Need an MP3 Player

[DrKupo]

I am not saying it was ever different. Koreans want Korea made stuff, and they buy that. Always has been this way.

You wish you had $500 to spend on headphones.

I am not saying they are "shit". They are not as good. The iPods are not over rated. They are loved by their users because they are amazing. The number of things they do right is incredible, and the mistakes have all been fixed. The current models are damn near perfect. Apple is not flawless. The ipod, however, is at nearly flawless at this point.

Also, I am not ignorant.

Apple Lossless is the same as all other lossless audio. However, the Ipod does not accept FLAC. My only complaint.

"The fuze has no style. The entire experience of using it sucks.

Your mp3 player is cheap because RND didn't cost as much. The UI was slapt together, it uses off-shelf components, etc."

"
Have fun with whatever hunk of junk you use to listen to music."

Not calling it shit? Right.....

Anyway, since you brought this up, (I am not saying it was ever different. Koreans want Korea made stuff, and they buy that. Always has been this way.)

Lets just say North Americans love what's made in North America, and Korea likes what's made in Korea.

This battle is getting nowhere, because I have no intentions of losing, and neither do you.

If you don't mind that, then I'll stop. If you still want to continue, fine by me.

At no point I called it shit. I'd only qualify as shit if it failed at the task of playing music.

No. North Americans buy Sony products, while Japan only buys Sony products. See, the western world isn't insane. They buy what's best. The Western world does not care where the product was made, long as it is either the cheapest or the best.

I am willing to keep this going as long as you still reply. I always enjoy a reasoned discussion.

 

[Grimalkin]

 

[LagunaCid]

iPods aren't overrated, but sure as fuck they're overpriced.
My Sandisk is superior to an iPod in every way (rockbox FUCK YER), and yet it was half the price of its iPod equivalent.
I suggest getting a Rockbox equivalent mp3 player. When you go rockbox, you never go bacx =p

 

[DrKupo]

iPods aren't overrated, but sure as fuck they're overpriced.
My Sandisk is superior to an iPod in every way (rockbox FUCK YER), and yet it was half the price of its iPod equivalent.
I suggest getting a Rockbox equivalent mp3 player. When you go rockbox, you never go bacx =p

How's the Rockboxx UI? I haven't used it in YEARS, but last time I used it the UI was horrible.

 

[Mei-o]

Face it oj, EVERYONE uses iPod.

But most of the time, they use it like this.

 

[LagunaCid]

iPods aren't overrated, but sure as fuck they're overpriced.
My Sandisk is superior to an iPod in every way (rockbox FUCK YER), and yet it was half the price of its iPod equivalent.
I suggest getting a Rockbox equivalent mp3 player. When you go rockbox, you never go bacx =p

How's the Rockboxx UI? I haven't used it in YEARS, but last time I used it the UI was horrible.

It's been through many revamps. The UI is quite good at the moment, with some fantastic themes.
And the sound quality.... faaaabulous! I personally like the many ways you can adjust your sound with it as well. Songs at 2x speed is also a nice way to kill boredom

And it was fun to have rockbox around to play Gameboy games while I didn't have my DS, hah.

 

[the_joeba]

I recommend one from this list (not an ipod though)
http://www.rockbox.org/manual.shtml
I don't know about the availability of all of them, but Rockbox is such a great os/firmware. It allows my MP3 player (sansa 200) to play movies, and it doesn't have that feature. I would never use it, but it just shows how powerful Rockbox is.

 

[fischju]

Don't be talkin' bout my wonderful Archos 605!

 

[ojsinnerz.]

I am not saying it was ever different. Koreans want Korea made stuff, and they buy that. Always has been this way.

You wish you had $500 to spend on headphones.

I am not saying they are "shit". They are not as good. The iPods are not over rated. They are loved by their users because they are amazing. The number of things they do right is incredible, and the mistakes have all been fixed. The current models are damn near perfect. Apple is not flawless. The ipod, however, is at nearly flawless at this point.

Also, I am not ignorant.

Apple Lossless is the same as all other lossless audio. However, the Ipod does not accept FLAC. My only complaint.

"The fuze has no style. The entire experience of using it sucks.

Your mp3 player is cheap because RND didn't cost as much. The UI was slapt together, it uses off-shelf components, etc."

"
Have fun with whatever hunk of junk you use to listen to music."

Not calling it shit? Right.....

Anyway, since you brought this up, (I am not saying it was ever different. Koreans want Korea made stuff, and they buy that. Always has been this way.)

Lets just say North Americans love what's made in North America, and Korea likes what's made in Korea.

This battle is getting nowhere, because I have no intentions of losing, and neither do you.

If you don't mind that, then I'll stop. If you still want to continue, fine by me.

At no point I called it shit. I'd only qualify as shit if it failed at the task of playing music.

No. North Americans buy Sony products, while Japan only buys Sony products. See, the western world isn't insane. They buy what's best. The Western world does not care where the product was made, long as it is either the cheapest or the best.

I am willing to keep this going as long as you still reply. I always enjoy a reasoned discussion.

True, you didn't say it was shit, but it sounds like you're completely thinking it was a worthless products. These companies also take time, and make investments to make a fine product, and sell it. It's not just Apple. These guys try to make money too.

Also, Why does Iaudiophile.com, Anythingbutipod.com and these kinds of sites exist? These two sites may be a global thing, but I haven't seen any Koreans, or Japanese, or Chinese, or anyone like that around. We have quite a lot of members, and clearly, there must be a reason why they exist.

And as for the cheapest, that's wrong, because like I said. There are cheaper alternatives available. They may be thinking it's the best, but most of them don't do any sort of research. No, people don't care for what's the best. Everyone just gets it out of their own preferance. You don't see so many Sony fanboys buying a Wii, or a 360, do you? Same goes for other consoles, do you?

I'll give you a credit for actually listening to lossless, and not using ipod earbuds.

 

[ojsinnerz.]

Also, Rockbox= Great stuff. I used to use it myself with the Sansa. Great But I needed money desparately, and I just formatted it, and sold it.

The themes look fabulous. I would get a new E200, if it took Rockbox, but the new versions can't. And, the default themes look AWFUL, so get yourself a theme with it for sure.

 

[DrKupo]

I am not saying it was ever different. Koreans want Korea made stuff, and they buy that. Always has been this way.

You wish you had $500 to spend on headphones.

I am not saying they are "shit". They are not as good. The iPods are not over rated. They are loved by their users because they are amazing. The number of things they do right is incredible, and the mistakes have all been fixed. The current models are damn near perfect. Apple is not flawless. The ipod, however, is at nearly flawless at this point.

Also, I am not ignorant.

Apple Lossless is the same as all other lossless audio. However, the Ipod does not accept FLAC. My only complaint.

"The fuze has no style. The entire experience of using it sucks.

Your mp3 player is cheap because RND didn't cost as much. The UI was slapt together, it uses off-shelf components, etc."

"
Have fun with whatever hunk of junk you use to listen to music."

Not calling it shit? Right.....

Anyway, since you brought this up, (I am not saying it was ever different. Koreans want Korea made stuff, and they buy that. Always has been this way.)

Lets just say North Americans love what's made in North America, and Korea likes what's made in Korea.

This battle is getting nowhere, because I have no intentions of losing, and neither do you.

If you don't mind that, then I'll stop. If you still want to continue, fine by me.

At no point I called it shit. I'd only qualify as shit if it failed at the task of playing music.

No. North Americans buy Sony products, while Japan only buys Sony products. See, the western world isn't insane. They buy what's best. The Western world does not care where the product was made, long as it is either the cheapest or the best.

I am willing to keep this going as long as you still reply. I always enjoy a reasoned discussion.

True, you didn't say it was shit, but it sounds like you're completely thinking it was a worthless products. These companies also take time, and make investments to make a fine product, and sell it. It's not just Apple. These guys try to make money too.

Also, Why does Iaudiophile.com, Anythingbutipod.com and these kinds of sites exist? These two sites may be a global thing, but I haven't seen any Koreans, or Japanese, or Chinese, or anyone like that around. We have quite a lot of members, and clearly, there must be a reason why they exist.

And as for the cheapest, that's wrong, because like I said. There are cheaper alternatives available. They may be thinking it's the best, but most of them don't do any sort of research. No, people don't care for what's the best. Everyone just gets it out of their own preferance. You don't see so many Sony fanboys buying a Wii, or a 360, do you? Same goes for other consoles, do you?

I'll give you a credit for actually listening to lossless, and not using ipod earbuds.

Apple puts more effort into it. You know, despite not being willing to admit it, that none of these companies could have came up with an UI like the ipod's. That UI was, then, just as revolutionary as the Iphone's is today.

Personally, I think portable devices are no place for audiophile concerns. The audio will never be pristine, it will be exposed to the elements of the outside.

Now on the subject of ABI. A combination of insane people who hate Apple, and a few who MUST, by any means, go against the norm. Even when they know they are wrong.

Ignoring the last part as it is a rephrased version of what I said, applied to a subject that I did not intend it to be applied for.

 

[fischju]

ojsinnerz, we are all discussing this on #gbatemp.net on irc.efnet.net

 

[jumpman17]

Alright, time to shift back towards topic. If you want to start an in-depth discussion about the many pros and cons of different MP3 players, please start a new topic. This one should only be for recommendations for the original poster.

 

[ojsinnerz.]

I am not saying it was ever different. Koreans want Korea made stuff, and they buy that. Always has been this way.

You wish you had $500 to spend on headphones.

I am not saying they are "shit". They are not as good. The iPods are not over rated. They are loved by their users because they are amazing. The number of things they do right is incredible, and the mistakes have all been fixed. The current models are damn near perfect. Apple is not flawless. The ipod, however, is at nearly flawless at this point.

Also, I am not ignorant.

Apple Lossless is the same as all other lossless audio. However, the Ipod does not accept FLAC. My only complaint.

"The fuze has no style. The entire experience of using it sucks.

Your mp3 player is cheap because RND didn't cost as much. The UI was slapt together, it uses off-shelf components, etc."

"
Have fun with whatever hunk of junk you use to listen to music."

Not calling it shit? Right.....

Anyway, since you brought this up, (I am not saying it was ever different. Koreans want Korea made stuff, and they buy that. Always has been this way.)

Lets just say North Americans love what's made in North America, and Korea likes what's made in Korea.

This battle is getting nowhere, because I have no intentions of losing, and neither do you.

If you don't mind that, then I'll stop. If you still want to continue, fine by me.

At no point I called it shit. I'd only qualify as shit if it failed at the task of playing music.

No. North Americans buy Sony products, while Japan only buys Sony products. See, the western world isn't insane. They buy what's best. The Western world does not care where the product was made, long as it is either the cheapest or the best.

I am willing to keep this going as long as you still reply. I always enjoy a reasoned discussion.

True, you didn't say it was shit, but it sounds like you're completely thinking it was a worthless products. These companies also take time, and make investments to make a fine product, and sell it. It's not just Apple. These guys try to make money too.

Also, Why does Iaudiophile.com, Anythingbutipod.com and these kinds of sites exist? These two sites may be a global thing, but I haven't seen any Koreans, or Japanese, or Chinese, or anyone like that around. We have quite a lot of members, and clearly, there must be a reason why they exist.

And as for the cheapest, that's wrong, because like I said. There are cheaper alternatives available. They may be thinking it's the best, but most of them don't do any sort of research. No, people don't care for what's the best. Everyone just gets it out of their own preferance. You don't see so many Sony fanboys buying a Wii, or a 360, do you? Same goes for other consoles, do you?

I'll give you a credit for actually listening to lossless, and not using ipod earbuds.

Apple puts more effort into it. You know, despite not being willing to admit it, that none of these companies could have came up with an UI like the ipod's. That UI was, then, just as revolutionary as the Iphone's is today.

Personally, I think portable devices are no place for audiophile concerns. The audio will never be pristine, it will be exposed to the elements of the outside.

Now on the subject of ABI. A combination of insane people who hate Apple, and a few who MUST, by any means, go against the norm. Even when they know they are wrong.

Ignoring the last part as it is a rephrased version of what I said, applied to a subject that I did not intend it to be applied for.

About your last post, I knew this would come in handy. http://www.anythingbutipod.com/about.php

Also, I was more focused on Ipods, than Iphones.... Did you not read my two exceptions? Iphones are pretty good, and now that the problem was fixed, I don't have too much problem with it. The only problem with it is now, is how expensive it is to get it in Canada, because you need to make multiple contracts before actually making a purchase. Correct me if I'm wrong though, because I'm not too sure on this, but this is what my friend told me.

And I suppose I'll agree that the UI of Iphones/Ipod Touch are pretty good. And, lastly, I don't have a lot of money to buy any decent amps (Other than a Fii0 one, which is good for the price), nor do I have a lot of money to have anything like a higer Shure model. (I'm saving up money to buy either an Ultrasone HFI-780, FreQ-show, or a SA6. I don't find that Shure has such a "fun" sound, because it's not the best for bass.), so I need to use something with a decent output.

 

[DrKupo]

I am done for the night, as the mod said. Needless to said, i have a few corrections and other things to say. Sadly, I am unable to.

 

[LagunaCid]

So, I recommend the highest capacity Sansa E200 you can find

Or an iPod video if you want a brick in your pocket :3

 

[Talaria]

Although Ipod's don't have the greatest build quality and are overrated and can be sometimes more expensive and you have to use crappy Itunes. I still reccommend them. I have a Ipod Nano 3rd gen and love it. It's slimmer and more compact then alot of mp3 player's out there and the gui/control interface is amazing. Just being able to easily flick past songs just by rotating your thumb is brilliant Although occasionally accidently flicking the volume up and down can get annoying. Another thing is that they look good..well the newer versions do. There are a number of better mp3 player's out there but they look ugly and bulky. Oh and one more thing, once you get over itunes it's all sweet.

 

[Baroque Obama]

jesus christ. talk about a lack of civilized discussion right?

i wonder why you listed the meizu m6 as a "audiophile" mp3 player? although it has a powerful internal amp, it hisses pretty bad with IEM's.

i like apples players as they offer pretty damn good storage for the price, lossless playback (ALAC), gapless playback, and an actual LOD for connection to external amps too.

a ipod nano 3g with a xin supermicro IV and some er4's (or whatever headphones you want) is a great combination.

As much as i like the D2 in terms of features, the Cowon team has been a little lackluster in supporting those features. there has been problems with the codec support in the past. don't know recently as i don't really follow their line of players as of late.

like before, i very much recommend Sansas lower end players. Meizu is pretty good too as long as you don't use overly sensitive headphones and don't mind a little slack with the firmware.

 

[LagunaCid]

they offer pretty damn good storage for the price

tehee

you mean the opposite, right?
iPods are the most expensive mp3 player, hands down.

 

[Mangofett]

i wonder why you listed the meizu m6 as a "audiophile" mp3 player? although it has a powerful internal amp, it hisses pretty bad with IEM's.

The old one and SL are different, SL got a new audiochip, which I heard fixes many problems.