow the Africans to go free and educate them in order to actually work the manufacturing jobs (you can't just throw anybody into one of those and expect them to do well at all, their experiment with manufacturing most likely failed because of that.)

Once the southern states actually caught up to the north, they would have abolished slavery most definitely, just because they had 14 million less people, and you need as many of those as possible to be educated when you have an economy based on manufacturing, which the South would end up moving to when they had less and less people working the fields.

 

[PanTheFaun]

It absolutely was not better back then, we had the entire Gilded age, child labor, unsafe working conditions, working for poverty wages, it was not as glamorous as you're attempting to romanticize it.

Haha trust me it was a lot better and I rather have dangerous freedom to peaceful slavery.

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The fact that we're turning into a third-world country has nothing to do with immigration. We elect greedy corporatist oligarch-like figures and then act surprised when workers get treated like shit from both corporations and the government. We simply don't have enough Socialist influences or inclinations right now, and we have too many authoritarian influences and inclinations.

I also agree with this. I believe they are both responsible in different ways.

 

[Xzi]

Once the southern states actually caught up to the north, they would have abolished slavery most definitely, just because they had 14 million less people, and you need as many of those as possible to be educated when you have an economy based on manufacturing.

That's fair, but there's also no way of knowing if they would've kept slaves and used them for different work in that case. After all, we've just jumped from one source of cheap labor to the next since then, and it's still happening today with our clothing and our electronics.

 

[PanTheFaun]

That's fair, but there's also no way of knowing if they would've just kept slaves and used them for different work in that case. After all, we've just jumped from one source of cheap labor to the next since then, and it's still happening today with our clothing and our electronics.

Maybe we should just get back to the Antifa stuff. We got off track. :c

 

[Eddypikachu]

Haha trust me it was a lot better and I rather have dangerous freedom to peaceful slavery.

Haha trust me you wouldn't want to die in the coal mines (where you're only earning pennies a day) because your boss decided they didn't want to pay for any safety measures, you deserve better tbh, we all deserve safe working conditions and above poverty pay.

 

[PanTheFaun]

Haha trust me you wouldn't want to die in the coal mines where you're only earning pennies a day because your boss decided they didn't want to pay for any safety measures, you deserve better tbh, we all deserve safe working conditions and above poverty pay.

Even today a lot of people are paid close to nothing but I rather just get back to the Antifa stuff which is what this thread is about. :c

 

[Issac]

also his last post before this one was from 2009 and somehow knows all the supervisors and just so happened to stumble on our debate. Sockpuppet much?

There is a page that lists all staff members, so that's nothing weird.

 

[PanTheFaun]

There is a page that lists all staff members, so that's nothing weird.

OH SNAP!

 

[gameboy]

and this is why i laughed when that guy ran over 30 people at that rally in the carolinas a few years ago. people need to get out of the street or get run over in hopefully brutal gore spilling fashion