Gaming nds games not being dubbed?

[VmprHntrD]

Ahh the arrogance of this lame argument yet again. First I learned of it with anime snobs and then it rolled into gaming. If you don't like it, unless it's obviously very bad to a normal person, you're just being an ass likely too stuck up on the original source material to enjoy what is in front of you and that's sad.

 

[Joe88]

well 4kids would be the exception, I dont watch anything by them
[AS]

lulz @ spring loaded hammer though....

 

[Shardnax]

Batman, you have my respect for eternity

, and you've hit it spot on. People that prefer subs over dubs are retards trying to act as if they have some sort of minute understanding of Japanese. Half the time they cast children for adult roles and vice versa which I find infinitely stupid. All the subs I've seen also have a very bland emotional quality to them, in scenes where someone is yelling the v.a. sounds very calm. Hell though, they're Japanese so they can do what they want, even if it is whacky! Why would you want to read something you can watch? You'll never have solid reasoning why you shouldn't watch something in your native language, so stop trying to justify your quest to attempt to become more Japanese. In addition, you don't really understand what they are saying (a good chunk, if not all subs are off by quite a ways of the real meaning), so how are you truly listening?

I think 4kids is the best localization studio in existence, why? Because they get all Japanophiles' panties in a wad. "They cut off half the swearing, and make it much more "Kid-friendly"." Maybe the name 4kids doesn't imply that they are trying to make things kid-friendly quite enough for you to understand the name? I'd like to note I don't like any of the shows they've done, original or dubbed.

Bottom line, subs are stupid, unless you can't get it in your native language and a release isn't going to happen, then it makes sense.


Finally, I don't care what you think about the subject, so don't bother touching your keyboard.

Edit: My respect for Vampire Hunter as well.

 

[Perseid]

Funny how some of these people who like dubs think that we who prefer subs do so because of some sort of elitism, and of course that sentiment is elitism in itself.

 

[Shardnax]

Ugh.

Thinking that they are stupid, elistism, what's the difference?


Edit: I'm going to sleep, need to build up strength so I can deal with those horrible VO's that ... "life" thing has.

 

[Seraph]

Funny how some of these people who like dubs think that we who prefer subs do so because of some sort of elitism, and of course that sentiment is elitism in itself.

Yup, that seems about right. But it's not like the people in this topic who support subs said that dubs were the worst thing ever. And Shardnax just seems like a troll especially because of that bold text (and, of course, his argument). Enarky seems to have it right though. This doesn't just apply to to Japanese. I hate how everyone always spouts "wapanese" or "japanophile" and the like. So do people not see any truth in some of the arguments in support of subs? The only argument over dubs in this topic has been "Wouldn't you rather just listen to something in a language you can understand?"

Dubs in games(and maybe anime) haven't even been that bad lately(in voice acting talent at least).

 

[Joe88]

only company is namco or maybe capcom that hires bad voice actors

 

[Seraph]

only company is namco or maybe capcom that hires bad voice actors

I seem to find Bandai Namco good to decent and Capcom good, aside from cheesy dialogue. I find Atlus usually having the bad voice actors (at least in DS games).

 

[Live Again]

Weeaboo much?

 

[Perseid]

Weeaboo much?

Ah, yes. One of the most over-pasted links in recent memory. You DO realize that site is a joke site, right? So unless you're trying to make a joke too I suspect you're a bit in left-field.

 

[PizzaPasta]

If I am watching anime then I prefer subs because the last thing I really want to do while watching a movie is to have to read.

I don't mind reading it's just that I only watch tv or movies when I am feeling lazy and reading kid of contradicts that. I also end up missing half of what is actually happening on the screen while I am trying to read.

In the case of games I only hate the dubbing if it is really embarrassing. Like FF:CC for example. I can't even get through the intro because the dubs make me want to rip my own skin off. I wouldn't have noticed how shitty the dialogue was if I didn't have to hear it in a badly presented baby voice. I'd rather just read the text in games, I've been doing it for twenty years and really, the thought never crossed my mind that I would ever want to actually hear what the character's voices might sound like.

And I wouldn't prefer to hear the original Japanese voices, I'd rather hear nothing. Voice acting in games is kind of weird for me. It wasn't broke so why'd you have to fix it?

 

[FlameTakuya]

I prefer subs to dubs.

Why?

Simply because I find that it makes much more sense watching something in it's original language.

The original feeling of the show is altered and it's a totally different experience altogether in a different language voiceover.

Like, would you watch shows like Spongebob Squarepants, Darkwing Duck, or Disney movies in Chinese or Japanese?

It's just weird.

 

[kikuchiyo]

I mentioned it recently before but for those of us that I actually watched Dragonball in the original Japanese, Goku's voice actor is like Bugs Bunny's voice. There's no other voice I associate with the character.

Moreover, by necessity dubbed productions, no matter what the change, have to change the meaning of the original. Neil frickin' Gaiman wrote the dub for Mononoke Hime and he had to change the meaning to get things to work right. I've seen it the other way too, reading the novels of Banana Yoshimoto in Japanese and in English.

There are no kid voice actors in Japan. Children's voices are done by women - which is why Goku's voice actor is female - he debuted as a child in the original Dragonball. In the Final Fantasy Tactics Advance radio drama, for example, the Moogles are women. As are many of the less masculine characters in Namco x Capcom, which I'm playing now (Klona comes to mind).

Thirdly, no one who loves actual films (not anime) watches them dubbed. Art house movie goers want to see the films as the director intended them and how the actors acted them. My favorite film of all time is Seven Samurai. Watching it in English would be insane - can you imagine Mifune Toshiro opening his mouth and Billy Crystal's voice coming out (they did actually do this for some of the American movies Mifune was in and he did his best to get better in English and learned Spanish lines phonetically so it wouldn't happen).

I like hearing the voices as they were intended (Donald Duck's Japanese voice, for example, is skin crawlingly irritating - but then the English voice acting for non Disney characters in Kingdom Hearts is even worse.).

Any I don't think it counts if you can watch a Japanese TV show in Japanese without subtitles. But in any case if you're too illiterate to read subtitles and watch a movie at the same time, you've got bigger problems.

There is a richness to the language in which something, in which beautiful, moving things, are originally written. Does anyone honestly think there is a better version of Don Quixote than the original Spanish? Or that the swift and witty dialogue of P.G. Wodehouse could be translated and still keep its flavor? Why should Japanese be any different?

EDIT: A few things that are impossible to express in dubs:
Totally Japanese words (soba noodles come to mind from the short story collection of Yoshimoto's I just read), takoyaki, kappa (my kids asked me about that today).

Japanese dialects: Someone already mentioned Osaka-ben regarding Azumanga Daiou (and it's nothing like a Texas accent). Ditto Okinawa-ben and the various dialects in Tohoku (especially Tsugaru and Nanbu - there's no way to show how other Japanese speakers deal with Tsugaru-ben, which often needs its own subtitles for Japanese people).

Puns and jokes (some of the names on Urusai Yatsura and Dragonball come to mind (there was a joke in GT regarding the name of Goku's race being close to vegatables, for example).

Honorifics and polite language (I'm reading a manga called ぱきすタン right now for example - "-tan" is like an even cuter version of chan and the manga is a look at the history of Pakistan). We don't have it in English, really, so we can't use it without sounding unnatural.

 

[miruki]

I.. don't get why so many ppl are going on haterages against those who prefer subs over dubs. Especially those that already say "not every dub is bad" but seriously, there aren't that many great english dubs. Dragon Quest VIII and FFXII have superb voice acting, but squeenix is a company that has enough money to afford such VA's (which they did not always do, remember FFX, the voice acting was rather horrible, Dirge of Cerberus wasn't that great either). Most of the time you get something awful like those dubs from Chaos Wars someone already showed here, so WHY the hell would I want to listen to something horrible as that even if I can understand it? Even if I couldn't understand it I wouldn't want to listen to it.. oO

Other games have varying dubs, some great, decent and awful VAs mixed together, like Persona 3, I seriously loved Junpei's (Vic Mignogna) and Aegis' (Karen Strassman) voices alot whereas the Japanese VAs of those two didn't impress me much. But at the same time Yukari's VA (Michelle Ruff) annoyed me lots (reminds me alot of Prier in La Pucelle Tactics, whoever voiced her... *shivers*), she made Yukari sound like a total bitch, which she certainly didn't sound like in the JP version, also Mela Lee as Fuuka was just creepy. The others were neither outstandingly good nor bad, just okay.

But looking at how, for example, Michelle Ruff is a very common VA for many videogames and her voice annoys the heck out of me I don't really feel like listening to english dubs at all.

On the other hand, videogames that only get and english dub in Japan too, like Devil May Cry or Silent Hill turn out to be rather likeable. I loved Nero's VA in DMC4 and the Silent Hill dubs were never awful either.

Also, an example for some German dub failure, they pronounced one of the main characters of Toki wo Kakeru Shoujo on the DVD "Chucky" instead of "Chiaki" which makes the whole movie sound a little silly and takes alot of the drama out of the dramatic scenes... and when it comes as far as this, that a dub makes a series/movie/game sound silly instead of serious it can't be a good dub and I surely wouldn't want to listen to something like that.

But of course there's also the other case, like DBZ or Sailor Moon, those two have awesome German dubs (like, Piccolo gets voiced by the VA who voices Johnny Depp over here in Germany) - but, such dubs are expensive and the companies who release the animu/games/whatever are usually not willing to spend tons of moneys for high quality subs, which certainly is a pity. Most German game releases don't even get a German sub at all because of that reason, they'll just use the english dub with German subs (FFX, FFXII)

I also prefer watching english movies with their original english dub instead of a German dub (except for Disney, because german Disney dubs are way more awesome - which goes not for Pixar movies, I know that makes no sense...

) but I also add subtitles if I do so, because certain english actors just don't talk clearly enough for me to understand instantly or I don't know certain words so if I know how they're spelled I can look them up laters (that way I learned most of my english.)

SO. What the hell is so bad about wanting to hear the original Japanese dub? Why does everyone go to such extremes as calling ppl weeaboos or wapanese, or whatever? Why do gamers get so worked up if ppl ask for both? Seriously, if you buy a movie DVD you ALWAYS have the original dub on it too, it's normal and a GOOD thing, that way EVERYONE (or almost) gets pleased, right? So why, tell me, why the hell shouldn't it be that way for games too? It's not like there seriously is a space limitation that keeps them from doing so. I don't know how much more expensive it is to use a DVD instead of a CD, or a Doubler Layer DVD instead of a normal one, or a bigger cartridge for a DS game, if they produce them in such large quantities, BUT, I'm sure it wouldn't keep them from making profit, as some companies already do so (I remember Atlus making DVDs for Disgaea instead of CDs so they were able to keep the Japanese voice tracks).

*sigh*
I'd just like to either get more high quality dubs or the option of both.

 

[da_head]

this is the last thing i gotta say about this topic. i pity the fools who think people who prefer subs (like me) are weeboos and such. its just plain ignorant and stupid. yes sum dubs are very good (as in the case of dragon ball z british version, and gundam seed destiny), but most the time its not. if you're not able to read while watching at the same time, boo hoo. go watch ur shitty dubs for all i care. also (for anime) subs come out next day, dubs take months in advance to come out, so if you reaaaaaallllly prefer waiting months (and chances are, they won't ever catch up, as in the case with bleach/naruto), then by all means go ahead. also, with english we're pretty lucky to get dubs. try other languages. except for main stream stuff, its damn near impossible to find dubs, but possible to find subs.
btw i was in portugal in the summer, and they showed subbed naruto on tv xD. it was odd seeing subs on tv, but satisfying nonetheless.
though about the topic of ds games, i can hardly care less. i'm currently playing ff iv, and i don't mind the dubs. i played luminous arc, and i actually loved the dubs (except for the younger brother. he sounded like a fag lool). anywayz dats all i gotta say. [/rant]

 

[Deleted member 76381]

To be honest, I don't really mind. I mean...sure, I watch anime. And in most cases, I HAVE to watch subtitles and other times, I can make do with the dub (which I personally don't care about). I've encountered some bad dubs, but I make do. I mean, I survived Megaman 8 for God's sake!

As long as I can enjoy the material, and as long as I can understand what's being said, I'll watch/play it. And, even with the option to turn off voices, I still don't. Even if it's a game where I'll hear a line repeated 50,000 times over the course of a single game. XD

 

[Perseid]

For those who cry 'weeaboo', don't think this is some obsession with the Japanese language. This has nothing to DO with Japanese. I just want to hear the original language track. If it's a French movie I want the french audio. If it's Thai I want the Thai audio. If I have a choice of an Indian movie in Tamil or dubbed in Hindi I will take the Tamil even though I don't speak a word of either language, because...I want the original audio.

 

[VmprHntrD]

Like, would you watch shows like Spongebob Squarepants, Darkwing Duck, or Disney movies in Chinese or Japanese?

Yes, because that's the language I know. Outside of something that's so badly done that it completely alters the content into something so off target that it's bad in whatever language it is in dubs allow you to enjoy the animation and the action on screen instead of missing 1/2 of it having to read a bunch of crap at the bottom. If you just want to read, get the same story in book/manga format and have fun with the translation so you don't miss anything. In many cases subs take away from what you're watching and forces you to primarily focus on reading instead of enjoying the visual end of the program/movie so you don't fall behind and get lost.

 

[Shardnax]

LOL WUT?


Victory.

 

[Seraph]

Like, would you watch shows like Spongebob Squarepants, Darkwing Duck, or Disney movies in Chinese or Japanese?

Yes, because that's the language I know. Outside of something that's so badly done that it completely alters the content into something so off target that it's bad in whatever language it is in dubs allow you to enjoy the animation and the action on screen instead of missing 1/2 of it having to read a bunch of crap at the bottom. If you just want to read, get the same story in book/manga format and have fun with the translation so you don't miss anything. In many cases subs take away from what you're watching and forces you to primarily focus on reading instead of enjoying the visual end of the program/movie so you don't fall behind and get lost.

Who says people miss half of the animation or action? I don't seem to. Who says it's all about the animation and action anyway? Otherwise, everyone would just be fine watching silent films. And who says manga is just about reading? I seem to look at the pictures to see what's going on (seeing as how things aren't usually narrated). So people would rather listen to something that is so terrible it makes your ears bleed just because you understand the language?
QUOTE(Shardnax @ Sep 8 2008, 02:10 PM)

LOL WUT?


Victory.

Again with the troll posts, at least put up a troll debate. Isn't gbatemp against these brief, have to do with nothing posts?