Gaming New comp build in progress

[Taza]

those are just parts in your computer
this is exactly what I thought

anyone who doesnt buy the exact same parts or brand as you is a n00b to you
well guess what, not everyone has the same taste as you, likes the same brands, wants more bang for buck value (which I was after)

I got exactly what I wanted and im happy so far
I have yet to test gfx, mobo, ram, card reader yet
but everything else works great and exactly the way I want, no problems
I got a dam nice looking case (If I do say so my self), a great and powerful gfx card that will last years to come, a good motherboard with tons of extra features (for the price those features shouldn't even be included), a nice cpu that was cheap and yet has great extra value once oc'd, at least 2GB of good ram, an ok PSU that had a really good sale on (already stated I would take a chance on it), and a bunch of other extra's to make this a great build for me

go troll in a different thread is you really need too
you are just a thorn in everybody's side here
just repeating the same thing over again
all your parts are garbage, all my parts are better, I know more then everybody else here, I laugh at you
even after you were warned by a mod you still decided to troll
just gtfo

You've got a great and powerful gfx card that will last for years to come? Whoa boy do I know professional builders disagreeing with you.

Hint: It's got a lot of power alright, an incredible amount of faults and a really bad tendency to overheat. And I really hope you aren't going to try anything but the Latest And Greatest (XP or Vista) in operating systems - it's going to crash and burn if you do.

What you've got is pretty bad parts with some decent but bad buy parts thrown in, and you're just calling me a troll because you don't want to admit you wasted a lot of money.

Also the build above isn't my build - I threw away a fair amount of power and money in exchange for silence. Yet most parts are the same - why would I get anything but the best value for my money for myself?

 

[Joe88]

that card would easily last me 1-2 years, heck I been using a radeon 9250 for the last 3 years
also read up on the facts, that card doesnt overheat, the default for the fan is 20%, all you do is set it to 40-60% and there shoudnt be any heat issues, especially not overheating
there is no other faults beside the default fan setting
your comments about gfx cards are nv fanboy comments it seems,there is no facts backing it up at all

Im calling you a troll because thats all you have done in this thread , a couple others members and a mod said the same thing too, but I guess you are right and everyone else is wrong huh...?
that other line is funny too "your just calling me a troll because you dont want admit you wasted a lot of money"
I dont regret any of my purchases, I got everything I wanted, im happy
if that was your intent too try to make me regret what I bought, then you failed badly, and only made yourself look like fool/fanboy/troll in the process

my hardware buy list was approved by 3 other hardware forums after some tweaking by people who actually know what are doing
im not gonna listen to some random n00b who told me all my parts were garbage

 

[Taza]

Well, have fun then.

Maybe next time your research will extend to things other than power too.

 

[juggernaut911]

Taza, that card will probably last him for a while. You just disagree because it seems that your standards are Tri SLI GTX 280 or something. Not everyone needs a rig that was stolen from NASA.

Joe's rig is fine but your opinions are just getting even more rude and unhelpful as time passes.

 

[Taza]

Actually, a GTX 280 would not meet my current standards without significant after-purchase modifications.

And I've said it a dozen times - it's not that the new batch of ATI cards is slow - they seem to follow the principles of live fast, die young. They heat *a lot* - increasing the fan speed might fix that a bit - they suck up a lot of power and they have a tendency to have *a lot of* build flaws. Add in to that the drivers and you got a recipe for disaster and problems such as texture corruption and pink spots. Adding a brand like HIS into this mix also creates possible problem with other things in the card other than just the actual chip - usually, the cheaper the card the more they cheaped out on the additional parts, given that the chips are more or less the same price no matter what.

Essentially, ATI cards for the last two generations have had the same problem as the NVIDIA cards are getting - power and more clock speed at the expense of reliability and power consumption, leading to hot, rickety parts. Same as Intel consumer desktop processors at the late Pentium 4 era. There's a significant need of a new architecture on both sides. In addition, where the NVIDIA drivers are just bloated, the ATI drivers have crashing problems and their game support is nowhere close.

Then there's the E7300 - which I don't really get. Add a little bit more and you get a lot of additional power. But eh, it's a good part, it just looks out of place in any rig.
OCZ ram is for overclockers mostly - it's startlingly high quality compared to the rest.
The mobo and SATA hdd are a decided "eh" - I'd choose very differently, but it's not like they are complete garbage.
The IDE HDDs I just don't understand, especially given their speed. This directly leads to the IDE/SATA card, which just happens to be the cheapest out there too. You could get by well with just a single ide host as long as you only connect two devices - like one of those IDE HDDs for restoring backups and a single optical drive.

Then there's the case, which is a typical $30 case. It might have cost more than $30 but it's the quality level. Nothing bad, and I wouldn't have bothered with a high-quality case without my silence fetish. The power is also cheap junk, but he admitted that already.

And oh, I use the latest and greatest in Asus Silent cards. Because I aimed for a below 20 decibel system so I can retire it to a rich media server once I'm done with it.

Also, there's an another factor why I hate ATI cards. Whenever my box isn't pure Linux/FreeBSD, it's usually dualboot.

 

[juggernaut911]

Once again, you point out the flaws without any intention of fixing them. Help of leave.

 

[Taza]

How am I supposed to fix them when he's already bought bad parts?

 

[juggernaut911]

It's still helpful because if he purchased froma place where you can return parts and for some catastrophic reason his stuff doesn't work, he'll have another shot and your post to look to.

 

[Taza]

Well in that case I already have, way up at third post of this page.

The first things would be to get rid of that awful graphics card and that absolutely horrible SATA/IDE card. And also really ditching the idea of having his operating systems on the IDE drives and just putting them *and the swap file twice the size of his RAM* on the first partition of the SATA hard drive. Probably installing XP first.

The case and power are cheap, look cheap, function cheap, but eh, if you're relatively safe from power spikes and brownouts, they'll probably suffice - even if the power will waste amazing amounts of power and the case will be loud with fans in it.

That's about all that can be done without completely replacing the system. The mobo and hard drive aren't from manufacturers known for exploding parts, so they aren't a massive danger. Well, except the old WD Caviars, but those were in an era when 500gb HDDs were unheard of. Expensive DVD-RW, card readers or diskette drives aren't worth it, given how rarely they're used, well, except the card readers and I've been using one from DX for months without a hiccup. Well, no hiccup under Windows anyway.

 

[Joe88]

<!--quoteo(post=1686720:date=Jan 5 2009, 02:23 PM:name=Taza)--><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE(Taza @ Jan 5 2009, 02:23 PM) <a href="index.php?act=findpost&pid=1686720"><{POST_SNAPBACK}></a></div><div class='quotemain'><!--quotec-->And I've said it a dozen times - it's not that the new batch of ATI cards is slow - they seem to follow the principles of live fast, die young. They heat *a lot* - increasing the fan speed might fix that a bit - they suck up a lot of power and they have a tendency to have *a lot of* build flaws. Add in to that the drivers and you got a recipe for disaster and problems such as texture corruption and pink spots. Adding a brand like HIS into this mix also creates possible problem with other things in the card other than just the actual chip - usually, the cheaper the card the more they cheaped out on the additional parts, given that the chips are more or less the same price no matter what.

Essentially, ATI cards for the last two generations have had the same problem as the NVIDIA cards are getting - power and more clock speed at the expense of reliability and power consumption, leading to hot, rickety parts. Same as Intel consumer desktop processors at the late Pentium 4 era. There's a significant need of a new architecture on both sides. In addition, where the NVIDIA drivers are just bloated, the ATI drivers have crashing problems and their game support is nowhere close.<!--QuoteEnd--></div><!--QuoteEEnd-->

they already tried the, fast memory clocks, huge 512bit bus , it just didnt work (x2900xt)
and the card doubled as a house heat furnace to boot
they redesigned the whole architecture of the chip

then the 3000 series launched
they also dumped all x's, pro's, and other names they given
the higher the number the more power the card has, to start the new architecture design

all nvidia did was recycle their 8 series card and relabel them as 9 series with slightly better SLI performance, most likely thinking people would buy it because they thought it was better
everybody found out, and cards like the 9800GT are just excluded from benchmarks since its the same 8800GT card with a new label

now they are just stealing the show from nvidia's over priced cards
with bang for buck ratio cards
the GTX260 when it was released retailed for $499, GTX280 was $649-699
ati released their 4870 for $299
all the benchmarks pointed in ati's favor, showing a card for $200 less beating by a bit of a margin the competitions card

anyway back to the original comment
where is your proof about drivers crashing
im pretty sure we had this exact conversation in another thread, and several other people commented how their cards never got those said errors including me
you are using a nvidia card so obliviously you are going to bash the other card to try to get a sale for nvidia, by stating un -researched, misinformed and general fanboy comments and you still do right now
it clear you have no idea what you are talking about as far as saying all ati cards have heat, power, drivers, and just about everything else problems when compared to nvidia's cards

now, it really doesnt matter how makes the cards
HIS just used the ATI's reference design and just gave it an aesthetics upgrade
pcb is now blue, heatsink has HIS's design on it, they painted the bracket to black, and gold coated the dvi connectors
other then that its completely identical to any other reference card
just dont use the included driver cd and get the latest from ati/amd's site
and it will work like any other 4870

and about the how cheap the card was, I guessed you missed the memo
<a href="http://www.xbitlabs.com/news/video/display/20081205200043_AMD_Reduces_Pricing_of_ATI_Radeon_HD_4870_to_199.html" target="_blank"><a href="http://www.xbitlabs.com/news/video/display...870_to_199.html" target="_blank">http://www.xbitlabs.com/news/video/display...870_to_199.html</a></a>
it was a price reduction ordered by ati
that HIS card was $260 2 weeks before I bought it
another misinformed comment I see

well I agree they could use another redesign, its not really needed
they are already planning to reduce the die size again in the next series, which will cut out a lot of the power of heat

<!--quoteo(post=1686720:date=Jan 5 2009, 02:23 PM:name=Taza)--><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE(Taza @ Jan 5 2009, 02:23 PM) <a href="index.php?act=findpost&pid=1686720"><{POST_SNAPBACK}></a></div><div class='quotemain'><!--quotec-->Then there's the E7300 - which I don't really get. Add a little bit more and you get a lot of additional power. But eh, it's a good part, it just looks out of place in any rig.<!--QuoteEnd--></div><!--QuoteEEnd-->
$65 more would have bought me a "little" performance, bigger cache doesnt really mean squat, FSB was the only real big difference
but the E7300 pushes a x10 multiplier, not even the E8500 has that
the E8400 would be my choice if I wanted to spend more, but the E7300 just seems like the better overall value, especially for only $120

<!--quoteo(post=1686720:date=Jan 5 2009, 02:23 PM:name=Taza)--><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE(Taza @ Jan 5 2009, 02:23 PM) <a href="index.php?act=findpost&pid=1686720"><{POST_SNAPBACK}></a></div><div class='quotemain'><!--quotec-->The mobo and SATA hdd are a decided "eh" - I'd choose very differently, but it's not like they are complete garbage.
The IDE HDDs I just don't understand, especially given their speed. This directly leads to the IDE/SATA card, which just happens to be the cheapest out there too. You could get by well with just a single ide host as long as you only connect two devices - like one of those IDE HDDs for restoring backups and a single optical drive.<!--QuoteEnd--></div><!--QuoteEEnd-->
again how is the gigabyte board "not completely garbage"
Ive said this once but you just came back and repeated your self
go read a review of the board, the board is not only the highest rated for about $130 but also just the tons and tons of features you get
you have to pay $200+ to get anything as good from ASUS, that was the main decision when getting this board
you cant just accept that there are othe good boards other then ASUS, gigabyte with the release of the UD3 series and are actually better in overall value, asus just over prices all the stuff they make
from their motherboards, to gfx cards, to heatsinks
they are mostly $50+ more expensive then all their competitors products, even the same products like gfx cards
why choose them when I cant get the same product for cheaper and most of the time more features and better support?

The controller card does exactly what I want it to do, nothing more, nothing less
I dont need a crazy RAID configuration
just wanted another IDE controller, and a VIA 6421 SATA based chipset to flash a 360 hitachi-lg 79 drive, I both got in one package
I dont see a problem with that, I needed the SATA anyway so might as well get both
and also im not paying for all new sata based drives when I have perfectly functioning IDE drives right here
I mean yea they are faster but it comes at a price and when I have hardware here that works, just using older technology I will just use them till they burn out then I will make the upgrade to sata

im not a wasteful person like some people


<!--quoteo(post=1686720:date=Jan 5 2009, 02:23 PM:name=Taza)--><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE(Taza @ Jan 5 2009, 02:23 PM) <a href="index.php?act=findpost&pid=1686720"><{POST_SNAPBACK}></a></div><div class='quotemain'><!--quotec-->And oh, I use the latest and greatest in Asus Silent cards. Because I aimed for a below 20 decibel system so I can retire it to a rich media server once I'm done with it.

Also, there's an another factor why I hate ATI cards. Whenever my box isn't pure Linux/FreeBSD, it's usually dualboot.<!--QuoteEnd--></div><!--QuoteEEnd-->
ok?
I really dont care if you use over priced cards, I dont care about noise
again not everyone wants or needs to have the same parts as you

all these parts fit my needs, they are not for your needs



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<!--quoteo(post=1686807:date=Jan 5 2009, 02:53 PM:name=Taza)--><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE(Taza @ Jan 5 2009, 02:53 PM) <a href="index.php?act=findpost&pid=1686807"><{POST_SNAPBACK}></a></div><div class='quotemain'><!--quotec-->The first things would be to get rid of that awful graphics card and that absolutely horrible SATA/IDE card.<!--QuoteEnd--></div><!--QuoteEEnd-->
again with the crap video card comments
just gtfo already with your fanboy trolling comments, you know absolutely nothing as far as that goes
you just talk out your ass without researching anything, this whole thread is proof of that
Ive have already stated my thoughts about the SATA/IDE cards, they fit my needs, its not horrid in any way to me
its works the exact way I want it too

<!--quoteo(post=1686807:date=Jan 5 2009, 02:53 PM:name=Taza)--><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE(Taza @ Jan 5 2009, 02:53 PM) <a href="index.php?act=findpost&pid=1686807"><{POST_SNAPBACK}></a></div><div class='quotemain'><!--quotec-->And also really ditching the idea of having his operating systems on the IDE drives and just putting them *and the swap file twice the size of his RAM* on the first partition of the SATA hard drive. Probably installing XP first.<!--QuoteEnd--></div><!--QuoteEEnd-->
this might actually be the only actual helpful comment in this whole thread
Im thinking about dumping the 80GB IDE drive
I will partition a 100GB off the 500GB to use vista on, I dont know if I will use xp anymore, I only used it for programing and my phone drivers + bitpim

<!--quoteo(post=1686807:date=Jan 5 2009, 02:53 PM:name=Taza)--><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE(Taza @ Jan 5 2009, 02:53 PM) <a href="index.php?act=findpost&pid=1686807"><{POST_SNAPBACK}></a></div><div class='quotemain'><!--quotec-->The case and power are cheap, look cheap, function cheap, but eh, if you're relatively safe from power spikes and brownouts, they'll probably suffice - even if the power will waste amazing amounts of power and the case will be loud with fans in it.<!--QuoteEnd--></div><!--QuoteEEnd-->
the case is fine by me, I dont need it quiet, I dont need tooless design, I just want a functioning case with eye candy and it delivers there
and then we are back to tho the the trolling comments at the end...

<!--quoteo(post=1686807:date=Jan 5 2009, 02:53 PM:name=Taza)--><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE(Taza @ Jan 5 2009, 02:53 PM) <a href="index.php?act=findpost&pid=1686807"><{POST_SNAPBACK}></a></div><div class='quotemain'><!--quotec-->That's about all that can be done without completely replacing the system. The mobo and hard drive aren't from manufacturers known for exploding parts, so they aren't a massive danger. Well, except the old WD Caviars, but those were in an era when 500gb HDDs were unheard of. Expensive DVD-RW, card readers or diskette drives aren't worth it, given how rarely they're used, well, except the card readers and I've been using one from DX for months without a hiccup. Well, no hiccup under Windows anyway.<!--QuoteEnd--></div><!--QuoteEEnd-->
and you had to fit yet more trolling comments in at the end

its gigabyte and western digital
2 well known brands for performance and quality
I dont know how anyone can call them junky/ bad

Ive had those DVD-RW drives for years now, the dvd-rom I only used a few times then put it back in the box since the new computer I found had dvd-rom in it, its been sitting there for 3 years
the dvd-rw I got 2 years ago and have been using
I didnt just buy these parts, had them lying around, not gonna waste money on new drives when I have working ones here
just older tech

floppy drive and card reader werent expensive at all
and I actually use floppy's to flash bios, instal drivers, and a DOS boot disk to repair problems

 

[Taza]

$65 more would have bought me a "little" performance, bigger cache doesnt really mean squat, FSB was the only real big difference
but the E7300 pushes a x10 multiplier, not even the E8500 has that
the E8400 would be my choice if I wanted to spend more, but the E7300 just seems like the better overall value, especially for only $120
Uh, $65? I thought about E7200 and later upgrade to E8400 - and seeing I spent around $40 more for the E8400, I went with it right away.

The controller card does exactly what I want it to do, nothing more, nothing less
I dont need a crazy RAID configuration
just wanted another IDE controller, and a VIA 6421 SATA based chipset to flash a 360 hitachi-lg 79 drive, I both got in one package
im not a wasteful person like some people
The 360 is actually a valid reason, whereas the another ide controller is pointless. Plus, running anything through that will feel like coding through molasses.

I really dont care if you use over priced cards, I dont care about noise
again not everyone wants or needs to have the same parts as you

Overpriced? The Silent cards aren't overpriced - pretty much ever - and I recommended the 9800GT, delivering previous generation power for cheaper than the equivalent current generation card.

QUOTE(Joe88 @ Jan 6 2009, 04:04 AM) all these parts fit my needs, they are not for your needs

I think you already know what I have to say. Not that you'll ever accept the comments of someone with experience once you've already spent the money.

QUOTE(Joe88 @ Jan 6 2009, 04:04 AM)

its gigabyte and western digital
2 well known brands for performance and quality
I dont know how anyone can call them junky/ bad

Did I call them junky/bad? I said they aren't that bad.
Now, Western Digital used to have massive problems at which point they were worse than Maxtor - but then again, even IBM had it's DeathStars.
And known for performance and quality? They're known for decent reliability, and the WD 10000rpm HDD's are known for their performance.

Also, a big

for the gold coated DVI connectors. You're sure to get better picture quality!
Also, ranting about the ATI card now is pointless.

 

[Joe88]

just ignoring you..

back on topic of the thread
pics of the build

 

[juggernaut911]

fapfap @ case

nicely done joe! looking good. post up benchmarks!!

 

[Taza]

Buy a can of compressed air ASAP and clean that weekly, or those hard drives will be so covered in dust it ain't funny. Also enjoy vacuuming the front every day given that back case fan blows out - and if it doesn't, it'll cover both your graphics card and your CPU in grime.

Also, additional lights? I'm thinking of removing the wiring from my HDD led, but hey.

 

[Prime]

Stop trolling Taza.

looking very nice Joe.

 

[Jiggah]

Yea man, that dude is all negativity.

Nice job, Joe. It looks pretty good.

Next step, new monitor.

 

[Joe88]

Yea man, that dude is all negativity.

Nice job, Joe. It looks pretty good.

Next step, new monitor.

some 22" lcd would be next
next month probably

and a logitech x-540 5.1 system

 

[playallday]

some 22" lcd would be next
next month probably

Get a 32" HDTV for about $500. Gaming on it will look great

.

EDIT: Here's a good one. It's less then $500US.
EDIT2: Be sure to get this as well!

 

[Joe88]

out of my price range

can get a nice 22" for $150-200

and that DVI to HDMI adapter, my gfx card already came with that, as well as s-video to component, and s-video to composite, and DVI to VGA

 

[Scorpei]

Not my type of case, or cooler (I really dislike blue LEDs in systems) but good for you building your system yourself

.

$65 more would have bought me a "little" performance, bigger cache doesnt really mean squat, FSB was the only real big difference
but the E7300 pushes a x10 multiplier, not even the E8500 has that
the E8400 would be my choice if I wanted to spend more, but the E7300 just seems like the better overall value, especially for only $120

I did just read this though, felt I should comment. Although you are partially correct, you're also incorrect

. For example, my e4500 is clocked at 3GHz @ 1500MHz (clore @ fsb). When I run a small benchmark tool my proc is roughly as fast as my brothers e8400 @ stock speeds; so the cache size doesn't matter at that point. However as soon as the benchmark tool 'no longer fits in my cache' the FSB kicks in (/ memory speed) as now my processor is limited (as mine only has 2mb cache). My proc now clearly performs worse as compared to my brother's which doesn't really care yet.

As for the multiplier, with the core 2 duo's, wonderfull procs for overclocking so far for me

. That also includes the FSB. Mine OC-ed, as stated in a thread of mine under pretty normal voltages, runs at 187,5% of the original FSB. Because of that and the fact that my core is only stable up until 3 GHz my multiplier is only set to 8 (11 original). In my brothers case the speeds are 3600MHz@1600MHz which is the result of a multiplier of 9 (which is also the stock). So yes a high multiplier is nice, but an OC is also quite good to achieve by a higher FSB on these c2d's. Best would of course be a totally unclocked multiplier such as the AMD black editions....

Btw, a side note, you have a 45nm CPU, so adding voltage is more dangerous. Keep that in mind when OC-ing

. What voltage does it get stock btw? You can use CPU-Z to check (free) or speedfan?