Hardware My Xbox red ringed (E 74) and won’t even turn on since this morning

[TomodachiDeath]

Rest in peace baby, I’ll miss you.

 

[brickmii82]

Sorry bud. At least another can be had for less than 50$

 

[DinohScene]

E74 is the HANA/ANA chip.
You can try to reflow it but a more permanent fix is reballing it.

Or.. just get a new 360.

 

[TomodachiDeath]

E74 is the HANA/ANA chip.
You can try to reflow it but a more permanent fix is reballing it.

Or.. just get a new 360.

I tried the penny hack 4 times and failed. I’d save up for a new one but I’m thinking of getting a Switch or an iPhone X.

 

[DinohScene]

"penny hack" isn't a hack, it's simply kludging together a heatsink.

Heat is what caused the error, the solderballs underneath the chip are fractured due to heat stress.
Only way to mend that is to reflow or reball.

 

[TomodachiDeath]

"penny hack" isn't a hack, it's simply kludging together a heatsink.

Heat is what caused the error, the solderballs underneath the chip are fractured due to heat stress.
Only way to mend that is to reflow or reball.

Yeah, I think it’s because Microsoft used the wrong type of lead-free solder or something. I’ll probably open it up again this afternoon and hope the only problem is the HANA chip. Maybe buy another power supply since my console doesn’t even turn on...

 

[DinohScene]

It's not just MS, it's every manufacturer.
I think it's the fault of the EU for banning leaded solder.
Could be the EU, could also be something else.

Bottom line is, leaded solder has been banned from electronic devices.
Hence them dying quicker.

 

[godreborn]

I know nearly as much about the 360 as I do the ps3, but the hardware issues are why I don't game on it. I have 2 falcons and 1 jasper, and I don''t game on any of them.

for a proper reflow/reball, outside of a heatgun, you need a machine. that machine costs hundreds of dollars, so you'd have to send the system to someone who operates a business for this sort of thing. that's the only person who'd have such a machine. a reball is more permanent, but it requires some manual labor which means more expensive. 360s are so cheap now though that you might as well buy another, if you don't want a switch right away. it would be cheaper than fixing the broken console.

 

[TomodachiDeath]

It's not just MS, it's every manufacturer.
I think it's the fault of the EU for banning leaded solder.
Could be the EU, could also be something else.

Bottom line is, leaded solder has been banned from electronic devices.
Hence them dying quicker.

Yes, but I think the main reason is the solder type besides all the technical problems 360s have because of crammed internals, etc. I read somewhere that lead-free solder is actually pretty resistant to heat but Microsoft used the wrong type so it developed hairline fractures.

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I know nearly as much about the 360 as I do the ps3, but the hardware issues are why I don't game on it. I have 2 falcons and 1 jasper, and I don''t game on any of them.

for a proper reflow/reball, outside of a heatgun, you need a machine. that machine costs hundreds of dollars, so you'd have to send the system to someone who operates a business for this sort of thing. that's the only person who'd have such a machine. a reball is more permanent, but it requires some manual labor which means more expensive. 360s are so cheap now though that you might as well buy another, if you don't want a switch right away. it would be cheaper than fixing the broken console.

I’ll buy another one if anything else fails.

 

[godreborn]

the reason is due to green laws. sony does the same thing.

 

[godreborn]

btw, I think what you mean may be the fact that microsoft didn't accommodate for the dvd drive. it essentially boxed in the cpu and the gpu. plus, there's a heat tunnel (a cheap piece of plastic) next to the heat sinks to dispense heat. the fans are right after the tunnel, so they're a ways away from the chips. this is for phats. I don't know how it's setup with slims since I've never owned one.

 

[TomodachiDeath]

btw, I think what you mean may be the fact that microsoft didn't accommodate for the dvd drive. it essentially boxed in the cpu and the gpu. plus, there's a heat tunnel (a cheap piece of plastic) next to the heat sinks to dispense heat. the fans are right after the tunnel, so they're a ways away from the chips. this is for phats. I don't know how it's setup with slims since I've never owned one.

Slims are even more crammed.

 

[huntertron1]

from what i can read by the given info you have the last major revision for the xbox 360 (look wise) model E. im a model E owner myself but never had a red ring (yet)
theres the original fat model. the the first slim model was model S and the next revision of the S is model E.

 

[godreborn]

technically, I don't think there's even a way to get rrod with a slim. it's red dot of death as the center power button will turn red instead. that's one way of getting rid of rrod. lol

 

[Joe88]

Slims are even more crammed.

The slim uses a brand new soc design where everything is on one chip built on the 45nm architecture, less heat generated than past revisions in a smaller space

 

[nero99]

Slims are even more crammed.

Slims also use less power which means less heat in the system. A friend of mine has had his slim since they first launched and has had no problems with it.

 

[TomodachiDeath]

The slim uses a brand new soc design where everything is on one chip built on the 45nm architecture, less heat generated than past revisions in a smaller space

Slims also use less power which means less heat in the system. A friend of mine has had his slim since they first launched and has had no problems with it.

Maybe, but the reason why my Slim red ringed was that the system was full of lint. And Xbox 360s are well known for their problems. Both of my consoles scratched my game discs.

 

[godreborn]

I thought game scratching was due to changing the orientation of the system while the drive was reading a disc.

 

[TomodachiDeath]

I thought game scratching was due to changing the orientation of the system while the drive was reading a disc.

An European TV show proved that they scratched discs because of “normal household vibrations”. I’ll see if I can link you to an article.

 

[godreborn]

unknown. the ps3 might do this, but blurays are more difficult to scratch.. I remember seeing a video of someone putting a bluray disc through some tests to see how resilient it actually was. I was pretty impressed by it. though, ps2 and psx games may suffer.