Let's talk about suppression

[The Catboy]

well this proves you dont know what fascism means, you are using the wikipedia definition that was made up to support bidennarratives, an ACTUAL fascist is "

1. A system of government marked by centralization of authority under a dictator, a capitalist economy subject to stringent governmental controls, violent suppression of the opposition, and typically a policy of belligerent nationalism and racism." which directly ties to the left.
2. A political philosophy or movement based on or advocating such a system of government.
3. "Oppressive, dictatorial control".

All of these things tie in to left wing politics, banning guns, censorship, claiming dissonance is extremism, and support violent groups like blm or antifa to get what you want.

You took that from Wikipedia, word for word, and then clumped just flat false statements to it.

 

[lolcatzuru]

You took that from Wikipedia, word for word, and then clumped just flat false statements to it.

do you want to know how i know you are lying? because wikipedia defines it as " ascism is a far-right, authoritarian, ultranationalist political ideology and movement,[1][2][3] characterized by a dictatorial leader, centralized autocracy, militarism, forcible suppression of opposition, belief in a natural social hierarchy, subordination of individual interests for the perceived good of the nation and race, and strong regimentation of society and the economy.[2" which is a lie, as hitler was a known leftist/socialist.

 

[The Catboy]

do you want to know how i know you are lying? because wikipedia defines it as " ascism is a far-right, authoritarian, ultranationalist political ideology and movement,[1][2][3] characterized by a dictatorial leader, centralized autocracy, militarism, forcible suppression of opposition, belief in a natural social hierarchy, subordination of individual interests for the perceived good of the nation and race, and strong regimentation of society and the economy.[2" which is a lie, as hitler was a known leftist/socialist.

My bad, you slightly modified the wording a little, kind of weird that you did that you omitted those parts.
Hitler wasn't a Leftist. He used Leftist talking points and even use Socialism to gain support. He then had every Socialist in the Nazi party killed and proceeded to have Leftists thrown into camps. This is a known Fascist strategy, being false-ally or using popular talking points to gain wider appeal. It's kind of clear that you actually don't know what you are talking about and are literally repeating the same talking points you see floating around on social media and other brain-numbing sites like 4Chan.

 

[lolcatzuru]

My bad, you slightly modified the wording a little, kind of weird that you did that you omitted those parts.
Hitler wasn't a Leftist. He used Leftist talking points and even use Socialism to gain support. He then had every Socialist in the Nazi party killed and proceeded to have Leftists thrown into camps. This is a known Fascist strategy, being false-ally or using popular talking points to gain wider appeal. It's kind of clear that you actually don't know what you are talking about and are literally repeating the same talking points you see floating around on social media and other brain-numbing sites like 4Chan.

well how could i repeating them if i dont go there, i already said that, dont lie, also i didnt omit anything, i posted the real definition first, then the fake definition. Also i dont understand you said he threw leftists into camps.... but he and his team were the leftists.

 

[Deleted member 586536]

A system of government marked by centralization of authority under a dictator, a capitalist economy subject to stringent governmental controls, violent suppression of the opposition, and typically a policy of belligerent nationalism and racism." which directly ties to the left.

Hold on. So those socialist, communist leftists, support captalism?
I must of not got the memo. So they support all the systems. Capitalism, Communism, Authoritarianism, and Anarchism.
Man it's like clicking all the notes in Dorico

I must of also never got the memo that Leftists like nationalism. Now what party was it that said "make America great again"

 

[Kotomine Kirei]

All of these should be bringing very loud bells in your head.

Really, I am getting that from the left, the right, Democrats, Republicans, etc.

Being a free speech " supporter" while simultaneously trying to censor and control.

Then you had all the means of propaganda

That it's leftists, those liberals ruining the world.

Claiming that their opposition supports and likes to suppress free speech. While simultaneously, banning people from saying certain words in schools, and banning books, specifically trans books.

Cartoons about how "how rediclous the 'left' is" painting trump in a good light.

This is basically what a lot of the people supporting Democrats and Republicans have been doing.
Saying we should be able to say what we want, but then saying people should not be able to say certain things, or raising uproars until people who have said those things have had their lives ruined.
Blaming the other side for ruining the world.
Drawing cartoons with ad hominems, gotchas and broad statements criticizing those on the other side, while praising their own side's figures.
Creating other propaganda, acting like they are on the side of the average person even though they are not.

All in all, all of the sides seem to be bad, and I think that this planet is quickly going to hell in a handbasket.
There is a lot of undermining going on, in what I believe is an effort to divide and conquer.
It really feels like a lot of people (but not a majority) are pushing for the world to be controlled by only a single group, and I doubt that group will actually help anyone but the people leading it.

If we all survive until 2050 without ending up under the thumb of an oppressive, worldwide government that does not support freedom or welfare for its citizens, or without that nor being utterly destroyed, I would be amazed.

This is a known Fascist strategy, being false-ally or using popular talking points to gain wider appeal.

That strategy seems to be getting used a lot right now.

 

[smf]

All of these things tie in to left wing politics, banning guns, censorship, claiming dissonance is extremism, and support violent groups like blm or antifa to get what you want.

All of these things tie in to right wing politics, banning abortions, censorship, claiming socialism is extremism, support violent groups like proud boys to get what you want.

What you fail to realize is that fascism is unrelated to whether you are left or right, but actually america doesn't have any left wing anyway. It's either far right wing (republicans) or right wing (democrats).

If you look at Biden and think he is left wing, then you're so far right wing that you're standing close to Hitler & Putin

 

[Lumstar]

Really, I am getting that from the left, the right, Democrats, Republicans, etc.

This is basically what a lot of the people supporting Democrats and Republicans have been doing.
Saying we should be able to say what we want, but then saying people should not be able to say certain things, or raising uproars until people who have said those things have had their lives ruined.
Blaming the other side for ruining the world.
Drawing cartoons with ad hominems, gotchas and broad statements criticizing those on the other side, while praising their own side's figures.
Creating other propaganda, acting like they are on the side of the average person even though they are not.

All in all, all of the sides seem to be bad, and I think that this planet is quickly going to hell in a handbasket.
There is a lot of undermining going on, in what I believe is an effort to divide and conquer.
It really feels like a lot of people (but not a majority) are pushing for the world to be controlled by only a single group, and I doubt that group will actually help anyone but the people leading it.

If we all survive until 2050 without ending up under the thumb of an oppressive, worldwide government that does not support freedom or welfare for its citizens, or without that nor being utterly destroyed, I would be amazed.



That strategy seems to be getting used a lot right now.

Pushing too hard to eradicate things backfires. Mass purges or worse genocides, don't work.

Even though I fervently disagree with most of the Republican platform, banning the label isn't helpful. There's always going to be people who believe in theocracy, oppose lgbt, want to overturn elections...

 

[smf]

That is your argument? I don't want kids to be exposed to pornographic content, therefore I support an authoritarian government? Now I have to ask. Why do you want kids to be exposed to pornographic content? And why do you think that is freedom?

You are so blinded by tribalism, that you have not considered my argument. I don't think children should be exposed to pornographic content. Though we may disagree on what constitutes pornographic content, as there are a lot of age appropriate books that the right is triggered over as they normalize same sex relationships despite having no sexual content whatsoever.

My point, that I've made multiple times & you've been unable to comprehend is that when you want to ban something then it's good when someone wants to ban something you disagree with then it's leftist & authoritarian.

This is why your arguments always fail, because you see it as some kind of culture war.

Weird that Antifa utilizes fascist techniques.

Is it weird? When you're going up against violent right wing hate groups with guns, you aren't going to be polite.

Trump has lied so much about antifa though, that it's impossible to condemn them for anything as it's probably not true.

Everything you've learned about antifa is corrupted by Trumps right wing fascist lie machine.
It's difficult to tell whether the acts supposedly perpetrated by antifa, are instead just right wing anarchists.

Certainly the majority of rioters on January 6th were not leftist/antifa, despite Trumps lies. He is obviously just trying to throw enough dirt around that nobody can pin anything on him. He belongs in jail.

All in all, all of the sides seem to be bad, and I think that this planet is quickly going to hell in a handbasket.

It seems like all sides are bad because moderates are drowned out by the extremists.

You only have to look at the right wing nuts on here. They apply their extremist view to you, but expect you to accept their more moderate views. TraderPatTX view that it's authoritarian to take away any rights that he wants, but perfectly ok to take away other peoples rights that they want for example.

If you try to hold a nuanced conversation about moderate views, they will pick it apart because moderate views are often contradictory. Of course they don't see that their own moderate views are contradictory.

Not everyone is as bad, but these idiots shout the loudest.

 

[Kotomine Kirei]

Pushing too hard to eradicate things backfires. Mass purges or worse genocides, don't work.

Even though I fervently disagree with most of the Republican platform, banning the label isn't helpful. There's always going to be people who believe in theocracy, oppose lgbt, want to overturn elections...

Are you talking about where I said that we might not survive until 2050 without being destroyed?

As for the Republicans, I think that something is wrong with them or at least the part of them often seen in the news, and the same for the Democrats.
Their actions seem very divisive and odd.

It does not seem like it is an issue of there always being people who believe in the things that you mentioned.
Of course, I could be wrong though.

 

[Kotomine Kirei]

It seems like all sides are bad because moderates are drowned out by the extremists.

You only have to look at the right wing nuts on here. They apply their extremist view to you, but expect you to accept their more moderate views. TraderPatTX view that it's authoritarian to take away any rights that he wants, but perfectly ok to take away other peoples rights that they want for example.

If you try to hold a nuanced conversation about moderate views, they will pick it apart because moderate views are often contradictory. Of course they don't see that their own moderate views are contradictory.

Not everyone is as bad, but these idiots shout the loudest.

Not too long ago, it seemed like there were far less extreme views on at least the most known sides, or at least, it seemed like they had less clout.

Nowadays, it seems like those with views like that on those sides are trying to greatly change things in very negative, divisive and encroaching ways that are unnecessary, especially when there are more pressing issues that seem to be getting ignored.

 

[TraderPatTX]

My bad, you slightly modified the wording a little, kind of weird that you did that you omitted those parts.
Hitler wasn't a Leftist. He used Leftist talking points and even use Socialism to gain support. He then had every Socialist in the Nazi party killed and proceeded to have Leftists thrown into camps. This is a known Fascist strategy, being false-ally or using popular talking points to gain wider appeal. It's kind of clear that you actually don't know what you are talking about and are literally repeating the same talking points you see floating around on social media and other brain-numbing sites like 4Chan.

Communists and fascists are like Sunni and Shia Muslims. Same core beliefs with minor differences. Communists and fascists are both socialist just like Sunni and Shia are both Muslims.

The current definition for fascism was made up and propagated by the media, just like republicans being stuck with the color red, the terms assault rifle and QAnon, which have zero meaning at all.

For a group who supposedly despises corporations, the left sure does enjoy doing what corporations tell them to do. They also celebrate when the FBI tells corporations to censor people's speech, which is fascism. They may not be nationalists, but nationalism is not the defining characteristic of fascism.

 

[lolcatzuru]

Hold on. So those socialist, communist leftists, support captalism?
I must of not got the memo. So they support all the systems. Capitalism, Communism, Authoritarianism, and Anarchism.
Man it's like clicking all the notes in Dorico

I must of also never got the memo that Leftists like nationalism. Now what party was it that said "make America great again"

the one trying to save america, something the left has no interest in.

 

[lolcatzuru]

All of these things tie in to right wing politics, banning abortions, censorship, claiming socialism is extremism, support violent groups like proud boys to get what you want.

What you fail to realize is that fascism is unrelated to whether you are left or right, but actually america doesn't have any left wing anyway. It's either far right wing (republicans) or right wing (democrats).

If you look at Biden and think he is left wing, then you're so far right wing that you're standing close to Hitler & Putin

yes, banning all the things that are actually pretty bad. wait a second, is it like a giant circle? hitler was your guy not ours? you can say he was to help your argument, but theres a reason you cant mention him anymore.

 

[Kotomine Kirei]

yes, banning all the things that are actually pretty bad.

Abortion is not that bad.
For those who believe that it goes against God, while that is true, if He wants someone to be born, they will be born, and no one can stop His will (Isaiah 14:27, Proverbs 19:21).
It should not be encouraged by believers, but that does not mean that others should not be allowed to do it (1 Peter 2:12, Matthew 5:16, 1 Peter 5:3, Titus 2:7-8).

Censorship is bad, depending on the type.
It can make problems with ignorance worse.

Socialism is often bad.
Despite seeming utopian in purpose, that and communism do not work with the world as it is.
For the former, it removes a driving force and decision-making systems from things.
For the latter, there is a limit to what can be done with the way things work in life (resources are not without limit), and there are always people who will use it as a tool to make their own lives better while almost everyone else suffers in equality.

Violent groups are often bad and supported by both sides.
There is almost always a reliance on violence when words fail (either because they are not convincing, they fall on deaf ears, or they are not logically sound).

america doesn't have any left wing anyway. It's either far right wing (republicans) or right wing (democrats).

The Democrats as they are right now seem to be the closest to being left-wing considering the amount of prominent socialist and communist-supporting politicians in their group.
Not too long ago, they were both somewhat close to being more moderate, but now they are both too far to one side.

 

[Deleted member 586536]

the one trying to save america, something the left has no interest in.

r/woooosh

Mate. You can't be communist and capitalist at the sametime. Nor can you simultaneously achive a society that is based in authoritarism and anarchism at the exact same time.

It's like clicking all the note durations in Dorico. I can get my whole note, half note, quarter, eighth twelveth and so on, and apply them all at once to the same note. It's jank. And you sir, are the janky clown with a janky brain.

 

[Deleted member 114266]

Abortion is not that bad.
For those who believe that it goes against God, while that is true, if He wants someone to be born, they will be born, and no one can stop His will (Isaiah 14:27, Proverbs 19:21).
It should not be encouraged by believers, but that does not mean that others should not be allowed to do it (1 Peter 2:12, Matthew 5:16, 1 Peter 5:3, Titus 2:7-8).

So God views murder as OK because if someone was supposed to live God would have caused an event that would have saved them? I seem to recall a little rule numero uno, "Thou shall not kill".

I don't recall any stories where people were allowed to murder, rape, or steal but it was OK because they believed an alternative religion.

 

[lolcatzuru]

Abortion is not that bad.
For those who believe that it goes against God, while that is true, if He wants someone to be born, they will be born, and no one can stop His will (Isaiah 14:27, Proverbs 19:21).
It should not be encouraged by believers, but that does not mean that others should not be allowed to do it (1 Peter 2:12, Matthew 5:16, 1 Peter 5:3, Titus 2:7-8).

Censorship is bad, depending on the type.
It can make problems with ignorance worse.

Socialism is often bad.
Despite seeming utopian in purpose, that and communism do not work with the world as it is.
For the former, it removes a driving force and decision-making systems from things.
For the latter, there is a limit to what can be done with the way things work in life (resources are not without limit), and there are always people who will use it as a tool to make their own lives better while almost everyone else suffers in equality.

Violent groups are often bad and supported by both sides.
There is almost always a reliance on violence when words fail (either because they are not convincing, they fall on deaf ears, or they are not logically sound).



The Democrats as they are right now seem to be the closest to being left-wing considering the amount of prominent socialist and communist-supporting politicians in their group.
Not too long ago, they were both somewhat close to being more moderate, but now they are both too far to one side.

they were also big into owning people, and yes abortion is bad just to make that clear.

 

[lolcatzuru]

r/woooosh

Mate. You can't be communist and capitalist at the sametime. Nor can you simultaneously achive a society that is based in authoritarism and anarchism at the exact same time.

It's like clicking all the note durations in Dorico. I can get my whole note, half note, quarter, eighth twelveth and so on, and apply them all at once to the same note. It's jank. And you sir, are the janky clown with a janky brain.

at least im trying to help save the country, you should be grateful.

 

[MicroNut99]

Communists and fascists are like Sunni and Shia Muslims. Same core beliefs with minor differences. Communists and fascists are both socialist just like Sunni and Shia are both Muslims.

The current definition for fascism was made up and propagated by the media, just like republicans being stuck with the color red, the terms assault rifle and QAnon, which have zero meaning at all.

For a group who supposedly despises corporations, the left sure does enjoy doing what corporations tell them to do. They also celebrate when the FBI tells corporations to censor people's speech, which is fascism. They may not be nationalists, but nationalism is not the defining characteristic of fascism.

The all defining logic of the TraderPatTX.
Let him tell you how you "the media" is lying to you.
Most news last about 2 minutes and the rest is commentary from what ever source your drinking from.

And Stitched this for you:

Communists and fascists are like Catholic and Protestant Christians. Same core beliefs with minor differences. Communists and fascists are both socialist just like Catholic and Protestant are both Christians.

The current definition for fascism was made up and propagated by the media, just like republicans being stuck with the color red, the terms assault rifle and QAnon, which have zero meaning at all.

For a group who supposedly despises corporations, the right sure does enjoy doing what corporations tell them to do. They also celebrate when the FBI tells corporations to censor people's speech, which is fascism. They may not be nationalists, but nationalism is one of the defining characteristics of fascism.