Is emuNAND really obsolete now?

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  1. GuyInDogSuit
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    Someone told me that having an emuNAND was pointless (based on my sig) and that they're no longer necessary. Is this true? Why is that?
     


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    its still needed if you want to use that gateway . . . dont listen too noobs
     
  3. KunoichiZ

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    Yes because A9LH can save your neck if you accidentally brick, if you have a recent NAND backup that is. EmuNAND was there for that because if you bricked your EmuNAND, you'd still have your perfectly working sysNAND. Also, if you want to play GBA/DSiware games, with an emuNAND setup, you'd have to install them to both NANDs, whereas with A9LH, you only have to install it to sysNAND.
     
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    They're only useful to change regions and for tests that could potentially brick your NAND.
     
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    sounds like gateway . . .lol
     
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    Yeah, I have quite a few GBA games, but they're installed to both NANDs for some reason....
     
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    Because they have to be installed to both NANDs in order for them to work on EmuNAND. I'm not sure why, but that's how it has to be.
     
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    Emunand still offers some benefits especially for gateway on a9lh. This prevents gateway having to run on sysnand which if updated in gateway mode on sysnand may brick. So it eliminated that brick risk. It also can be tinkered with without risking a brick on non a9lh systems but if you are still using a cfw with menuhax or whatever entry point bricking your sysnand is probably the reason you are shying away from a9lh
     
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    not needed in emunand as you have luma as well so you can load sysnand to play gba/dsi
     
  10. GuyInDogSuit
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    Yeah, I know. I just can't figure out how they ended up on both NANDs. They're not linked.
     
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    There's no EmuNAND patches for AGB_FIRM (GBA) or TWL_FIRM (DSi). That means that they will use the data on SysNAND. You only need it installed in EmuNAND so it shows up to launch it.

    EmuNAND is obsolete as a requirement, but it's still a useful thing to have. A9LH with just a CFW launching SysNAND is more than sufficient for most folks, as the A9LH exploit is protected from being removed during updates with any good CFW.

    EmuNAND is still needed when using Gateway, as Gateway does not protect A9LH, so using Gateway on A9LH SysNAND risks losing A9LH on O3DS or outright bricking a N3DS.

    EmuNAND is still fun to have an alternate version, such as region changing or just providing a separate sandbox to use.
     
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    My 3DS with Luma/Gateway functions perfectly without emuNAND.....

    It's not really needed these days, but there's no reason not to use it, though, aside from saving 1.2-1.6 GB on your SD.

    As somebody who has recently recovered from a hard brick, I must admit that it would have been a lot easier to fix if it was just my emuNAND that was bricked...
     
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    In absolute terms, yes, it is obsolete. Because its goal (which was to keep hacks available on the 3DS but also allow the user to access the latest firmware, so hacked sysNAND + updated emuNAND) can now be achieved without it, and using it prevents other stuff from working well (GBA VC works but it works better on a sysNAND-only setup since you don't have to reboot to another NAND than your main one to install/exit GBA VC).

    But other than that, it doesn't mean people can't have reasons/excuses to use one. Some are already listed above. One that I didn't read was that Gateway works better with it, not as in "can brick sysNAND" but as in "can autoboot emuNAND without a stupid nag". Another one being that it can be seen as easier to manage NAND backups since you can do them directly on a PC that can read your SD card (so it can your emuNAND), so you can give them smart names and put them in smart folders directly instead of backing up on your 3DS and then only copy them to PC with smart names and stuff.
     
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    Few of my clients actually prefers EmuNAND especially those who are scared of having their system being modified. Few reasons really, they are scared, and/or they want their "warranty" intact.
     
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    At least in Europe, afaik, modifying a console like this doesn't void the warranty.


    ANyway, OP, EmuNAND is... obsolete for the average user without specific needs. A9LH + CFW on SysNAND is safer, faster, and better for daily use as installing TWL and AGB titles to both NANDs is not needed.
     
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    Let me tell you a secret. [whisper]Warranty here is a lie.[/whisper]
     
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    With a9lh your system is modified whether running emuNAND or not.
     
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    It's obsolete yes, but also optional. You decide wheter you want to have one or not.
    I have a9lhed 6-7 3DS', for friends and family and because I know that they also like to experiment..I decide to make an emuNand on them and all is fine.
    Especially for me..Im a devoloper and like to change/experiment with something xD So In this time it's better to have one,.
    But yes, for the normal average user, there is no advantage to have an emuNand now, thats true.
     
  19. annson24

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    Oh-ho-ho. But with safehax, we can run luma3ds even without a9lh.
     
  20. Platinum Lucario

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    I don't really see it as obsolete, I use emuNAND (and MenuHax Loader, which is outdated, but works just as well in booting up a menu just like A9LH does) for various things, such as testing and debugging games. A9LH might be something that can be used a lot, but I would be weary of something that modifies the NATIVE_FIRM section of the NAND to boot onto the exploit directly. If anyone accidentally updated their console to any future firmware that would be released, there's a potential that the update could have variables in it that alter any data in the NATIVE_FIRM that has already been changed by the A9LH which can then render your sysNAND corrupted, resulting in a Bootrom errcode Blue Screen of Death. And if that happens, there's nothing that can be done, unless you have a backup and know someone that can solder and flash the NAND onto the internal storage chip.

    But really, in the end it all comes down the type of method you'd like to use for running Homebrew or any games that you have or any ROM hacks that you'd like to test out. If you really need to test out things on various firmwares, then using emuNANDs so you can backup your NAND incase anything goes wrong without having to modify the sysNAND itself on it's internal storage chip, so it provides a safe zone for testing stuff and checking newer firmware versions.

    But if you're really just using the 3DS for games and Homebrew, then perhaps sysNAND would be your choice. The NUS CDN updates can be blocked through the CFW loaders anyways, providing that they're actively being developed. And A9LH can be applied to NATIVE_FIRM to make it load the CFW loader before loading the rest of the NATIVE_FIRM.
     
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