Hacking NDS Pirating getting too rampant?

[Brouhaha]

It's hilarious seeing people flailing.
They're trying to pull the "but I'm the moral/just/better pirate here" crap.
Why can you not all (and by "all" I mean those who pull the above crap) accept the fact that a pirate is a pirate?
And this whole argument about stealing a car.
Like someone said above, to juxtapose such a thing is flawed.

You missed this thread's topic I beleive... It's not about beign moral or not, but about how "rampant" it is and if it's truely hurting our dear corporations, which it isn't, IMO... I think some PIRATES (yes, a pirate is a pirate indeed) buy more copyrighted material than say... your mother... And like it or not, moralize it or not, it has weight...

EDIT: Let me add to that the facts that many GOOD DS games are million unit sellers... and that Halo 2 beat every single hollywood blockbuster revenues at launch... Yet both consoles copy protection mechanisms were defeated VERY early...

 

[Synergy]

Yes, I'm a naughty pirate. Here's my collection after selling 3 of my games. Taken with a crappy camera phone, but you get the point. Not pictured - Cooking Mama, which is on loan to my sister.

Left to Right:

Lost in Blue
Mario Kart DS
New Super Mario Bros.
Big Brain Academy
Wario Ware: Touched!
Super Princess Peach
Phoenix Wright: Ace Attorney
Advance Wars: Dual Strike
Trauma Center: Under the Knife
Brain Age
Castlevania: Dawn of Sorrow
Meteos
Trace Memory
Metroid Pinball

 

[AlexFili]

As much as I would love to buy ds games... they are too expensive for someone who doesnt have a job. Seriously, why not just make games £10 each? DVDs are too expensive as well... £20 for something that only lasts 1-2 hours? really >_<

I used to buy lots of gba games, but im trying to save up for wii... so the only ds game i have is mario kart.

 

[ridgecity]

The sad fact is piracy help sells hardware, and even software. The Gamecube has been the hardest locked console ever and sales in software were real, but even they were pretty low. Ps2 is pretty easy to mod and yet, milion sellers are very common on the system... also piracy on the DS is very technical yet, so not any kid could do it... I hope it stays low key so it continues for the 1% that uses it... Look at Wifi connection, they could easily block the hacked DSes yet they keep them connecting, more proof Nintendo doesn't see this as a problem...

 

[Devante]

ridgecity makes a good point on GameCube vs. PS2.

And to Synergy: Cool collectiong but do 15 games make up for the thousands of ROMs you have? ;>

 

[Scorpin200]

i don't think nintendo cares being sold out of hardware every other month, and there isn't much they can do about it as pirates own the internet.

 

[Synergy]

ridgecity makes a good point on GameCube vs. PS2.

And to Synergy: Cool collectiong but do 15 games make up for the thousands of ROMs you have? ;>

Of course it doesn't. I'm a pirate, I've said as much, I'm not one of those people trying to justify it at all. I was merely posting my collection because someone said they didn't think people here actually bought games. I definitely do.

 

[754boy]

I agree with ridgecity, that piracy helps sell consoles. I bought my Dreamcast because of piracy. I bought my PS1 because of piracy. I bought my Xbox because of piracy. I bought my XB360 because of piracy too. The only shit I'm not influenced by piracy to buy is all my Nintendo branded stuff.

 

[id242]

The Gamecube has been the hardest locked console ever and sales in software were real, but even they were pretty low. Ps2 is pretty easy to mod and yet, milion sellers are very common on the system....

The gamecube had a single target market which was that of a very young generation - you wont see any of the serious games on it, as you do see for the PS & PS2 (GTA, Halo and such).

Speaking of PS & PS2, the PS2 was backwards compatible to a system that began in the early 90s... and similarly, the PS2 is still very much alive today because of that and it's wide range of games which target just about all generations.

Sure, today the Gamecube can be had for about the same price as the GB and for slightly less than the NDS/DS.L systems.

Your comment about GC not being as popular because it was more locked down than similar systems is flawed - because you are not comparing it to similar systems... systems which target the same age group.

GB & NDS are portable and target most generations and because of this, more games are purchased by the other generations (those with $$$), keeping it alive.

PS & PS2, Minus the portability factor (which was fixed in PSone) that system targets a wide generations as well.

GC is not as portable and targets the younger generations (those with very limited $$$ - The average 10 to 17 year old likely does not have a disposable income, or _any income_ at all)

...

I think the topic of this post should also include a link to "If you have a Flash Cart, what is your age range" and you will get a much better idea of how widespread "flashcart gaming piracy" is.

 

[teonintyfive]

I have 6 original games. I use flashcards for testin.

 

[adgloride]

If nintendo wanted to get rid of people using the flash carts they could have released the DS lite without the gba slot. Out of the hundreds of games released on the GBA only a dozen or so are worth playing anyway. The could have released favourites on DS carts at a very fair price. With the GBA loads of people had flash carts and still games are being made for it so someone must be buying them.

 

[john_blk]

Is it bad that ive only ever bought one game in my life? that was mario kart for the snes since it had a dsp chip in.

Consoles ive got:

Snes +super wild card DX
Megadrive +backup unit
n64+doctorV64
ps1/ps2+backups
Dreamcast+backups
Xbox-chipped
DS+m3miniSD

^ boy i really am a dirty pirate aint i

 

[shadow theory]

Well I think it's hard to claim that getting a free copy of a game, helps the overall sales of the game. How much it hurts is debateable, but that is one copy of the game the company shall not be recieving funds for.

As much as people like to claim they get a rom to "try before they buy" there is a vast difference between recieving a demo, and receiving the entire product. For example, if I had a thirty second clip of a song I created and distrubuted that, people who liked it, may buy the song. If I give out the entire song to people, few would be inclined to go ahead and pay for it afterwards. Now some may argue that they support the companies they like, and give them money on principle, but you'll find there's not too many people like that. Piracy is going through other than legitimate channels to come by a product without paying for it.

Case in point, SRK, a large group devoted to fighting video games holds the biggest fighting game tournament in the US, called "Evolution". This previous year, they decided to try something else to distribute the DVDs covering the action. They released torrents, asking people who enjoyed the DVDs to please pay for them. (They were essentially using the entire product as a sample, much like what people claim to do with roms.) Fact is, some gave money, most just grabbed it for free. You'll be surprised how much people don't like giving away money they don't have to. Sure the DVDs sold well, but the numbers were not like they were when they just teased with a few videos instead of giving away the whole thing.

But people will cite, well [Insert Game Here] sold a million copies! As if to say, well it still sold very well, so it's entirely okay that I didn't buy a copy (read: stole), the amount I hurt the company is negligible. While that may be a valid arguement, to assert that because the game sold well, in spite of piracy, that piracy did not hurt the sales of the game at all is just flawed.

The only exploit in which I ever found such a practice defensible, is concerning games that cannot be gotten in a reasonable fashion. Games never released here, or games that are no longer in production, you aren't hurting these games nearly in the same way since they were never introduced into your markets to begin with.

People also like the cite the music industry, saying that MP3 downloads have actually improved sales of music. Which is true (though really only in small number, 1-2%), but it's because most people don't download entire albums. You download a song or two you like, and then purchase the whole cd for convenience sake. Or, you're using something like Itunes and buying the songs one at a time, prior to channels to do this, the growth of music sales was slipping.

As to not to sound wholier than thou, I would not claim to be above said behavior myself, but I also do not kid myself to think that taking something, regardless of how it's presented to me, without going through the proper channels is noble. It's a practice that people like because you get what you want now, and for nothing. You do few people favors by pirating, and I tend to find people have much larger libraries of roms than they do actual games they own.

If someone wants to argue there should be a method to play games prior to buying, I'm all for it, but taking the game and then claiming it's a suitable replacement, and that, that practice actually helps sell games is just ridiculous.

It's the type of things you only see as a prevailing attitude in communities that have a lot to do with roms, most other ones, about genres of games, will urge people not to pirate. I can't tell you how many times I've seen people type "Support the scene! Buy the game!"

 

[PURPLEMUSTANG]

I was wondering,what happenned if SONY,NINTENDO...etc bought down the prices from say 30$ a game to 5$? Games here in TURKEY cost 80$ for the PS2 .So evryone has a modchip and that's why SONY won't be bringing the ps3 here.Can't they just lower the price and defeat the whole purpose of pirating?

 

[id242]

It's the type of things you only see as a prevailing attitude in communities that have a lot to do with roms, most other ones, about genres of games, will urge people not to pirate. I can't tell you how many times I've seen people type "Support the scene! Buy the game!"

"Support the scene! Buy the game!"
I've never seen that one before. ("The Scene")

But Im pretty sure that these were written before:
"we strongly advise you to buy the software to support the authors"
"IF YOU LIKE THIS PROGRAM YOU SHOULD BUY IT!"
"If You like this software, then go buy it. Help to pay the hard working people/companies who make it for us . If You don't like it, delete it. It's only fair. "
"don't forget to buy this software if u liked it."
"If you use this software buy it if you think its worth it. Support quality software."
"If you like this software, and use it a lot, you should consider buying it!! [it's the best]"

Oh, and the ever popular ones:
"[group] does this for fun, not for profit"
"KEEPING THE SCENE PRIVATE!"
"FUCK OFF ALL P2P LAMERS!!"

 

[Extreme Coder]

Then companies wouldn't get back the costs of making the game plus some profit. While the idea you're stating would be nice, it's very very unlikely to happen, especially that with each generation, prices are increasing.

 

[Devante]

Is it bad that ive only ever bought one game in my life? that was mario kart for the snes since it had a dsp chip in.

Consoles ive got:

Snes +super wild card DX
Megadrive +backup unit
n64+doctorV64
ps1/ps2+backups
Dreamcast+backups
Xbox-chipped
DS+m3miniSD

^ boy i really am a dirty pirate aint iÂ

I'm the same way more or less!

I'm looking for an SNES backup unit currently, though.

The only N64 games I bought were the 4 (I think) that were 512M and therefore too large to play on my Z64.

 

[Hooya]

God, another one of these.
Look, every person who uses flash carts is a pirate.
It does not matter if you use it for trial run of games.
The fact of the matter is that you'r downloading copyrighted material freely and illegally and then using it.
If you want to trial run things, go out and rent something.
If you're so worried about Nintendo's bottom line (which, mind you, is effected very little by the pirate community) then sell your flash cart and go out and rent/buy the games you download "just to try".

Truthfully, the game creators & big companies like Nintendo have been overcharging us for YEARS & YEARS. F them. I can see making a profit but what they charge is RETARDED!!! $500 + for a console!? $60 + for one game, that might suck & have no replay abliltiy? Sorry. They have been raping us for YEARS. The same goes for the record companies.Â

MAKE IT AFFORDABLE & the regular Joes that work hard for a living might be able to afford a little fun.

(I'm referring to the prices of ALL consoles. Not only Nintendo)

If you can't afford the games and the game systems, then you shouldn't have one to begin with.
I pirate, I won't sugar coat it.
I pirate because I like to and want to.
Because I can.
I can afford some games but not all.
But if you can't afford any games, let alone the consoles to play those games on then you shouldn't be pirating; period.

I'd like to see ll these people that say they buy alot of DS original games prove it with a picture of their collection... I admit I only own 1 original ds game.


who here saied we buy a lot? i BUY the games i like, not any junk thats shows up.

Plus a game doesnt cost 60$ to make, so paying 60$ for one game isnt much, if you just look at how much it COSTS to make one.
Oh and dont forget a good game, deserves a good sequel... and will there be a good sequel? That depends on US buying their produts to sustain them.

The guys that make games do need food on their table as well.... imagine someone robbing your job, would you enjoy it?

EDIT

QUOTE(melloncollie @ Oct 17 2006, 07:33 PM)God, another one of these.
Look, every person who uses flash carts is a pirate.
It does not matter if you use it for trial run of games.
The fact of the matter is that you'r downloading copyrighted material freely and illegally and then using it.
If you want to trial run things, go out and rent something.
If you're so worried about Nintendo's bottom line (which, mind you, is effected very little by the pirate community) then sell your flash cart and go out and rent/buy the games you download "just to try".

I cant rent games, in Portugal we dont have such places. So how can i try games first? by BUYING THEM, but i'm not rich... therefor i use my card to try it first. Pretty Simple.

Plus USA isnt the whole world, not everywhere we have Game Rental Shops.

I live in the USA and there isn't a place that I can rent DS games except maybe if I drove two hours to Chicago maybe I could find a place that does. I'm NOT doing the rent by mail thing.

 

[ridgecity]

The Gamecube has been the hardest locked console ever and sales in software were real, but even they were pretty low. Ps2 is pretty easy to mod and yet, milion sellers are very common on the system....


The gamecube had a single target market which was that of a very young generation - you wont see any of the serious games on it, as you do see for the PS & PS2 (GTA, Halo and such).

Speaking of PS & PS2, the PS2 was backwards compatible to a system that began in the early 90s... and similarly, the PS2 is still very much alive today because of that and it's wide range of games which target just about all generations.

Sure, today the Gamecube can be had for about the same price as the GB and for slightly less than the NDS/DS.L systems.

Your comment about GC not being as popular because it was more locked down than similar systems is flawed - because you are not comparing it to similar systems... systems which target the same age group.

GB & NDS are portable and target most generations and because of this, more games are purchased by the other generations (those with $$$), keeping it alive.

PS & PS2, Minus the portability factor (which was fixed in PSone) that system targets a wide generations as well.

GC is not as portable and targets the younger generations (those with very limited $$$ - The average 10 to 17 year old likely does not have a disposable income, or _any income_ at all)

...

I think the topic of this post should also include a link to "If you have a Flash Cart, what is your age range" and you will get a much better idea of how widespread "flashcart gaming piracy" is.

If Miyamoto read your post he would start crying....

The Gamecube wasn't targeted for kids, The target audience is the same as Xbox and Playstation 2, but since Nintendo was almost single handedly providing the software (ok, actual GOOD software since most were pretty shitty other than Capcom...) it seemed as kiddie console, but the main problem for limited sucess (compared to other players of course) was:

due to the lack of third parties developing games for it
which in turn was due to Low hardware sales compared to the other consoles (a few millions less)
which in turn was due to the nonexistant modchip for gamecube
which in turn was due to High security hardware with propietary minidvds that spun backwards.

Dude the Gamecube was not popular for the lack of games! believe me, even Nintendo people have said it... I own a Gamecube and Almost every first party game there was and like five third parties' games (Resident Evil 0, 1 and 4, MGS, SSX Tricky & SSX 3, Final Fantasy).

I can't compare it with anything else, since I understand Xbox & Ps2 were their competitors, I kind of got that idea after all these years. According to you this was more like something made by tiger electronics:

GIGA PETS Explorer TV Plug-In Game
http://www.hasbro.com/tiger/default.cfm?pa...roduct_id=17928

So I guess, in that way Nintendo did kick their ass...

The DS & Gameboy are like totally diferent things and their main competitor is the Sony PSP, not the Gamecube...

I ddon't even wanna know your explanation for the Nintendo Wii, man...

By the way, I got a M3 adapter to play Cooking Mama & Ouedan! If you enjoy the game buy the thing people, it's just 30 bucks at most!. If you don't have any income its ok (delete in 24 hours) as long as you tell other people to get a console to play, at least help with the hardware...

 

[adgloride]

All nintendo do if their loosing too much money on games is release another limited edition DS lite