Net Neutrality: what it is, and why you should care

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UPDATE: It's been voted for repeal. The FCC took Net Neutrality to a vote, and it was 3-2, in favor of repeal. This doesn't mean overnight upheaval, but things will certainly change, for better or worse, in due time.
If you've been on the internet at all the past week, there's a high chance that you've heard of something called "Net Neutrality", and you've also likely heard that there might be huge changes to your usage of the internet entirely. This post serves as a quick information briefing on what Net Neutrality is, what could happen if it's repealed, and the current events going on regarding it, and just general visibility to let the community in general be informed.

What is this Net Neutrality thing?


The basic definition of network neutrality is simple: all internet traffic is considered and treated equally. It was established just a bit under three years ago, in February 2015. It prevented companies like Comcast Xfinity and AT&T U-verse from speeding up, or slowing down certain sites based upon content. If you remember, back in July 2017, mobile provider Verizon admitted to targeting Netflix traffic, and specifically throttling it, negatively affecting customers' use of Netflix. Going back to 2014, there were also issues with Comcast customers, and, that's right, Netflix users, as connections to Netflix were notoriously slow. Netflix then entered a legal deal with Comcast, in order to have Netflix connections be faster than they previously were. The 2014 incident was pre-net neutrality, and shows that before the law was enacted, certain sites like Netflix were indeed slowed, and had to specifically bargain with large telecommunication monopolies like Comcast to get fair speeds out to their customers.

In April 2017, the chairman of the Federal Communications Commission (FCC), Ajit Pai, revealed that he had plans to repeal net neutrality. It's worth noting that Pai was once the Associate General Counsel of Verizon Communications, an incredibly high up position with an ISP, who we've stated before as having throttled websites in the past.

Pai's statements on the matter included saying such things as "[the government] would be able to stop micromanaging the internet" and that the FCC and internet service providers would simply have to be "transparent about their practices so that consumers can buy a service plan that's best for them". Shortly after, Comcast began vocally supporting these statements, claiming that government regulation of the internet has been harming innovation and investments of Comcast. David Cohen, the company's Chief Diversity Officer, said that "customers would be clearly informed on our practices [...] Comcast maintains that it does and will not block, throttle, or discriminate against lawful content".

Within the movement for repealing net neutrality, also comes with power being given to the Federal Trade Commission. The FTC would then have the ability to legally charge internet service providers that were not made clear to customers.

You may notice, that within any of the claims made by Pai or Comcast, that equal traffic was never made the focus, instead putting emphasis on making sure these monopolies must be clear and transparent about what they do, but never laying down any solid rules about what they need to be transparent about or why. And, of course, if the FTC were to go after AT&T, Comcast, Verizon, Time Warner, or other assorted companies for not being transparent, these legal cases would find themselves taking years to make their way to court, allowing for them to have their way with their customers until a definitive legal ruling. Therein lies the first batch of unease and controversy with the repeal.

In short, net neutrality is a fairly new regulation, which allows for equal traffic between all sites while using the internet. The chairman of the FCC and former higher-up of Verizon wants to repeal it, however. This would allow less government interference with ISPs, but would also allow those ISPs to do what they wish, so long as they're "transparent".

Does repealing Net Neutrality have any benefits?

Spoiler alert: not really

From the inception of the internet, and up until 2015, Americans have gone without net neutrality. Ajit Pai claims that should we not have net neutrality anymore, more rural areas would be able to have more companies and providers, and it would allow for more competition and choice for the consumer. However, these smaller companies would also have to fight it out with established services, with years of experience and infrastructure refinements.

As a side note, I've spent thirty minutes researching a potential "pro" argument. I've not found many that seem reasonable. I've listed in the spoiler tag below arguments from other websites and blogs.

Green Garage Blog: While net neutrality allows for freedom of speech, the downside is that almost anything can be posted to the internet. This means that the cruelest or insensitive information imaginable can end up on the internet, and as a result, it can cause a lot of problems from people that otherwise wouldn’t be prone to being under the microscope of criticism. This means that people can post cruel, intimidating, or other harassing messages and often get away with it thanks to free speech legislation. So it can be a very toxic environment for a lot of people to put up with.

Vittana: Reduced income from internet uses limits infrastructure improvements.
There are certain businesses and high-use individuals who consume large amounts of bandwidth every month. If net neutrality was removed, these high-level consumers would be asked to pay more for what they consume. This added income could then be used to upgrade the infrastructure of each internet service provider, making it possible for advanced fiber networks to be installed in many communities.

AEI: But in many instances, fast lanes, zero-rating, and the like benefit customers. In separate research, both former FCC Chief Economist Michael Katz (with Ben Hermalin) and I (with Janice Hauge) showed that fast lanes benefit small content providers in their attempts to compete with established industry leaders. AEI scholar Roslyn Layton has shown that elderly and low-income consumers benefit from zero-rating services.

Basically, the only benefit would be if America's current economy wasn't dominated by monopolistic ISPs. Below is an interview with Ajit Pai, showing his perspective.


Scrapping these rules, Pai told Reason's Nick Gillespie, won't harm consumers or the public interest because there was no reason for them in the first place. The rationales were mere "phantoms that were conjured up by people who wanted the FCC for political reasons to overregulate the internet," Pai told Gillespie. "We were not living in a digital dystopia in the years leading up to 2015."

If left in place, however, the Title II rules could harm the commercial internet, which Pai described as "one of the most incredible free market innovations in history."

"Companies like Google and Facebook and Netflix became household names precisely because we didn't have the government micromanaging how the internet would operate," said Pai, who noted that the Clinton-era decision not to regulate the Internet like a phone utility or a broadcast network was one of the most important factors in the rise of our new economy.

Pai also pushed back against claims that he's a right-wing radical who's "fucking things up."

"[I ascribe to] the very radical, right-wing position that the Clinton administration basically got it right when it came to digital infrastructure."


What happens if/when this gets repealed, and what does this mean for you?


The worst part of this, is that there's no definitive answer of what WILL happen, only what CAN happen. What has people concerned, though, is the potential things that larger ISPs can do with this new power, should net neutrality be repealed. Internet service providers could slow access to specific sites, and speed up others, in theory, others specifically being sites who pay ISPs for faster access, and those partnered or in contracts with ISPs. Websites like Google, Amazon, Reddit, Etsy, Netflix, and many more have all broadcast their support of net neutrality, stating that without these rules in place thanks to net neutrality, internet providers would become gatekeepers to the internet, restricting what customers can see. Without definitive government restrictions, these companies could be free to split access to the internet into packages, like cable TV, indeed making true on the intention of lowering the cost of internet access, but also making it more difficult and expensive to see all of the internet, as you can right now.

Likely, what will happen, though everything is up in the air, is that certain ISPs will utilize what's called "fast lanes" and "zero rating". Fast lanes are sort of like what we talked about at the start, with Netflix and Comcast. Currently, these fast lanes and zero rating are used with mobile phone data. AT&T customers can watch DirecTV (owned by AT&T) via their mobile data, without it counting towards their monthly cap. These rules could be applied to home internet as well; if you're a Comcast user, and you want to watch Hulu (owned by NBC-Universal-Comcast), maybe your connection to Hulu will be lightning fast, thanks to these theoretical fast lanes, and they won't go towards your Comcast monthly 1 Terabyte home cap. But what if you want to watch Netflix? Either Netflix will have much lower picture quality, or take a longer time to connect to. And if Netflix pays a fee, or gets into a contract once again with Comcast, then that potentially means that Netflix's increased costs move down to the consumer, who also now has to pay more for a service as well.

What can we do?


The only thing left to do is let your voice be heard. Social media has exploded without people decrying the impending repeal of net neutrality, and the negatives that it would entail, to the point of where the majority of Reddit has been plastered with net neutrality posts.

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The FCC will take the repeal to a vote on December 14, 2017. It is highly predicted that the repeal will pass, and net neutrality will come to an end. Millions have taken to the site "battleforthenet" and "callmycongress" to contact their local representatives and congressmen in order to show that American citizens don't want net neutrality destroyed.

You can learn more at the links below. Hopefully this is helpful in describing what net neutrality is, and why it shouldn't be taken away.

:arrow:Techcrunch: These are the arguments against net neutrality and why they're wrong

:arrow: Extra Credits: What a closed internet means

:arrow:Phillip DeFranco: The Internet is under attack

:arrow:Save the internet: What you need to know


:arrow:Ars Technica: RIP net neutrality
 

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It's a win win situation for humanity either way. Internet stays intact then the truth will keep spreading as it has been for the last 20 years or so. There are more unplugged (matrix reference) people today than ever because of the internet. If they destroy the internet then people will leave their computers and start spreading truth more actively in their communities. So truth wins regardless.
 

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So to respond to your recap, you can't tell me you haven't read the bill and then tell me what it's supposedly "full of." Which one is it? Have you read the bill and thus know what it's full of, or have you not read it and are just making up statements or going off on stupid shit you've heard from sites like Gizmodo? Of course I'm gonna keep telling you to read my post because with every single reply on the matter it's become increasingly evident you're only skimming them, because I've caught you missing several points I've argued now. @Xzi at least had the balls to tell me he's refusing to acknowledge arguments he doesn't want to refute.
Oh boy. Ok, citations of the NEGATIVE things in the bill... For starters, shall we look at page 26 on the fact sheet? Going from paragraphs 76 to 90, the proposal is quite literally questioning whether the anti-blocking, anti-throttling, and transparency provisions given by the Title II classifications are necessary, going so far as to suggest in in paragraph 85 that giving ISPs the authority to create "paid prioritization" tiers might allow them to create lower tiers where content is delivered slower, which suggests that the proposal would, if left in its current state, in fact allow ISPs to do such.

There's also paragraphs 140 and 141 on page 80, which say that the extent of regulation the FTC would have over ISPs would be if they're attempting to sell something deceptively. That won't help in a situation where an ISP (or worse, all the ISPs in a single area) would decide to introduce a paid priority internet access model, and advertised it as such. If a user can't access a website because it takes literal hours to load, the ISP can effectively say "That's unfortunate, would you like to upgrade to our faster premium plan?" and totally get away with it. To which a supporter of the bill may say "ah, but that violates the anti-trust laws!," but again, they would totally be able to get away with it if it's marketed as tiered access, because then the only thing standing between you and your information is a higher monthly payment.

And then there's paragraphs 143 through 145, spelling out just how great the Sherman Act anti-trust laws are supposed to be, which I've already commented on

As far as I can tell, paragraph 147 through 154 has nothing actually beneficial to the proposal itself, they just exist solely to attempt to justify why anti-trust laws would be so much better at regulating broadband providers than Title II and... like, at face value, that all looks great, but Mr. Pai's biggest selling point appears to be "stuff can be reviewed on a case by case basis, so it's Better(TM)!", which is completely ignoring the fact that one of the features of Title II classification is that while regulation does happen in broad strokes, there is opportunity for decisions to be made case-by-case should they warrant it. I also see no need for the switch, as ISPs seem to have no problems flourishing under the current situation as is. I even recall that you made a big deal over the fact that in your city you had so many options for what ISP you could pick (ignoring the fact that many of them are almost certainly built on the backbone of a much bigger ISP, but that still shows that smaller branched companies are allowed to compete for profit with each other as well as with the Big Boys).

Paragraphs 155 and 158 both introduce something that I personally find kind of scary in the bill, because from the way I'm interpreting it it's basically saying "We have the power to change this, so we're going to and there's nothing you can do to stop us. The reason we're doing this is because there's flimsy evidence that suggests that in the future, innovation MIGHT be hindered, as common logic would suggest." What logic? What innovation? Why the use of such deliberately vague language? (The exact quote I'm referring to is "The amorphous and potentially wide-ranging implications of the Title II-based regulatory framework have hindered (or will likely hinder) marketplace innovation, as the record here indicates and as one logically would expect."

That's all I can be assed to come up with for now, because, again, I've been hopping back and forth between typing this and studying for an Applied Calculus final, but that's literally only halfway through the document and I'm sure that there are a lot more examples that I could dig up in the back half if I checked again
 
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You had a great post until it just straight up devolved into fearmongering, personal attacks, and straight up misinformation. Throttling, blocking, and whatever aren't permitted by the proposal, which specifically says will not be allowed, and it even listed services like Netflix by name.

I removed the colorfully offensive language so as not to step on any more toes than I already am by daring to advocate for this proposal.

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I guess its the illegal content people that are worried about. Since it says nothing about not blocking or throtlling illegal content. It only prohibits blocking legal content, not the illegal ones. Which means they can throttle those sites. Which sites will fall under illegal content? They can probably classify sites like GBATemp as illegal content (or at least the can try to). The problem is wording and people always find a way around it. And have done so throughout law history.
It'll probably be the same as rom sites, them trying to fight it and people defend their sites. But this time ISP's will have greater control with the Net Neutrality barrier off.

The thing is we don't know what will happen, but are we willing to risk it. What is a better choice? To not risk it and keep Net Neutrality and keep a piece of mind.
Or to remove it and hope for the best knowing their is a possibility they can throttle certain sites. It seems in this situation keeping Net Neutrality is the better of the two. The problem is wording and interpretation. They can words things in ways that can be deceiving.

I wish I was able to research more on this topic but I have school and finals to do.
 
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It's a win win situation for humanity either way. Internet stays intact then the truth will keep spreading as it has been for the last 20 years or so. There are more unplugged (matrix reference) people today than ever because of the internet. If they destroy the internet then people will leave their computers and start spreading truth more actively in their communities. So truth wins regardless.

You've never been in a "Conservative" neighborhood have you? Truth does not spread there... Only isolationism and hate.
 
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Alright hold up, the paragraphs you're linking have nothing at all to do with what you listed, and I'm not saying this as some smug cunt shit, I'm saying this because I think there's a discrepancy here. Are you getting your paragraphs from http://transition.fcc.gov/Daily_Releases/Daily_Business/2017/db1122/DOC-347927A1.pdf like I am? If so, can you screenshot them or something with Sharex/Puush/whatever you use? You don't even have to put them in the post, just put them as an imgur link or something. I have a fucking massive post (we're talking like 6 pages in formatting, counting the images of course) breaking down the paragraphs you mention but before I post it and royally deflower this virgin page's formatting I wanna ensure we're on the same page, literally.

You've never been in a "Conservative" neighborhood have you? Truth does not spread there... Only isolationism and hate.
Let's not resort to marking off an entire political group by their moronic extremists, or in the case of centrists, outliers. I'm sure you wouldn't want me marking off all the centrists and liberals as nihilists and hypocritical manchildren.

I guess its the illegal content people that are worried about. Since it says nothing about not blocking or throtlling illegal content. It only prohibits blocking legal content, not the illegal ones. Which means they can throttle those sites. Which sites will fall under illegal content? They can probably classify sites like GBATemp as illegal content (or at least the can try to). The problem is wording and people always find a way around it. And have done so throughout law history.
It'll probably be the same as rom sites, them trying to fight it and people defend their sites. But this time ISP's will have greater control with the Net Neutrality barrier off.

The thing is we don't know what will happen, but are we willing to risk it. What is a better choice? To not risk it and keep Net Neutrality and keep a piece of mind.
Or to remove it and hope for the best knowing their is a possibility they can throttle certain sites. It seems in this situation keeping Net Neutrality is the better of the two. The problem is wording and interpretation. They can words things in ways that can be deceiving.

I wish I was able to research more on this topic but I have school and finals to do.
They can try to, and then one lawsuit by the FTC/FCC when made aware of it says otherwise. Hacking a device you own is not illegal. It may violate some EULAs and shit (not that literally any person here -- myself included -- reads those or cares about them) but it's not violating the law. The supreme court actually ruled this when apple tried to make it illegal to jailbreak your phone. Thank FUCK it's not illegal. If that were you can bet your ass I'd be screeching and protesting with everyone else just for that alone. However, it's not. So there's nothing to worry about in that regard. "Are we willing to risk it?" I mean, when you let fear override your logic, are you ever willing to risk anything?

I've posted a snippet that said AT&T wanted to make it so we could never go back to Title II, and the proposal literally states that it finds such a movement unnecessarily preventative. I forget the specific wording but it's some artsy fartsy legal jargon that basically means "completely unnecessarily cock blocky." When the "sold out shill" FTC is telling their "big boss ISPs" to fuck off, and is actively shittalking their suggestions in their proposal, and saying that while they don't see a need to with the new proposals, they do 100% intend to go back to them if they're shown to be ineffective, or even harmful, I think it's safe to say they're not as bought out as people claim they are.

Look man, I get there's a lot of peer pressure going around, but don't let these people scare the shit out of you. Don't worry about this stuff based on something someone tells you to worry about. Think for yourself from the information presented. I linked the PDF that has the stuff in this image (https://i.imgur.com/BZZG6lN.png) that should hopefully quell your fears a bit.
 
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Let's not resort to marking off an entire political group by their moronic extremists, or in the case of centrists, outliers. I'm sure you wouldn't want me marking off all the centrists and liberals as nihilists and hypocritical manchildren.

I'm not talking about the political group of conservatives. I'm talking about the people who "Well this is how it's always been and should be!" groups. That doesn't matter religion/political or anything like that. It's usually small neighborhoods where people are afraid of new ideas... or even new people coming into town. It breeds isolation and hate. As a military brat, I HAVE lived in such places.
 
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We need postal neutrality. It shouldn't matter what I ship or how far. I should be able to mail 50lbs of Christmas presents same as a regular letter. The government needs to shut down this pay-to-play system of favoritism and upcharges for faster delivery. Everyone deserves priority service and tracking without having to spend any extra. The post office isn't going to regulate itself!
 
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We need postal neutrality. It shouldn't matter what I ship or how far. I should be able to mail 50lbs of Christmas presents same as a regular letter. The government needs to shut down this pay-to-play system of favoritism and upcharges for faster delivery. Everyone deserves priority service and tracking without having to spend any extra. The post office isn't going to regulate itself!
Puts this into perspective imo
 
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Well, tomorrow night's the night of the vote, and to be honest with you guys, I'm not seeing much in the way of hope, what with the 3 voters agains 2 who oppose the net neutrality being scrapped.

EDIT: Made a mistake regarding the time.
 
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Alright hold up, the paragraphs you're linking have nothing at all to do with what you listed, and I'm not saying this as some smug cunt shit, I'm saying this because I think there's a discrepancy here. Are you getting your paragraphs from http://transition.fcc.gov/Daily_Releases/Daily_Business/2017/db1122/DOC-347927A1.pdf like I am? If so, can you screenshot them or something with Sharex/Puush/whatever you use? You don't even have to put them in the post, just put them as an imgur link or something. I have a fucking massive post (we're talking like 6 pages in formatting, counting the images of course) breaking down the paragraphs you mention but before I post it and royally deflower this virgin page's formatting I wanna ensure we're on the same page, literally.
Well heck, would'ya look at that, I was looking at a draft from April for the stuff that came before "paragraphs 147-154." I had a copy saved on my phone from a while back and I didn't realize I was looking at the wrong one, the rest was done with the current document though when I switched over to a PC. However, that almost makes things more telling knowing the drafting process that the current bill underwent, because while you have something like paragraph 216 in the current proposal that says "We specifically require all ISPs to disclose [blocking, throttling, affiliated prioritization, paid prioritization, etc] (which again states only that ISPs have to disclose their activities, not that there would be any form of consequence for them if they imposed such actions), the April draft says, under considerations for paid prioritization, "The ban on paid prioritization did not exist prior to the Title II Order and even then the record evidence confirmed that no such rule was needed since several large Internet service providers made it clear that that [sic] they did not engage in paid prioritization and had no plans to do so. We seek comment on the continued need for such a rule and our authority to retain it." I found this worrysome when reading the draft, but absolutely damning when you apply that language to the current proposal, because when viewed through that lens, it would appear as though the authors of the proposal are deliberately trying to create an environment in which it is acceptable for ISPs to serve content to their consumer at whatever speed and consistency they want, as long as a) the speeds are advertised, b) the price is reasonable for the prices in the area and you aren't (as suggested by anti-competition laws, although under-the-table deals could potentially skirt those), and c) you advertise that your company is offering a "tiered" service where "if you don't use certain websites, you can get your plan for cheaper!*"

As a side note, I don't understand what your disgust of using media sources as opinion forming tools in this context is. There is virtually no incentive for anyone to lie about the severity and implications of this proposal, and while you're at it you also get the added benefit of reading something by someone who quite literally gets paid to scour documents like this for inconsistencies
 
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However, it's not. So there's nothing to worry about in that regard. "Are we willing to risk it?" I mean, when you let fear override your logic, are you ever willing to risk anything?
The more logical approach will be to go for the safer option, instead of the risk taking, something you know is guaranteed. Fear can keep you alive. If your scared of a poisonous snake then you won't go near it and risk death. So not only you feel fear but its also logical, don't go near it to stay alive.

We know what its like to have Net Neutrality.
So the question is what would be the benefits of removing Net Neutrality? And if those benefits exceeds having Net Neutrality.
If there is no benefits then why remove it? They say they can't throttle web sites, but don't we already have that with net neutrality. So why not keep it?
Do you want Net Neutrality removed and why? Arguments for removing it have been less government regulation. So what are your reasons?

I usually don't go for peer pressure. But the thing is I don't know whats going on, as i'm in the blank about this, so there is no fear from me just concern.
And theres nothing wrong with a little concern if you don't know whats going on, it keeps you interested in the topic.
 
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We need postal neutrality. It shouldn't matter what I ship or how far. I should be able to mail 50lbs of Christmas presents same as a regular letter. The government needs to shut down this pay-to-play system of favoritism and upcharges for faster delivery. Everyone deserves priority service and tracking without having to spend any extra. The post office isn't going to regulate itself!
tfw the US postal service actually is a government-affiliated program that regulates itself heavily and has restrictions on what it can and can't do to protect the privacy of the people who take advantage of it, and that the money used for shipping actually covers cost of transport and storage of sensitive packages, particularly if it involves going through customs, and how that analogy has no affiliation in any way with how ISPs distribute content other than the fact that they have to put cable in the ground and that the content and size of a file shouldn't affect the average speed at which it gets to you unless the network is overloaded
 
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tfw the US postal service actually is a government-affiliated program that regulates itself heavily and has restrictions on what it can and can't do to protect the privacy of the people who take advantage of it, and that the money used for shipping actually covers cost of transport and storage of sensitive packages, particularly if it involves going through customs, and how that analogy has no affiliation in any way with how ISPs distribute content other than the fact that they have to put cable in the ground and that the content and size of a file shouldn't affect the average speed at which it gets to you unless the network is overloaded
TFW you take a joke post and turn it into something super serious.
 
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Well heck, would'ya look at that, I was looking at a draft from April for the stuff that came before "paragraphs 147-154." I had a copy saved on my phone from a while back and I didn't realize I was looking at the wrong one, the rest was done with the current document though when I switched over to a PC. However, that almost makes things more telling knowing the drafting process that the current bill underwent, because while you have something like paragraph 216 in the current proposal that says "We specifically require all ISPs to disclose [blocking, throttling, affiliated prioritization, paid prioritization, etc] (which again states only that ISPs have to disclose their activities, not that there would be any form of consequence for them if they imposed such actions), the April draft says, under considerations for paid prioritization, "The ban on paid prioritization did not exist prior to the Title II Order and even then the record evidence confirmed that no such rule was needed since several large Internet service providers made it clear that that [sic] they did not engage in paid prioritization and had no plans to do so. We seek comment on the continued need for such a rule and our authority to retain it." I found this worrysome when reading the draft, but absolutely damning when you apply that language to the current proposal, because when viewed through that lens, it would appear as though the authors of the proposal are deliberately trying to create an environment in which it is acceptable for ISPs to serve content to their consumer at whatever speed and consistency they want, as long as a) the speeds are advertised, b) the price is reasonable for the prices in the area and you aren't (as suggested by anti-competition laws, although under-the-table deals could potentially skirt those), and c) you advertise that your company is offering a "tiered" service where "if you don't use certain websites, you can get your plan for cheaper!*"

As a side note, I don't understand what your disgust of using media sources as opinion forming tools in this context is. There is virtually no incentive for anyone to lie about the severity and implications of this proposal, and while you're at it you also get the added benefit of reading something by someone who quite literally gets paid to scour documents like this for inconsistencies
I've already posted that disclosing it is required, as is that they *don't* throttle legal content. Again, refer to https://i.imgur.com/H4WDGNK.png. Comcast, AT&T, Verizon, Cox, Frontier, and evidently more have committed to not throttling/blocking content, and will be held to that by the FTC and FCC, should they break it, they will be challenged.

That's the other thing too, this bill was being revised through criticism and comments by people. Voices in this do matter, but only the informed ones. This brings me to your last comment. My disgust with the media's representation of this is wholly justified. I don't care if I don't have a clear incentive from them or not -- there's no clear incentive for the FCC and FTC to support rules that would limit ISPs and their shit behavior being added and yet not enforce them, or let ISPs do whatever anyways, yet clearly you fear that will happen anyways.

As for my actual dislike, I don't know how you *can't* be mad at websites for shitty, dishonest articles like this:
https://www.freepress.net/blog/2017/04/25/net-neutrality-violations-brief-history
https://gizmodo.com/fcc-chairman-is-laughing-at-americans-who-dont-want-to-1795193063
https://gizmodo.com/leaked-video-shows-fcc-chair-ajit-pai-roasting-himself-1821134881
https://gizmodo.com/heres-the-fccs-plan-to-kill-net-neutrality-1820683360 (this one ESPECIALLY. Links the fucking document yet says he's killing net neutrality like a blanket statement and won't explain what rules of his are doing so or how. Fuck this stupid shit.)

Granted using Gizmodo is a bit cheaty but it's different writers for each one (two of them share one however) so whatever
My disgust is also rightfully aimed at numerous twitter users -- from the "e-celebs" like fourscore making stupid, fallacious posts about how the internet will become a tiered-package nightmare full of blocking and throttling -- things specifically prevented by the proposal -- to the verified nutjobs spamming that stupid "If you're not outraged, you're not informed" shit while screaming about how awful Ajit Pai is (like one guy is somehow singlehandedly responsible for an entire commission working together for a proposal -- just as they have before) and talking about how everyone needs to be outraged to kill this proposal that they (and their followers) haven't read because they're are also part of the problem. It's all fucking outrage after outrage with these idiots with no intellect. No one sits and thinks about what parts of the bill propose to kill what. No one even fucking reads it! How can you not understand my disgust when there's people who clearly are only committed to the outrage of this debate, and not the factual discussion or arguments in it?

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Well, tomorrow night's the night of the vote, and to be honest with you guys, I'm not seeing much in the way of hope, what with the 3 voters agains 2 who oppose the net neutrality being scrapped.

EDIT: Made a mistake regarding the time.
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I've already posted that disclosing it is required, as is that they *don't* throttle legal content. Again, refer to https://i.imgur.com/H4WDGNK.png. Comcast, AT&T, Verizon, Cox, Frontier, and evidently more have committed to not throttling/blocking content, and will be held to that by the FTC and FCC, should they break it, they will be challenged.

That's the other thing too, this bill was being revised through criticism and comments by people. Voices in this do matter, but only the informed ones. This brings me to your last comment. My disgust with the media's representation of this is wholly justified. I don't care if I don't have a clear incentive from them or not -- there's no clear incentive for the FCC and FTC to support rules that would limit ISPs and their shit behavior being added and yet not enforce them, or let ISPs do whatever anyways, yet clearly you fear that will happen anyways.

As for my actual dislike, I don't know how you *can't* be mad at websites for shitty, dishonest articles like this:
https://www.freepress.net/blog/2017/04/25/net-neutrality-violations-brief-history
https://gizmodo.com/fcc-chairman-is-laughing-at-americans-who-dont-want-to-1795193063
https://gizmodo.com/leaked-video-shows-fcc-chair-ajit-pai-roasting-himself-1821134881
https://gizmodo.com/heres-the-fccs-plan-to-kill-net-neutrality-1820683360 (this one ESPECIALLY. Links the fucking document yet says he's killing net neutrality like a blanket statement and won't explain what rules of his are doing so or how. Fuck this stupid shit.)

Granted using Gizmodo is a bit cheaty but it's different writers for each one (two of them share one however) so whatever
My disgust is also rightfully aimed at numerous twitter users -- from the "e-celebs" like fourscore making stupid, fallacious posts about how the internet will become a tiered-package nightmare full of blocking and throttling -- things specifically prevented by the proposal -- to the verified nutjobs spamming that stupid "If you're not outraged, you're not informed" shit while screaming about how awful Ajit Pai is (like one guy is somehow singlehandedly responsible for an entire commission working together for a proposal -- just as they have before) and talking about how everyone needs to be outraged to kill this proposal that they (and their followers) haven't read because they're are also part of the problem. It's all fucking outrage after outrage with these idiots with no intellect. No one sits and thinks about what parts of the bill propose to kill what. No one even fucking reads it! How can you not understand my disgust when there's people who clearly are only committed to the outrage of this debate, and not the factual discussion or arguments in it?

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I bet anything sites like GBA Temp may be affected, you're not in the least worried about that:?
 
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I've already posted that disclosing it is required, as is that they *don't* throttle legal content. Again, refer to https://i.imgur.com/H4WDGNK.png. Comcast, AT&T, Verizon, Cox, Frontier, and evidently more have committed to not throttling/blocking content, and will be held to that by the FTC and FCC, should they break it, they will be challenged.

That's the other thing too, this bill was being revised through criticism and comments by people. Voices in this do matter, but only the informed ones. This brings me to your last comment. My disgust with the media's representation of this is wholly justified. I don't care if I don't have a clear incentive from them or not -- there's no clear incentive for the FCC and FTC to support rules that would limit ISPs and their shit behavior being added and yet not enforce them, or let ISPs do whatever anyways, yet clearly you fear that will happen anyways.

As for my actual dislike, I don't know how you *can't* be mad at websites for shitty, dishonest articles like this:
https://www.freepress.net/blog/2017/04/25/net-neutrality-violations-brief-history
https://gizmodo.com/fcc-chairman-is-laughing-at-americans-who-dont-want-to-1795193063
https://gizmodo.com/leaked-video-shows-fcc-chair-ajit-pai-roasting-himself-1821134881
https://gizmodo.com/heres-the-fccs-plan-to-kill-net-neutrality-1820683360 (this one ESPECIALLY. Links the fucking document yet says he's killing net neutrality like a blanket statement and won't explain what rules of his are doing so or how. Fuck this stupid shit.)

Granted using Gizmodo is a bit cheaty but it's different writers for each one (two of them share one however) so whatever
My disgust is also rightfully aimed at numerous twitter users -- from the "e-celebs" like fourscore making stupid, fallacious posts about how the internet will become a tiered-package nightmare full of blocking and throttling -- things specifically prevented by the proposal -- to the verified nutjobs spamming that stupid "If you're not outraged, you're not informed" shit while screaming about how awful Ajit Pai is (like one guy is somehow singlehandedly responsible for an entire commission working together for a proposal -- just as they have before) and talking about how everyone needs to be outraged to kill this proposal that they (and their followers) haven't read because they're are also part of the problem. It's all fucking outrage after outrage with these idiots with no intellect. No one sits and thinks about what parts of the bill propose to kill what. No one even fucking reads it! How can you not understand my disgust when there's people who clearly are only committed to the outrage of this debate, and not the factual discussion or arguments in it?

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post party music

STOP CHANGING YOUR PFP... rawr

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I bet anything sites like GBA Temp may be affected, you're not in the least worried about that:?

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I bet anything sites like GBA Temp may be affected, you're not in the least worried about that:?
Okay, bet your left shoe buddy.

What does GBATemp have on it that will be illegal? It's GBATemp, not GBATempt.

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