Hacking Nintendo 3DS Hack Compilation

[nexuspunk]

I'd pay more attention to the IP address, not that it would really do anything. Unless there is a mass takeover of Nintendo servers.

somehow i do not see that happening

 

[reaper527]

I think its better to let the 3DS unhackeable for more years, so we can get a good amount of great games.

people actually believe this ridiculous line or reasoning that has no grounding in reality?

i was unaware that psx, ps2, xbox1, xbox360, ps3, psp didn't have tons of great games (hint: all of those systems except ps3 got hacked very early in their life cycle, and even with ps3, it has had plenty of great games since being hacked)

(and on a side note, the gamecube got hacked VERY late in it's life cycle, and great games were few and far between on the console that was widely regarded as a flop)

 

[porkiewpyne]

Please please please let's not make this into yet another "Will piracy kill Console X etc" again. Pretty please?

 

[nexuspunk]

Please please please let's not make this into yet another "Will piracy kill Console X etc" again. Pretty please?

people will always bring that up, for me this project is more for testing out games before i buy them. well if they ever release it.

 

[Rydian]

I really hope I don't have to make a "Gaming Industry: Common Myths" thread to cover crap like this.

 

[henn64]

somehow i do not see that happening

XD That's my point.

 

[Thorhian]

I really hope I don't have to make a "Gaming Industry: Common Myths" thread to cover crap like this.

Lol, you may have to considering we are on GBATemp.... XD I just wish I had the low level software hacking knowledge to actually attempt to do this sort of stuff.... Or the tools also. You got any ideas on where to learn this sort of stuff. College, lol?

 

[henn64]

Lol, you may have to considering we are on GBATemp.... XD I just wish I had the low level software hacking knowledge to actually attempt to do this sort of stuff.... Or the tools also. You got any ideas on where to learn this sort of stuff. College, lol?

Honestly, I'd like to know, too.

 

[Rydian]

Lol, you may have to considering we are on GBATemp.... XD I just wish I had the low level software hacking knowledge to actually attempt to do this sort of stuff.... Or the tools also. You got any ideas on where to learn this sort of stuff. College, lol?

Generally computer science basics, a rapid-development scripting language, assembly, and then some portable/compilable language are needed.
http://learnproglang.couch.it/

 

[Thorhian]

Generally computer science basics, a rapid-development scripting language, assembly, and then some portable/compilable language are needed.
http://learnproglang.couch.it/

Well, good thing I plan on getting a Bachelors in computer science when I'm done with high school.

Plus, learning the language required isn't the end all, you have too have some basic hardware knowledge to though, don't you?

 

[SifJar]

Well, good thing I plan on getting a Bachelors in computer science when I'm done with high school.

Plus, learning the language required isn't the end all, you have too have some basic hardware knowledge to though, don't you?

Some basic hardware knowledge should be covered in a decent computer science course I'd have thought, but yes, you should know at least the basics. A few posts from FAST6191 with links for learning various bits and pieces:

http://gbatemp.net/threads/psp-hacking.204149/#post-2541305
http://gbatemp.net/threads/some-hacking-concepts-and-links.287721/

The first is mostly links categorised into various "subjects", the second has more details within the actual post, with links and videos for more info etc.

 

[dehry]

Well, good thing I plan on getting a Bachelors in computer science when I'm done with high school.

Plus, learning the language required isn't the end all, you have too have some basic hardware knowledge to though, don't you?

If you actually plan on hacking things, go for Computer Engineering or Electrical Engineering. CS is only good for programming on established platforms. Where I went to school there were probably 4 or 5 extra classes between CEG and CS dealing with hardware.

Also, if you haven't even started coding by age 12-15 you aren't going anywhere other than a cubicle, debugging cash register software that breaks after 10 characters are entered.

 

[Thorhian]

If you actually plan on hacking things, go for Computer Engineering or Electrical Engineering. CS is only good for programming on established platforms. Where I went to school there were probably 4 or 5 extra classes between CEG and CS dealing with hardware.

Also, if you haven't even started coding by age 12-15 you aren't going anywhere other than a cubicle, debugging cash register software that breaks after 10 characters are entered.

Well, this isnt going to be my career XD More of a hobby. A CS will be quite usefull still. Also, you have quite a gloomy outlook XD Programming is not the only thing I will be doing when I get older.

 

[marksteele]

so to get this right, the recent patch patched the stuff that allowed the exploit to launch other code, however the exploit itself is still there? Can someone put, in laymens terms, what this means in terms of how much progress was lost?

 

[dehry]

so to get this right, the recent patch patched the stuff that allowed the exploit to launch other code, however the exploit itself is still there? Can someone put, in laymens terms, what this means in terms of how much progress was lost?

The exploit that existed in the game itself is still there, but the part that allowed them to execute code on the 3DS was patched.

Without going into computing theory, imagine a fence around a building. One of the gates were left open and they found a door that was open. Nintendo removed that door while remodeling the building.

 

[SACooper95]

This is bad for the updaters that went to 5.0.0-11. I'm glad I took a look at this forum before Updating. Long live 4.5.0-10!

Dose this mean Nintendo knows which game we were using to try to Jailbreak the system or did they just do some spring cleaning and happen to fix the issue?

 

[DiabloStorm]

This is bad for the updaters that went to 5.0.0-11. I'm glad I took a look at this forum before Updating. Long live 4.5.0-10!

Dose this mean Nintendo knows which game we were using to try to Jailbreak the system or did they just do some spring cleaning and happen to fix the issue?

Nintendo is obviously watching us and 3Dbrew, they don't know the game but they're more skilled than anybody here (because it's their system.) So they found some easy way to fix the problem just by following all the little clues here and on 3Dbrew. I updated anyway, it's pointless to me to lose partial functionality for some (as of now) pipe dream and plus, I want to actually play Pokemon x/y while it's current and any other game as well. The point of hacking the system should be to open a hole big enough to be usable in the current firmware and we didn't make it there yet.

Being the sadistic bastard I am, I actually read through this entire thread (I lost count of how many hours that took...) I can only conclude a few things:

-This place needed heavier moderation (lol)
-If I was yellows8, neimod...whoever else in the know, I wouldn't have said a thing until it was absolutely ready. (pretty easy to say this in hindsight I guess) As much as I appreciate 3Dbrew's willingness to amuse everybody's curiosity with the info they did release, look where it got everyone? Nowhere. Now we're at (almost) square one again and the wait time is even longer now. We all lost out this time. Please stick to need-to-know basis next time.

-Whoever (people at 3Dbrew or otherwise) tried to justify limiting the use of whichever exploit was found in order to 'prevent piracy and/or prevent damaging game developer's incentive to produce games' well, I just have to completely call bullshit.

For one, (and I mentioned this in a post on another thread) homebrew will almost always lead to some form of piracy, regardless. (unless you don't release the exploits and then homebrew will suffer as a whole.) You really can't have one without the other. (If you care to disagree, I'll ask again, please explain how you get homebrew without piracy eventually. Even something like Devolution can get hacked as someone mentioned earlier in this thread.)

Secondly, Game developers are ALREADY bitching and complaining of piracy for the 3DS when none even exists as of yet. (Bar Ace3DS) No HOMEBREW even exists as of yet and they have nothing fueling their dread other than word of mouth (or text in this case) because really, in the grand scheme of things, there is not much to show in terms of progress. (for homebrew or piracy)
In spite of all of that, "damage" (I use this term loosely) is being done in the process of these (homebrew's) efforts, regardless, or they wouldn't be bitching and complaining already. Deal with it. We can't stop every paranoid, whiny game developer from deviating from the 3DS if they choose to. (This "damage" CERTAINLY didn't stop Nintendo, Gamefreak or The Pokemon Company from releasing Pokemon Black2/White2 on the DS in late 2012 now did it?)

-Realistically, we could be waiting years before we see something promising here and if it's released by 3Dbrew, well, we already know their stance on the matter, so it would take even more time for the project to lead to 'other things' by other people if that's what interests you.

-Unless explicitly and non sarcastically confirmed by one of the big guys at 3Dbrew, they would have shared everything with us eventually on the grounds that it wasn't reversible by Nintendo. (As far as homebrew and exploits directly related to that go. For all we know they could be working on their own personal 3DS ROM loader on the side and just refuse to share any of that with us, which would be pretty hypocritical but I digress...) How else does homebrew work out? I mean, seriously, the guys are running a site dedicated to homebrew. By their own definition "Homebrew is a popular term used for applications that are created and executed on a video game console by hackers and consumers." Consumers: that's most of us. It's a thing that requires input from more than just a handful of people on 3Dbrew in order to get off the ground.

Anyway, this thread has been enlightening...I just happened to finish reading it right when Nintendo slammed all of us, so (for now) R.I.P. Homebrew.

Additionally: Due to not much official word on the decapping fundraiser it was pretty easy to assume (up until this recent firmware update) that they weren't in desperate need for those SEM images. Now that the tables have turned I can only suggest that some higher-up at 3Dbrew.org come forth to reinvigorate the donation process because it has been stagnating for months now.

 

[alirezay]

Nintendo is obviously watching us and 3Dbrew, they don't know the game but they're more skilled than anybody here (because it's their system.) So they found some easy way to fix the problem just by following all the little clues here and on 3Dbrew. I updated anyway, it's pointless to me to lose partial functionality for some (as of now) pipe dream and plus, I want to actually play Pokemon x/y while it's current and any other game as well. The point of hacking the system should be to open a hole big enough to be usable in the current firmware and we didn't make it there yet.

Being the sadistic bastard I am, I actually read through this entire thread (I lost count of how many hours that took...) I can only conclude a few things:

-This place needed heavier moderation (lol)
-If I was yellows8, neimod...whoever else in the know, I wouldn't have said a thing until it was absolutely ready. (pretty easy to say this in hindsight I guess) As much as I appreciate 3Dbrew's willingness to amuse everybody's curiosity with the info they did release, look where it got everyone? Nowhere. Now we're at (almost) square one again and the wait time is even longer now. We all lost out this time. Please stick to need-to-know basis next time.

-Whoever (people at 3Dbrew or otherwise) tried to justify limiting the use of whichever exploit was found in order to 'prevent piracy and/or prevent damaging game developer's incentive to produce games' well, I just have to completely call bullshit.

For one, (and I mentioned this in a post on another thread) homebrew will almost always lead to some form of piracy, regardless. (unless you don't release the exploits and then homebrew will suffer as a whole.) You really can't have one without the other. (If you care to disagree, I'll ask again, please explain how you get homebrew without piracy eventually. Even something like Devolution can get hacked as someone mentioned earlier in this thread.)

Secondly, Game developers are ALREADY bitching and complaining of piracy for the 3DS when none even exists as of yet. (Bar Ace3DS) No HOMEBREW even exists as of yet and they have nothing fueling their dread other than word of mouth (or text in this case) because really, in the grand scheme of things, there is not much to show in terms of progress. (for homebrew or piracy)
In spite of all of that, "damage" (I use this term loosely) is being done in the process of these (homebrew's) efforts, regardless, or they wouldn't be bitching and complaining already. Deal with it. We can't stop every paranoid, whiny game developer from deviating from the 3DS if they choose to. (This "damage" CERTAINLY didn't stop Nintendo, Gamefreak or The Pokemon Company from releasing Pokemon Black2/White2 on the DS in late 2012 now did it?)

-Realistically, we could be waiting years before we see something promising here and if it's released by 3Dbrew, well, we already know their stance on the matter, so it would take even more time for the project to lead to 'other things' by other people if that's what interests you.

-Unless explicitly and non sarcastically confirmed by one of the big guys at 3Dbrew, they would have shared everything with us eventually on the grounds that it wasn't reversible by Nintendo. (As far as homebrew and exploits directly related to that go. For all we know they could be working on their own personal 3DS ROM loader on the side and just refuse to share any of that with us, which would be pretty hypocritical but I digress...) How else does homebrew work out? I mean, seriously, the guys are running a site dedicated to homebrew. By their own definition "Homebrew is a popular term used for applications that are created and executed on a video game console by hackers and consumers." Consumers: that's most of us. It's a thing that requires input from more than just a handful of people on 3Dbrew in order to get off the ground.

Anyway, this thread has been enlightening...I just happened to finish reading it right when Nintendo slammed all of us, so (for now) R.I.P. Homebrew.

Additionally: Due to not much official word on the decapping fundraiser it was pretty easy to assume (up until this recent firmware update) that they weren't in desperate need for those SEM images. Now that the tables have turned I can only suggest that some higher-up at 3Dbrew.org come forth to reinvigorate the donation process because it has been stagnating for months now.

I said this 2 mounths ago but everyone said nintendo wont find the exploit....
I just said if 3 persons found the exploit ofcourse nintendo will find the exploit....
Now exploit is almost gone.lets just dont think about it and find a new way.

 

[porkiewpyne]

^Congratulations! Here is your prize.

No, seriously. FWIW Ninty didn't actually go "Yeap this is the game needed and this is how the 3DS is hacked etc". They stumbled upon some vulnerability and fixed it which happened to affect the one the hackers utilised. Whether or not it is the exact one, I don't know. And we did not say it was impossible. Very unlikely. Not impossible. Either way, we won't know how what the hack would bring even if they released every detail. I highly doubt it be that groundbreakingly useful.

 

[DiabloStorm]

They stumbled upon some vulnerability and fixed it which happened to affect the one the hackers utilised. Whether or not it is the exact one, I don't know.

http://www.3dbrew.org/wiki/5.0.0-11 "The system does not delete/block 3DS savegame haxx at all with this update, however the code execution haxx used by this was fixed."