1. Biff627

    Biff627 GBAtemp Addict
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    Well I mean... Its gotten to the point that SXOS linking is banned here so its just given people more of a reason to trash sxos users... lol Imo most of them just think that sxos users are stupid for paying for a CFW. Its most likely the same people that trashed on gatewaiters xD Its funny because Ive used gateway and sxos in the past and Ive also partaken in the thread trolling in the past :rofl:

    I do feel that the trolling and derailment has gotten a bit excessive, but I also see that both sides will never change the opinion of the other. Ive seen both sides have very valid points in an argument and the other side just ignores them and says that its false or trolling xD Tbh I kinda just wish that gbatemp gave us the option to ignore all sxos threads so I can just ignore this stuff instead of clicking on it right away.
     
  2. Basketto

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    just fyi im pretty impartial lol. The reality(for me) is that SX OS absolutely target piracy, and atmosphere is all about retro emulation.
    However the way I see it, is that you can do both on either OS, so at the end of the day not too much changes. Not for the end user at any rate.
    One good thing about the SX boot.dat i can say though, if you want to use an sd for a dual boot option(no CFW) and your using autorcm, no additional files are required to boot the so called(OFW) from the menu.
     
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  3. smf

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    Even though SX OS has functionality that isn't available and when you mention it then the argument is you should just buy SX OS. It's Kafkaesque.

    It's always been excessive & trolling has only divided people even more. You should stop it. Even if you really think you have a point then it doesn't mean you are right. You can just ignore SX OS threads, you don't have to let them trigger you.

    That doesn't sound impartial at all. SX OS can just as easily be used by people playing backups of their originals.

    In reality atmosphere is used for piracy by the majority of it's users, which is supported by gbatemp (and if they were impartial they would ban all the signature patch threads) and by saying "retro emulation" it sounds like you're trying to pretend that isn't piracy. You're deluding yourself, you should have more self respect.
     
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    I did not know it was not allowed to be posted here and that is good to know I'm not using sxos right now only atmosphere, But sxos is just so much easier to use just drag and drop.
     
  5. smf

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    Nice strawman. If you're not going to be sensible then I think we're done.

    It's only that the files can't be linked here, but weirdly you can link the piracy files for atmosphere. So it doesn't really make any sense.
     
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    could be because sx is payed cfw
     
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    I actually think it's more likely that the people deciding on whether files can be linked here, aren't aware of the legal issues.

    It was fine to link SX OS here to begin with, but it was stopped when keys were included. Even though it's impossible to copyright a key.

    It becomes illegal to distribute a key to circumvent DRM, but Atmosphere derives the key at run time which is equivalent. Either both are illegal or neither is.

    The copyright violation in SX OS was discovered after the keys & wasn't part of the decision.
     
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  8. scandal_uk

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    SX users are the same as Atmosphere users (except they paid for it). If it’s worth the extra XCI loader features for them then more power to them - nice.

    No need for bad feelings when we can’t solve problems specific to SX tho; I haven’t seen any particular bad feelings either way on GBAtemp forums?
     
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    I've not really been active on gbatemp for the last six months, but back when I was then any thread with anything positive about sx os was trolled and derailed.
     
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  10. PiracyForTheMasses

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    LMFAO You are clueless. Comparing apples to oranges. It is NOT equivalent. It is no different than people making tools to modify games. The tool can be distributed legally, the game contents can not.
     
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  11. The Real Jdbye

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    Sig patches are perfectly legal, that's not what the stolen keys thing is about. Apparently the XCI loading uses part of the game cart interface code, and that code is illegal to redistribute. I'm not sure what people mean about the stolen keys, I suppose they may be keys needed to emulate the game cart slot, or there might have been a misunderstanding at some point when the information was propagated. But I can tell you it's got nothing to do with sig patches, those are fine to link here.
     
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    They hardcode some tsec shit used for generating master keys + some other keys needed to boot (fun fact: They spent like an entire month back in early 2019 dumping the tsec shit for nothing, they could've just hardcoded the master key, which had already been public for awhile back then. Really shows how good their knowledge is kek)
     
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    Why did you only quote half my post? I said both atmosphere and SX can be used to either end? mx4w and retro NX spend time porting emulators, so they DO try and target retro emulation. Considering SX literally promoted themselves with videos of them playing switch backups, its pretty clear they target piracy. Their is also the fact atmosphere made further steps necessary to pirate switch games.
    Half the retro games you call “piracy” cannot be obtained in any other way, so it really is not comparable. Especially when nintendo no longer provide a method for playing or purchasing 99% of them.
    The fact you need to resort to calling me “strawman”, and can’t string together a competent reply, its clear you are a troll or cant engage in intelligent dialogue. You talk of self respect, and yet you’ve been stupid enough to suggest hacking your own personal console is illegal when scirsem has been doing it for years, and actually uploading proof,
    and further insane enough to suggest that downloading yuzu is illegal when it really isn’t, I could provide 100 sources, yet your large ego would overide the possibility that you are wrong.
    Further more only a complete cretin(or troll) would suggest that nintendo would put a bounty program encouraging illegal activities from their users. An entire topic already exists on the gbatemp about the legality of hacking your personal console, which the general ultimatum from 99 % being YES. Dozens of other sources come to the same conclusion, yet clearly you in your infinite wisdom know better.
    We are done here, please defer from quoting my posts, as its clearly not possible to engage in remotely intelligent dialogue.
    The fact you think your intelligence outstrips everyone working for nintendo, and they are stupid, that dont know what they are doing, speaks for itself. I’m not going to try and reason with stupidity or a troll. Especially when you go looking for arguements, telling me I am not impartial to either operating system, as clearly you know my point of view more than I do lol.
    Then when you literally have no rebutal to a valid point, you entire arguement is based on lowering yourself to personal insults like “strawman”.
     
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  14. Basketto

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    I wouldn’t be that surprised, hes already tried comparing SX OS to dealing drugs & emulators to cars.
     
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