Hacking Is it really worth the wait?

[Lumince]

Dude stop calling people morons or idiots cus they don't share your opinion. Let people update and enjoy the switch now and not 2 or more years later, when the switch becomes outdated. Why do you even bought the switch?

It said you quoted me xD

 

[MeowMeowMeow]

It said you quoted me xD

That's an exploit hehe

 

[Risingdawn]

The proposition has not changed.

If you want homebrew or a tinkering sandbox, yes it is worth it to wait. If you just want emulators, that's your call as there are numerous alternatives on the market for less that are already fully supported.

If you want games, its probably not worth it to wait. If you want pirated Switch games for free, don't bother as there's no guarantee that anything new will be accessible for a loader.

Unfortunately I think a great many people have seen the homebrew situation on Switch to mean they will be getting "backup" loaders and not really thinking about the implications of the changes made in 3.0.1 and the impact of efuses.

You're a better judge than me but i would lump Switch piracy in the same box as a 3.0.1 exploit, unlikely for a very long time if at all.

 

[:-infern:]

No it isnt. they will 100% be able to find more entry points.

Once they get hombrew, its the first step to finding more exploits, thatll lead to a cfw and possibly being able to read system packages, files and updates. With that they can look at the latest updates to find further exploits/see what has been changed.
It will happen, just maybe a few years.

Enjoy the console now for the games, forget homebrew. You have PSP, PS Vita, PC, Android for all of that..

 

[Thirty3Three]

Dude stop calling people morons or idiots cus they don't share your opinion. Let people update and enjoy the switch now and not 2 or more years later, when the switch becomes outdated. Why do you even bought the switch?

C'mon moron. (I mean that jokingly by the way!)

 

[Frysenberg]

No it isnt. they will 100% be able to find more entry points.

Where do these people keep coming from?

I'll say it again. You don't know this, nobody knows this, stop pretending you do.

 

[guyman70718]

Where do these people keep coming from?

I'll say it again. You don't know this, nobody knows this, stop pretending you do.

Why would they not? It's a console by nintendo! Even the DS Lite had a CFW. What would they suddenly change to have good security on their software?

 

[DuoForce]

Whoever this guy is does he even have proof? Or did he make some bullshit thread? IF he made some bullshit thread then it's SO not worth the wait

 

[Deleted User]

What would they suddenly change to have good security on their software?

Whether they're using eFuses or not. I know that's a hardware thing, but it's still important to consider when it comes to exploits since there have been exploits for other consoles in the past that do nothing but let you downgrade to a more vulnerable firmware.

 

[guyman70718]

Whether they're using eFuses or not. I know that's a hardware thing, but it's still important to consider when it comes to exploits since there have been exploits for other consoles in the past that do nothing but let you downgrade to a more vulnerable firmware.

I wouldn't worry. There (probably) be a way to patch the fuse check/burn out of the firmware. And just because we cannot downgrade does not mean we can not use exploits from the current firmware.

 

[weatMod]

when the developers tell people specifically not to update they do it for a good reason
this is going to be just like people who updated their 3DS when GW told them not to and then got all salty because they had to buy a sky3ds and still were left out in the col for homebrew

 

[alepman90]

Sorry developers,i'm definitely updating when God Of War hits the market waiting Microsoft to release this exclusive since for ever.

 

[Thirty3Three]

Where do these people keep coming from?

I'll say it again. You don't know this, nobody knows this, stop pretending you do.

This. Smh noobs

 

[:-infern:]

Where do these people keep coming from?

I'll say it again. You don't know this, nobody knows this, stop pretending you do.

How do I know this? Because unlike most people here I actually do security research, I've seen the patterns in systems and trends.

Just like the 3DS, when they were able to completely crack open a lower firmware, it gave them access to far more of the internals.
Because of that, even access to decrypting how the later firmwares work.
That way they could find the infamous NTRBoot exploit, because they were able to access and read the bootloader.
When a hacker cracks an initial firmware, that hardly anyone uses, for many of them thats not the end.
The goal is to demonstrate your skills and hack the latest firmware, regardless of whether you release the exploit or not.

Furthermore, judging from Nintendos crappy security in the past. I'm certain they've made mistakes again. Just a matter of time.

 

[fatsquirrel]

Nothing, I mean nothing is more worth it than Mario Odyssey, Splatoon 2 multiplayer and Arms punchfest.

 

[satan89]

Just like the 3DS, when they were able to completely crack open a lower firmware, it gave them access to far more of the internals.
Because of that, even access to decrypting how the later firmwares work.
That way they could find the infamous NTRBoot exploit, because they were able to access and read the bootloader.
When a hacker cracks an initial firmware, that hardly anyone uses, for many of them thats not the end.
The goal is to demonstrate your skills and hack the latest firmware, regardless of whether you release the exploit or not.

While this makes sense, you're basing all of this on the history of the 3ds scene. (AFAIK this holds true for the PSP scene as well). But if you look at some other consoles like the PS3, or the Vita, you'll see that sometimes even a completely cracked open firmware does not mean that you are guaranteed an exploit in future. Some consoles do have a 'golden firmware' and although it's too early to say anything, this might be it for the Switch. So take that into consideration before you advice others to update without a second thought.

 

[Burai-ha]

While this makes sense, you're basing all of this on the history of the 3ds scene. (AFAIK this holds true for the PSP scene as well). But if you look at some other consoles like the PS3, or the Vita, you'll see that sometimes even a completely cracked open firmware does not mean that you are guaranteed an exploit in future. Some consoles do have a 'golden firmware' and although it's too early to say anything, this might be it for the Switch. So take that into consideration before you advice others to update without a second thought.

Vita, completely cracked open? It's one of the systems we knows less about.
This is true for the PS3 as well: we understand the 3.55 firmware, but there are so many unanswered questions beyond.

 

[Cha0tic]

To me no it isn't worth it waiting.

 

[midnitdragoon]

Hi all.

I've had a switch since launch day and I love it. As of late as you all know there has been this "huge" exploit that has been found and your not able to use it when you update to 3.01.

I'm currently on 3.0 and I've been tempted so many times this past couple of days to update just to get access back on the Eshop for updates and demos etc.

We've not really been told what is to come out of all this and also how long it will be, neither do we have any footage that hax exist or at least I've not seen any.

In the coming months there are going to be some big titles hitting the switch (Fire Emblem, Mario Odysee, Pokemon) plus more and these are all going to require updating the console to a new firmware.

So for those who can't really go out and buy a second console. Is this hassle all worth it? Will we get proof soon what we will be able to do? Just what should we do sit back and hold our horses or bit the bullet and lose what could potentially be heaven?

I just had to create a account soon as I saw this question, forum lurker for quite some time. I would like to offer my perspective on the matter and hopefully that will help you make a decision. I bought a Playstation Vita on launch day and have kept my firmware low, right now version 3.60 (have to check). Only this year did I start reaping the benefits of staying at a low firmware. The PlayStation Vita launch in February 2012 and was in no way, shape, or form similar to the psp in terms of security. I had to wait years! So ill leave you with this in mind, know that if you stay at a low firmware you may or may not have access to the most up to date games. I promise you this though, If you are patient (and by patient i mean possibly waiting years) it will be worth it.

Also keep in mind that the switch is not like the PlayStation portable(PSP) on launch day...that system was open right from the get go.

 

[Maximilious]

How do I know this? Because unlike most people here I actually do security research, I've seen the patterns in systems and trends.
Furthermore, judging from Nintendos crappy security in the past. I'm certain they've made mistakes again. Just a matter of time.

Research and development are two completely different things. Just because you can research something (aka, google and read) doesn't mean you know how it actually works.

Can you tell me the pattern of XB360/ONE and PS3/4 security breaches? Fairly non-existent scene's there unless you owned a launch console or could JTAG your console. You're also forgetting two key words that were never a part of previous Nintendo Consoles - HackerOne Program.

I'm not saying new exploit's won't be found, but it is also not fair to say that they 100% will be either.