Net Neutrality: what it is, and why you should care

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UPDATE: It's been voted for repeal. The FCC took Net Neutrality to a vote, and it was 3-2, in favor of repeal. This doesn't mean overnight upheaval, but things will certainly change, for better or worse, in due time.
If you've been on the internet at all the past week, there's a high chance that you've heard of something called "Net Neutrality", and you've also likely heard that there might be huge changes to your usage of the internet entirely. This post serves as a quick information briefing on what Net Neutrality is, what could happen if it's repealed, and the current events going on regarding it, and just general visibility to let the community in general be informed.

What is this Net Neutrality thing?


The basic definition of network neutrality is simple: all internet traffic is considered and treated equally. It was established just a bit under three years ago, in February 2015. It prevented companies like Comcast Xfinity and AT&T U-verse from speeding up, or slowing down certain sites based upon content. If you remember, back in July 2017, mobile provider Verizon admitted to targeting Netflix traffic, and specifically throttling it, negatively affecting customers' use of Netflix. Going back to 2014, there were also issues with Comcast customers, and, that's right, Netflix users, as connections to Netflix were notoriously slow. Netflix then entered a legal deal with Comcast, in order to have Netflix connections be faster than they previously were. The 2014 incident was pre-net neutrality, and shows that before the law was enacted, certain sites like Netflix were indeed slowed, and had to specifically bargain with large telecommunication monopolies like Comcast to get fair speeds out to their customers.

In April 2017, the chairman of the Federal Communications Commission (FCC), Ajit Pai, revealed that he had plans to repeal net neutrality. It's worth noting that Pai was once the Associate General Counsel of Verizon Communications, an incredibly high up position with an ISP, who we've stated before as having throttled websites in the past.

Pai's statements on the matter included saying such things as "[the government] would be able to stop micromanaging the internet" and that the FCC and internet service providers would simply have to be "transparent about their practices so that consumers can buy a service plan that's best for them". Shortly after, Comcast began vocally supporting these statements, claiming that government regulation of the internet has been harming innovation and investments of Comcast. David Cohen, the company's Chief Diversity Officer, said that "customers would be clearly informed on our practices [...] Comcast maintains that it does and will not block, throttle, or discriminate against lawful content".

Within the movement for repealing net neutrality, also comes with power being given to the Federal Trade Commission. The FTC would then have the ability to legally charge internet service providers that were not made clear to customers.

You may notice, that within any of the claims made by Pai or Comcast, that equal traffic was never made the focus, instead putting emphasis on making sure these monopolies must be clear and transparent about what they do, but never laying down any solid rules about what they need to be transparent about or why. And, of course, if the FTC were to go after AT&T, Comcast, Verizon, Time Warner, or other assorted companies for not being transparent, these legal cases would find themselves taking years to make their way to court, allowing for them to have their way with their customers until a definitive legal ruling. Therein lies the first batch of unease and controversy with the repeal.

In short, net neutrality is a fairly new regulation, which allows for equal traffic between all sites while using the internet. The chairman of the FCC and former higher-up of Verizon wants to repeal it, however. This would allow less government interference with ISPs, but would also allow those ISPs to do what they wish, so long as they're "transparent".

Does repealing Net Neutrality have any benefits?

Spoiler alert: not really

From the inception of the internet, and up until 2015, Americans have gone without net neutrality. Ajit Pai claims that should we not have net neutrality anymore, more rural areas would be able to have more companies and providers, and it would allow for more competition and choice for the consumer. However, these smaller companies would also have to fight it out with established services, with years of experience and infrastructure refinements.

As a side note, I've spent thirty minutes researching a potential "pro" argument. I've not found many that seem reasonable. I've listed in the spoiler tag below arguments from other websites and blogs.

Green Garage Blog: While net neutrality allows for freedom of speech, the downside is that almost anything can be posted to the internet. This means that the cruelest or insensitive information imaginable can end up on the internet, and as a result, it can cause a lot of problems from people that otherwise wouldn’t be prone to being under the microscope of criticism. This means that people can post cruel, intimidating, or other harassing messages and often get away with it thanks to free speech legislation. So it can be a very toxic environment for a lot of people to put up with.

Vittana: Reduced income from internet uses limits infrastructure improvements.
There are certain businesses and high-use individuals who consume large amounts of bandwidth every month. If net neutrality was removed, these high-level consumers would be asked to pay more for what they consume. This added income could then be used to upgrade the infrastructure of each internet service provider, making it possible for advanced fiber networks to be installed in many communities.

AEI: But in many instances, fast lanes, zero-rating, and the like benefit customers. In separate research, both former FCC Chief Economist Michael Katz (with Ben Hermalin) and I (with Janice Hauge) showed that fast lanes benefit small content providers in their attempts to compete with established industry leaders. AEI scholar Roslyn Layton has shown that elderly and low-income consumers benefit from zero-rating services.

Basically, the only benefit would be if America's current economy wasn't dominated by monopolistic ISPs. Below is an interview with Ajit Pai, showing his perspective.


Scrapping these rules, Pai told Reason's Nick Gillespie, won't harm consumers or the public interest because there was no reason for them in the first place. The rationales were mere "phantoms that were conjured up by people who wanted the FCC for political reasons to overregulate the internet," Pai told Gillespie. "We were not living in a digital dystopia in the years leading up to 2015."

If left in place, however, the Title II rules could harm the commercial internet, which Pai described as "one of the most incredible free market innovations in history."

"Companies like Google and Facebook and Netflix became household names precisely because we didn't have the government micromanaging how the internet would operate," said Pai, who noted that the Clinton-era decision not to regulate the Internet like a phone utility or a broadcast network was one of the most important factors in the rise of our new economy.

Pai also pushed back against claims that he's a right-wing radical who's "fucking things up."

"[I ascribe to] the very radical, right-wing position that the Clinton administration basically got it right when it came to digital infrastructure."


What happens if/when this gets repealed, and what does this mean for you?


The worst part of this, is that there's no definitive answer of what WILL happen, only what CAN happen. What has people concerned, though, is the potential things that larger ISPs can do with this new power, should net neutrality be repealed. Internet service providers could slow access to specific sites, and speed up others, in theory, others specifically being sites who pay ISPs for faster access, and those partnered or in contracts with ISPs. Websites like Google, Amazon, Reddit, Etsy, Netflix, and many more have all broadcast their support of net neutrality, stating that without these rules in place thanks to net neutrality, internet providers would become gatekeepers to the internet, restricting what customers can see. Without definitive government restrictions, these companies could be free to split access to the internet into packages, like cable TV, indeed making true on the intention of lowering the cost of internet access, but also making it more difficult and expensive to see all of the internet, as you can right now.

Likely, what will happen, though everything is up in the air, is that certain ISPs will utilize what's called "fast lanes" and "zero rating". Fast lanes are sort of like what we talked about at the start, with Netflix and Comcast. Currently, these fast lanes and zero rating are used with mobile phone data. AT&T customers can watch DirecTV (owned by AT&T) via their mobile data, without it counting towards their monthly cap. These rules could be applied to home internet as well; if you're a Comcast user, and you want to watch Hulu (owned by NBC-Universal-Comcast), maybe your connection to Hulu will be lightning fast, thanks to these theoretical fast lanes, and they won't go towards your Comcast monthly 1 Terabyte home cap. But what if you want to watch Netflix? Either Netflix will have much lower picture quality, or take a longer time to connect to. And if Netflix pays a fee, or gets into a contract once again with Comcast, then that potentially means that Netflix's increased costs move down to the consumer, who also now has to pay more for a service as well.

What can we do?


The only thing left to do is let your voice be heard. Social media has exploded without people decrying the impending repeal of net neutrality, and the negatives that it would entail, to the point of where the majority of Reddit has been plastered with net neutrality posts.

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The FCC will take the repeal to a vote on December 14, 2017. It is highly predicted that the repeal will pass, and net neutrality will come to an end. Millions have taken to the site "battleforthenet" and "callmycongress" to contact their local representatives and congressmen in order to show that American citizens don't want net neutrality destroyed.

You can learn more at the links below. Hopefully this is helpful in describing what net neutrality is, and why it shouldn't be taken away.

:arrow:Techcrunch: These are the arguments against net neutrality and why they're wrong

:arrow: Extra Credits: What a closed internet means

:arrow:Phillip DeFranco: The Internet is under attack

:arrow:Save the internet: What you need to know


:arrow:Ars Technica: RIP net neutrality
 

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kids starving no one bats an eye
internet under attack everyone looses there minds
That's not true exactly, it's just that it's been happening for so long that we've been desensitized to it, while net neutrality is a less than decade-old issue
"nobody bats eye".. That's such a crock of shit. Food drives, food banks, fundraising... Sod off with the child Hunger bullshit. You can't fix a problem caused by over exerting your resources.
Exactly. However, we actually do have more than enough resources on the planet to feed everyone, the issue is a) reaching those people, and b) the people who control the largest inventory aren't what you'd describe as "generous" or "charitable"

That's all wildly offtopic, though
 
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are you brain dead? then again congress doesn't give a fuck bout the citizens US politics 101 as my 12th Grade Government teacher always said
If congress doesn't care what people think, me telling them to vote yes shouldn't bother you. Neither should me supporting a beneficial bill for the internet.
 

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If congress doesn't care what people think, me telling them to vote yes shouldn't bother you. Neither should me supporting a beneficial bill for the internet.
I still don't understand how you can think this bill is beneficial. And yes, I responded to your earlier post listing the "benefits"
 
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I still don't understand how you can think this bill is beneficial. And yes, I responded to your earlier post listing the "benefits"
"I still don't understand how you can think the bill that says throttling of any content will be treated as an antitrust violation and that blocking, censoring, and so on will not be permitted under any circumstances is beneficial, and yes, I attacked the validity of antitrust despite the head of the FTC -- who would literally be prosecuting any ISP and their offenses in this proposal -- being an ex-chief antitrust enforcer thus rendering every "benefit" null and void...somehow."

Well okay man, that's like, your opinion.
 
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"I still don't understand how you can think the bill that says throttling of any content will be treated as an antitrust violation and that blocking, censoring, and so on will not be permitted under any circumstances is beneficial, and yes, I attacked the validity of antitrust despite the head of the FTC -- who would literally be prosecuting any ISP and their offenses in this proposal -- being an ex-chief antitrust enforcer thus rendering every "benefit" null and void...somehow."

Well okay man, that's like, your opinion.
I literally responded to that specific thing you just said, you just have to look at the reply you've been ignoring until now

Unless you just want me to link you, which I will happily do
 
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The document even says the examples you guys cling to count as antitrust violations and, under this proposal, would be something they could prosecute. The bittorrent thing was never pursued because there were no regulations.

Seriously dude, read the proposal. It's only 201 pages. I was reading shit like twice that in fifth grade and up. If you actually legitimately care about the proposal and it's repercussion, stop relying on biased websites and summaries, and read the entire thing. It cites numerous sources, lawsuits, and gives all sorts of context to the "controversial" stances. Until you actively read the document, or at least try to read it to a certain extent (CTRL+Fing for specific phrases to see their stance is fine imo so long as you check for multiple stances) you have no right to consider yourself educated enough on the topic to have a serious debate on it.

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I literally responded to that specific thing you just said, you just have to look at the reply you've been ignoring until now

Unless you just want me to link you, which I will happily do
I've been drained from this argument because you and everyone else who attacks me for my stance don't read the proposal. How can you talk about how catastrophic of a proposal this is when you haven't even read it? Until you make an attempt to give me something vaguely resembling effort and a respect of the topic at hand, I refuse to debate with you further as you are clearly uninformed and a reasonable debate cannot be gathered, nor can a reasonable solution.
 
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Welp, since the discussion is basically fucked at the moment, mostly because of me, I'd like to shift the topic a slight bit to something that can hopefully calm everyone down and bring some more civility to this.

What are you guys planning to do while you wait for a resolution on the vote? I'm planning to go through Daikatana for like the second time.
 

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I've been drained from this argument because you and everyone else who attacks me for my stance don't read the proposal. How can you talk about how catastrophic of a proposal this is when you haven't even read it? Until you make an attempt to give me something vaguely resembling effort and a respect of the topic at hand, I refuse to debate with you further as you are clearly uninformed and a reasonable debate cannot be gathered, nor can a reasonable solution.
What debate? As far as I'm concerned, the bulk of our interaction has been me trying to get a grasp on your position (admittedly, in a sometimes sarcastic fashion, but that's just kind of how I communicate at times), and you've only recently begun to deliver on even that, before hand it was literally just stuff like "This'll be a good thing lmao kids". You then counter with "well I said [link to original post]", "read the bill", or "lmao what are you 12? Learn to argue." (And, for what it's worth, no, I have not study read the bill because it's finals week at my college and I really need to apply my time towards studying, but YES, I have skimmed and ctrl+Fed the proposal and I feel l have a decent grasp on it). @Xzi or I then respond with something along the lines of "Ok, but this has happened before, we've seen the results" and I have SPECIFICALLY asked you why antitrust laws have failed to keep ISPs in check, to which you still haven't responded

So, to recap my view in the most calm and repetitious way possible, since that's the only obvious way to go about this, I will state again:
This bill is full of text that implies that it is policy, but are really just excuses for the creation of the proposition in the first place. The most egregious example is the one that you conveniently just provided, that essentially says "these instances didn't need to fall under Title II regulations because they technically fall under anti-trust violations, which are regulated by the FTC." However, I will again ask that if that is indeed the case, why is it that said laws failed to prevent ISPs from throttling and blocking content pre-2015, when the Obama administration placed them under the Title II classification? And why is it that after said classification occurred, the issue has been largely taken care of? The only conclusion I can come to, which appears to be backed up by what I've read, is that the FTC is a lot more limited in terms of what it can do to regulate telecommunications providers, but I may be mistaken, which is why I have, on two occasions now, asked why you think this proposal is in any way a positive change, in hopes of getting an answer that you have not yet given me. If you want to now, though, I'm all ears
 
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What debate? As far as I'm concerned, the bulk of our interaction has been me trying to get a grasp on your position (admittedly, in a sometimes sarcastic fashion, but that's just kind of how I communicate at times), and you've only recently begun to deliver on even that, before hand it was literally just stuff like "This'll be a good thing lmao kids". You then counter with "well I said [link to original post]", "read the bill", or "lmao what are you 12? Learn to argue." (And, for what it's worth, no, I have not study read the bill because it's finals week at my college and I really need to apply my time towards studying, but YES, I have skimmed and ctrl+Fed the proposal and I feel l have a decent grasp on it). @Xzi or I then respond with something along the lines of "Ok, but this has happened before, we've seen the results" and I have SPECIFICALLY asked you why antitrust laws have failed to keep ISPs in check, to which you still haven't responded

So, to recap my view in the most calm and repetitious way possible, since that's the only obvious way to go about this, I will state again:
This bill is full of text that implies that it is policy, but are really just excuses for the creation of the proposition in the first place. The most egregious example is the one that you conveniently just provided, that essentially says "these instances didn't need to fall under Title II regulations because they technically fall under anti-trust violations, which are regulated by the FTC." However, I will again ask that if that is indeed the case, why is it that said laws failed to prevent ISPs from throttling and blocking content pre-2015, when the Obama administration placed them under the Title II classification? And why is it that after said classification occurred, the issue has been largely taken care of? The only conclusion I can come to, which appears to be backed up by what I've read, is that the FTC is a lot more limited in terms of what it can do to regulate telecommunications providers, but I may be mistaken, which is why I have, on two occasions now, asked why you think this proposal is in any way a positive change, in hopes of getting an answer that you have not yet given me. If you want to now, though, I'm all ears
>For what it's worth, I have not read the bill
Sorry, your opinion of the bill officially does not matter. I'm not having any debate with you on the benficial/malicious repercussions of the bill until you actually sit down and read. I take back what I said about the CTRL+F shit because up until now I don't think you've actually read the bill, you just skimmed around for specific phrases that are mentioned and didn't read the paragraphs that use them, hence why you still haven't seen why I believe it's beneficial. Someone who's so caught up in finals that they can't read a bill but can evidently find the time to bitch about it clearly has the time to actually read the bill and is only making excuses. That time you spend in outrage is time you could spend educating yourself, because right now the longer you rant and rave on topics you're ignorant on, the larger you make the problem of disingenuous manchildren like @Xzi spreading misinformation and propaganda about how awful things are despite no real education on the matter.

So to respond to your recap, you can't tell me you haven't read the bill and then tell me what it's supposedly "full of." Which one is it? Have you read the bill and thus know what it's full of, or have you not read it and are just making up statements or going off on stupid shit you've heard from sites like Gizmodo? Of course I'm gonna keep telling you to read my post because with every single reply on the matter it's become increasingly evident you're only skimming them, because I've caught you missing several points I've argued now. @Xzi at least had the balls to tell me he's refusing to acknowledge arguments he doesn't want to refute.

If the FTC is limited, but the proposal allows the FTC and FCC to *both* regulate the internet, how exactly is it that this is a bad thing? You keep arguing that the bill is not beneficial, so I'd like to see some evidence to support this. I'd like some actual citations from the bill. I don't give a shit what any other website says. Show me where the bill says it's removing all the rules and won't have regulations on something actually legitimately negative, IE where it's going to allow the throttling people swear it will (that it actually won't) or that the bill is in some way terrible, or even negative. I want to remind you of this very important final piece, the piece that specifically states that the FCC basically thinks that AT&T's suggestion to never have any Title II regulations ever again was stupid and that they will not allow it, and that while they disagree with the old regulations, should they need to go back to them after loophole abuse, they will. This proposal is basically "We'll give it a try and see how this works, hopefully the new rules are good, but if not we can tweak as necessary or go back to the old ones" yet everyone acts like Ajit Pai wants to kill the fucking internet and everyone on it.

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I'm not dodging your posts or questions, I'm just tired of repeating myself for 3 fucking pages because some kid can't stop skimming posts and ignoring everything else.
 
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Yes, the vote is happening. Why are you scared? Have you read the bill, or have you only read people freaking out about it and are freaking out because of peer pressure?

Everything sounds good on paper.. Warranties.. Laws.. Certain scientific equations. People are rightly worried about the practice. It's partially fear mongering.. But it IS corporate America that has this power. It IS a PAID source. Paying people off for specific favors isn't unheard of.

Again, fear mongering.. Yada Yada Yada.. But a valid concern.
 
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Everything sounds good on paper.. Warranties.. Laws.. Certain scientific equations. People are rightly worried about the practice. It's partially fear mongering.. But it IS corporate America that has this power. It IS a PAID source. Paying people off for specific favors isn't unheard of.

Again, fear mongering.. Yada Yada Yada.. But a valid concern.
True but like I keep saying the bulk of this fear comes from fear mongering. You don't see this level of concern or even this kind of fear mongering campaign and propaganda for any random law about, say, jaywalking or something. I understand that it's the internet, which will affect a lot more people than just jaywalkers, and that a lot more people in the debate are kids who are ruled by emotion rather than logic, something I can't fault them for as annoying as I find it, but jeez, you'd think SOMEONE would just go "alright, we're all terrified and shit, but why exactly are we terrified? Where does it say this is gonna happen, and when has this happened in history when we didn't have the rules the proposal will remove?"

Like I said. You can find reason to worry about possibility about anything. I could find reason to worry about getting a concussion from waking up and falling in the morning. Sure it's a terrifying thought, but I don't think it's really healthy to worry about it every single day of my life.
 
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Saying it's a bad thing to have more than one goc't entity that can limit dick moves of an ISP to block content as they see fit is like saying the FDA and EPA shouldn't both be able to handle lead in water. The FTC itself doesn't even know what it can do when it comes to anti-competitiveness regarding the internet so I wouldn't put my trust in that agency alone to help end users.

Ajit Pai is a piece of crap that came from Verizon to do just this and will return to Verizon after it is done. Having a free and open internet is considered by many to be a right and this will undercut it based on the greed of businesses. It isn't some vague conspiracy theory that paranoiacs are concocting. There were already trial runs from Comcast and Verizon (and I wouldn't doubt other ISPs) that limited access to specific servers (Netflix being one). This will make it legal for them to effectively block anything they disagree with or want additional money to get access to. Showing your disagreement with your money isn't effective because most of the country only has one or two broadband ISPs in the area and much of that *choice* is going to be covered by a massive company that is more liable to do such tactics.
 
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Saying it's a bad thing to have more than one goc't entity that can limit dick moves of an ISP to block content as they see fit is like saying the FDA and EPA shouldn't both be able to handle lead in water. The FTC itself doesn't even know what it can do when it comes to anti-competitiveness regarding the internet so I wouldn't put my trust in that agency alone to help end users.

Ajit Pai is a piece of crap that came from Verizon to do just this and will return to Verizon after it is done. Having a free and open internet is considered by many to be a right and this will undercut it based on the greed of businesses. It isn't some vague conspiracy theory that paranoiacs are concocting. There were already trial runs from Comcast and Verizon (and I wouldn't doubt other ISPs) that limited access to specific servers (Netflix being one). This will make it legal for them to effectively block anything they disagree with or want additional money to get access to. Showing your disagreement with your money isn't effective because most of the country only has one or two broadband ISPs in the area and much of that *choice* is going to be covered by a massive company that is more liable to do such tactics.
You had a great post until it just straight up devolved into fearmongering, personal attacks, and straight up misinformation. Throttling, blocking, and whatever aren't permitted by the proposal, which specifically says will not be allowed, and it even listed services like Netflix by name.

I removed the colorfully offensive language so as not to step on any more toes than I already am by daring to advocate for this proposal.

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