i'm learning japanese, sharing what i'm learning!

[Mangofett]

I'm probably never going to Japan but I am still learning it. And I'm having fun.

Nothing is hard if you do it right. Except physics.

 

[Glacius0]

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Don't let that one spoiled egg in a dozen or more ruin?what you are trying to do. Helping others learn another language, that's a plus.

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Teaching people incorrect Japanese isn't helping them, which was my whole point.

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Do you feel offended by this somehow? Sure he's making some mistakes but I think you're overreacting when you say it's a bad thing. The best way to learn a language is to use it. Being scared of making mistakes and not using the language because of that is about the worst thing you can do.

By the way, you messed up your particles, buddy. It's ?, not ?. Maybe you should stop using Japanese in this thread because someone might try to learn something from it

I hope this thread doesn't die out, because learning Japanese can be a lot of fun. Keep it up, guys!

 

[test84]

thnx man!
i stopped learning cuz of my Masters exam in 3 months but watching BLEACH kinda helped in some little ways!

maybe I should start a thread and start talking japanese there with whatever you can but english, Romaji/Hiragana/Katakana/Kanji is allowed but english,
how is that?

 

[Glacius0]

thnx man!
i stopped learning cuz of my Masters exam in 3 months but watching BLEACH kinda helped in some little ways!

maybe I should start a thread and start talking japanese there with whatever you can but english, Romaji/Hiragana/Katakana/Kanji is allowed but english,
how is that?

Sounds like a fun way to learn. Why not give it a try? Although you might just want to start it in this topic, since else this one will just die out. Better to have all the Japanese-related stuff in one thread, right?

 

[test84]

right but i have plans to keep this going! (i know its been gathering dust for a while, but i will finish it up to the last, as said in first post!)

 

[KizunaIatari]

I'm trying my best to teach myself japanese but its making my head spin...

I try my best though...

 

[Ace Gunman]

~Learning Japanese, I think I'm learning Japanese, I really think so!~ I admire anyone who takes it upon themselves to learn an Asian language. Sure most people end up giving up due to the level of difficulty, but it's still a noble pursuit. Nothing wrong with trying to better yourself. The reading/writing seems to be the most difficult, so many symbols/character, ugh. The speaking part seems relatively straight forward however. Good luck to all of you who attempt this.

 

[BrianTokyo]

You just need good motivation to learn:

 

[tetsuya]

Got plenty of those kind of motivation, but only picking up iiya, kimochi, iku!... haha

 

[Eyedunno]

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[test84]

て == donno
の == n?
も == donno
お == 'a' (its a sound)
か == ka
し == shi
い。 == its ee but with that circle, is it tii?

would someone talk a little about Kanji? what are they and why there are there? and talk about kanjis in last post too?

 

[BrianTokyo]

私輪日本語話ますか

 

[BrianTokyo]

? == donno
? == n?
? == donno
? == 'a' (its a sound)
? == ka
? == shi
?? == its ee but with that circle, is it tii?

would someone talk a little about Kanji? what are they and why there are there? and talk about kanjis in last post too?

? == te
? == no
? == mo
? == o
? == ka
? == shi
?? == i.

?= .

 

[Mangofett]

Is there a Vista alternative to MS' Global IME for Japanese?

 

[test84]

would someone talk a little about Kanji? what are they and why there are there? and talk about kanjis in last post too?

lets start this way,
why they dont just write their words in Hiragana/Katakana ? isnt it their alphabet like other languages (beside of course, chineese) ?
and still they are not words, some of them are sounds still, and some work like expansion when they get beside other Kanjis, like numbers or floor, ceiling.

and you all ppl USING kanjis here, how did u learn it?

EDIT:
can u read this plz?

 

[BoneMonkey]

domo arigoto mr roboto !

 

[test84]

no, seriously, what does the say?

 

[Eyedunno]

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Okay, I'll participate semi-seriously. Kanji (hanzi in Chinese) are some several dozen thousand characters borrowed from Chinese for use in Japanese writing. Maybe 3000 or so of them see reasonably common use, though n00bs will tell you that number is 1,945, cuz that's the number the government has officially established for use in public schools, in government publications, and in major newspapers (with exceptions all over the place, however).

They exist because Japanese got writing from the Chinese, and the kana are just simplified/abbreviated forms of the kanji (? is cursive ?, ? is abbreviated ?, etc.).

They continue to be used today for a few reasons:
1) Japanese doesn't use spaces, so kanji, which represent meaning, make things easier to sort out.
2) They've been used for so long they've become part of the Japanese cultural identity, and besides, they're damned interesting.
3) There are a lot of words that are pronounced exactly the same, and even more where the accents are different, but the kana would be exactly the same, and kanji make those words very easy to deal with in writing, and also allow you to summarize in a few characters what would take a long sentence to say and be understood (useful for signs, newspaper headlines, and a lot of other stuff).
4) Conservative politicians have encouraged a trend toward increasing the number of kanji for common use.

As for kanji being words/sounds/pictures/symbols, well, all of these are kind of the wrong way to think of them. The oldest kanji were pictures or symbols representing ideas. But these became simplified to where most of them don't look like the thing they represent. And today (and heck, for the last couple thousand years), MOST kanji are in a category where part of the character is the basic category of meaning and another part of it stands for the pronunciation. I like to use ? (prefecture, specifically Kyoto/Osaka), ? (like a seal or a symbol, originally one made out of wood or bamboo, but now means all kinds of seals and symbols), ? (rotting), and ? (attaching) to illustrate this. All are pronounced ? (fu) in the Chinese derived pronunciation (Japanese pronunciations include "tsuku" and "kusaru") and ? shows the pronunciation. ? has "bamboo" as part of it, ? has "meat" as part of it, etc. So there's a logic to memorizing many kanji, but that doesn't mean it's easy, because you have to learn the logic, and there are tons of weird exceptions.

How did I learn kanji? By studying hard. And anyone who tells you there's another way to do it is full of it, period.

As for what Jarvik7 and I said, well, he said that "Shimashitakatta" is wrong and it should be shimashitaka. Personally, I was confused, and wasn't sure if that person wanted to say "benkyou shimashitaka" (did you study? - polite) or "benkyou shitakatta?" (with the question mark there, did you want to study? - politeness needs a suffix, like maybe "no desu ka").

Anyway, I replied that "nannenkan wo" (????) is also strange, because it makes "nannenkan" (how many years) the object, in other words, "how many years" is the thing being studied, which doesn't make any sense.

Finally, that kanji. I can't see all of it, so I'm not sure. It might be ?(ho/tamotsu, preservation), but I doubt it. It could also be an incorrect ? (kei, promise/contract) or ? (also kei, but a very rare kanji that means carving characters with a blade, which would be ironic, yet retarded as a tattoo). It might not even be a real kanji, however. Kanji tattoos are a very bad idea, as, outside East Asia, few people in tattoo parlors know what the heck they're doing (and in East Asia, it would just be like tattooing letters on your skin!). I even saw a U.S. tattoo show where they had a Japanese guy in the shop to help with kanji tattoos, and HE messed up a girl's tattoo! It was due to poor English. She wanted "peace of mind," and he gave her ?? meaning "peace," but as in no war (and it's ?? in Chinese, so Chinese people will think she got it backwards, haha). ?? would have been the proper kanji, but still a lame tattoo.

Okay, way more info than you need, and it took me forever to type this, so I'm out.

 

[webyugioh]

 Kanji tattoos are a very bad idea, as, outside East Asia, few people in tattoo parlors know what the heck they're doing (and in East Asia, it would just be like tattooing letters on your skin!). I even saw a U.S. tattoo show where they had a Japanese guy in the shop to help with kanji tattoos, and HE messed up a girl's tattoo! It was due to poor English. She wanted "peace of mind," and he gave her ?? meaning "peace," but as in no war (and it's ?? in Chinese, so Chinese people will think she got it backwards, haha). ?? would have been the proper kanji, but still a lame tattoo.

Both Japanese Kanji AND Chinese Hanzi get misused very often.

Check out Hanzi Smatterthis site for a bunch of examples of what i am talking about.

http://www.hanzismatter.com/

 

[test84]

thnx for ur info.
since ur a teacher, i was expecting more! *got greedy*