Kiwi Farms is finally no more. Cloudflare, hCaptcha and DDoS-Guard dropped support for the website

[sombrerosonic]

As a person with ASD, I believe that Kiwi Farms' death proves God exists.

Null can go rot in prison and burn in Hell. May Near rest in peace.

somehow the link to kiwi farms still works on there

 

[LainaGabranth]

Crowder seriously needs to get on E. The obvious egg vibes are painful to watch and I wish Crowder would stop being a grifter for 5 minutes to realize that.

For fucking real, I'm glad I'm not the only one seeing it. Dude is straight up the most repressed trans person I've seen.

 

[The Catboy]

For fucking real, I'm glad I'm not the only one seeing it. Dude is straight up the most repressed trans person I've seen.

Considering he “ironically” crossdresses on more than one occasion, really makes ya think

 

[MikaDubbz]

I don't feel like shutting down outlets for sharing thought ever solves the actual issue. Don't get me wrong, the people that used Kiwifarms are absolute garbage, but if anyone thinks that removing their forum solves the problem in anyway is a fool. They'll quickly regroup elsewhere on an even more shady corner of the web, and if that gets shut down, they'll pop up somewhere else. It's practically a guarantee. Now granted, I don't have a good solution to the problem that is dealing with these people and their footprint that they leave online, their probably isn't a (ethically) good answer to the problem, but shutting down a site like kiwifarms is only an illusion of a victory in regard to shaking the world of such awful toxicity.

 

[LainaGabranth]

Considering he “ironically” crossdresses on more than one occasion, really makes ya think

I need to dig em up but there were some extremely funny allegations from someone who worked under him, and she said that on top of being really creepy around women on the set, the guy would constantly dress up as a woman even off camera as a """"joke"""" and do all kinds of weird stuff. I bet you straight up that if he isn't an egg he is at a minimum a drag queen on the side, because no one spends that much time crying about trans people while also dressing like a woman and shit.

 

[LainaGabranth]

Don't get me wrong, the people that used Kiwifarms are absolute garbage, but if anyone thinks that removing their forum solves the problem in anyway is a fool.

This is objectively wrong because when 8chan was killed off, even though 8kun was made it's numbers are a fraction of what they used to be on 8chan, and I would know because I used to be an avid 8chan user. Even had a board there.

The point isn't to snuff it out, it's to significantly dampen it's reach. Even now, the site struggles to maintain a userbase (with many of the dipshits on their Telegram chats getting the site in even more trouble because they're constantly fedposting. Surprisingly, stalkers have zero opsec skills whatsoever lmao) so I think it's a bit weird to try to say this isn't the solution. Making it more difficult for harassers to organize is always a good thing.

 

[MikaDubbz]

This is objectively wrong because when 8chan was killed off, even though 8kun was made it's numbers are a fraction of what they used to be on 8chan, and I would know because I used to be an avid 8chan user. Even had a board there.

The point isn't to snuff it out, it's to significantly dampen it's reach. Even now, the site struggles to maintain a userbase (with many of the dipshits on their Telegram chats getting the site in even more trouble because they're constantly fedposting. Surprisingly, stalkers have zero opsec skills whatsoever lmao) so I think it's a bit weird to try to say this isn't the solution. Making it more difficult for harassers to organize is always a good thing.

Give it time, you cut off the head and it just grows back in elsewhere, though it doesn't happen over night. You can't terminate thoughts by removing outlets, and removing free speech of course isn't the answer either. Again, this is an illusion of victory, which frankly could be problematic in how we now don't necessarily know where to so readily track everyone that was on that site as we may not know everywhere that they've been regrouping in the time since, we may know one outlet or two, but they could have others hidden much deeper.

 

[LainaGabranth]

Give it time, you cut off the head and it just grows back in elsewhere. You can't terminate thoughts by removing outlets, and removing free speech of course isn't the answer either. Again, this is an illusion of victory, which frankly could be problematic in how we now don't necessarily know where to so readily track everyone that was on that site as we may not know everywhere that they've been regrouping in the time since, we may know one outlet or two, but they could have others hidden much deeper.

Dude, no one is saying they're "terminating thoughts," and this is not a "free speech" issue. This was a site that was literally created for no other purpose than to gangstalk a webcomic artist and coordinate plans to harass them, with many people on it brainstorming the best ways to antagonize this person. They were doxxed, their accounts on numerous sites and platforms were hacked and stolen, and just recently in the past 5 years were manipulated into giving money to some guy and his group of friends, all using information that has been documented and extensively sourced for over 10 years on one person.

This is not a free speech issue, and there is no way to make it such. It is objectively a matter of targeted harassment. If you are under the impression that the TOS that KiwiFarms AGREED TO when they paid them for services being enforced in any capacity is in any way antithetical to free speech as a concept, you do not understand neither the private market, nor free speech as concepts.

 

[Cris1997XX]

Phew, goddamn...ya know, sometimes I'm really glad I chose to hide Laina's messages. This is one of those times

 

[LainaGabranth]

Wait, hold up, I missed this part too.

which frankly could be problematic in how we now don't necessarily know where to so readily track everyone that was on that site as we may not know everywhere that they've been regrouping in the time since, we may know one outlet or two, but they could have others hidden much deeper.

YES! THAT IS LITERALLY THE POINT!

If WE, normal users are going to have trouble finding the new sites, you can sure as shit bet anyone else they're trying to reach out to will as well. Again, the numbers speak for themselves. Log onto any kiwifarms alternative URL and compare the users online now to any screenshot from the past 2 weeks and you will see the exponential nosedive in users. It, objectively, is making a difference and will continue to do so. Now that the site is in the public eye of network security professionals and journalists, legal consequences for the undeniably illegal activities engaged in, encouraged, and organized on this site will be easier to sus out as well.

it is not that free speech cannot exist if nazi websites can't, y'know, be nazis. It's that free speech cannot exist so long as there are gathering grounds for people to organize and suppress your speech just for being anything other than a white cis dude.

 

[MikaDubbz]

Dude, no one is saying they're "terminating thoughts," and this is not a "free speech" issue. This was a site that was literally created for no other purpose than to gangstalk a webcomic artist and coordinate plans to harass them, with many people on it brainstorming the best ways to antagonize this person. They were doxxed, their accounts on numerous sites and platforms were hacked and stolen, and just recently in the past 5 years were manipulated into giving money to some guy and his group of friends, all using information that has been documented and extensively sourced for over 10 years on one person.

This is not a free speech issue, and there is no way to make it such. It is objectively a matter of targeted harassment. If you are under the impression that the TOS that KiwiFarms AGREED TO when they paid them for services being enforced in any capacity is in any way antithetical to free speech as a concept, you do not understand neither the private market, nor free speech as concepts.

Simply put, you can't stop it, you can pause it, but it's not going to be the end solution, it just isn't. It's like trying to stop school shootings after that can of worms was opened, and not strict enough gun laws were ever put in place in the country to combat it. I recall sites where infamous school shooters posted on, getting shut down in the time since. Guess what didn't stop when that happened? School shootings.

 

[LainaGabranth]

Phew, goddamn...ya know, sometimes I'm really glad I chose to hide Laina's messages. This is one of those times

I can't help having the best posts on the entire forum

 

[LainaGabranth]

Simply put, you can't stop it, you can pause it, but it's not going to be the end solution, it just isn't. It's like trying to stop school shootings after that can of worms was opened, and not strict enough gun laws were ever put in place in the country to combat it. I recall sites where infamous school shooters posted on, getting shut down in the time since. Guess what didn't stop when that happened? School shootings.

You're right! Good point. You can't stop all blood loss the instant you bandage a wound, so you should just let people bleed out and never take action. Genius argument.

 

[MikaDubbz]

You're right! Good point. You can't stop all blood loss the instant you bandage a wound, so you should just let people bleed out and never take action. Genius argument.

I guess you missed the part where I said, "Now granted, I don't have a good solution to the problem that is dealing with these people and their footprint that they leave online, their probably isn't a (ethically) good answer to the problem."

 

[Cris1997XX]

Simply put, you can't stop it, you can pause it, but it's not going to be the end solution, it just isn't. It's like trying to stop school shootings after that can of worms was opened, and not strict enough gun laws were ever put in place in the country to combat it. I recall sites where infamous school shooters posted on, getting shut down in the time since. Guess what didn't stop when that happened? School shootings.

Just because the second amendment is a whole fucking mess in and of itself

 

[LainaGabranth]

I guess you missed the part where I said, "Now granted, I don't have a good solution to the problem that is dealing with these people and their footprint that they leave online, their probably isn't a (ethically) good answer to the problem."

I didn't bother replying to it because it's basically a useless part of an even more useless "criticism" of the movement and actions of the DropKiwifarms group.

 

[leejaclane]

somehow the link to kiwi farms still works on there

Probably because VanwaTech now provides CDN services to KF. The same company serves The Daily Stormer and 8chan. Not a lot can be done to put pressure on them, since VanwaTech is ideologically aligned with them.

Also can I just say, I find it very gross that some would suggest someone as incredibly bigoted and transphobic as Crowder is actually trans himself. Besides just the fact that speculating on someone's gender identity is invasive regardless of whether you're trans or not, it feels no different to me than when people suggest everyone who hates gay people is secretly gay themselves. There's a long tradition of comedians doing drag as a joke. Even if he likes wearing "women's" clothing, that doesn't make him trans. I think the much likelier thing to consider is that he has anxieties and shame about being attracted to trans women; I wouldn't be surprised if he consumes a lot of trans porn. Even that speculation feels unproductive and unfounded though, when there are plenty of real criticisms we can make instead.

 

[MikaDubbz]

Just because the second amendment is a whole fucking mess in and of itself

Oh, completely agree. And stalking laws are a mess too. None of this shit will ever get properly solved just by shutting down some websites. It's a nice feel good moment when you see a story like this, but when you recognize that the hate will still run strong and the awful shit these people do will continue to happen, it kinda makes you recognize how foolish celebrating anything like this really is.

 

[LainaGabranth]

Also can I just say, I find it very gross that some would suggest someone as incredibly bigoted and transphobic as Crowder is actually trans himself. Besides just the fact that speculating on someone's gender identity is invasive regardless of whether you're trans or not, it feels no different to me than when people suggest everyone who hates gay people is secretly gay themselves. There's a long tradition of comedians doing drag as a joke. Even if he likes wearing "women's" clothing, that doesn't make him trans. I think the much likelier thing to consider is that he has anxieties and shame about being attracted to trans women; I wouldn't be surprised if he consumes a lot of trans porn. Even that speculation feels unproductive and unfounded though, when there are plenty of real criticisms we can make instead.

oh no someone is not making extremely productive and scientifically calculated criticisms of an eggy weirdo a tragedy has fallen mankind

 

[Cris1997XX]

Oh, completely agree. And stalking laws are a mess too. None of this shit will ever get properly solved just by shutting down some websites. It's a nice feel good moment when you see a story like this, but when you recognize that the hate will still run strong and the awful shit these people do will continue to happen, it kinda makes you recognize how foolish celebrating anything like this really is.

Those small victories still feel great, at least to me, even though they might mean next to nothing. Now that Kiwi Farms is under the spotlight and the forums are possibly gone forever those toxic users will never be able to group up in such sizes ever again