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test84 said:I was solving an exercise from Genki and I got a problem with Katakana:
how do you write these in Katakana: (I was going to write my name)
Ai
Di
Gh
Dr
with katakana? (seperately)
solarsaturn9 said:You cant really write out two letters and assign them katakana because it depends on what the context of the letters. Katakana is an alphabet to either emphasize words originally from the Japanese language or to write foreign loan words like ????? ( arubaito ) which means a part time job coming from the German word Arbeiter ( ? not sure how to spell the German word )
thebobevil said:solarsaturn9 said:You cant really write out two letters and assign them katakana because it depends on what the context of the letters. Katakana is an alphabet to either emphasize words originally from the Japanese language or to write foreign loan words like ????? ( arubaito ) which means a part time job coming from the German word Arbeiter ( ? not sure how to spell the German word )
I tried to tell him that
kikuchiyo said:thebobevil said:solarsaturn9 said:You cant really write out two letters and assign them katakana because it depends on what the context of the letters. Katakana is an alphabet to either emphasize words originally from the Japanese language or to write foreign loan words like ????? ( arubaito ) which means a part time job coming from the German word Arbeiter ( ? not sure how to spell the German word )
I tried to tell him that
Well, that said there are two footnotes:
A) It's English romaji that's irregular, not katakana (that was unclear from the posts). Katakana is super regular (that's why, as I said elsewhere, it's easier for me to read katakana Bangla as opposed to romanized Bangla).
B) If you live here, katakana is for a lot of different reasons; some people like signing their names in katakana because it's the easiest to write (an ex was like this). It is often used in novels and mail to not to emphasize, but to break up would otherwise be a long string of hiragana.
Raisingod said:The reason they picked tsu was that there is no partical that you write as tsu.
Basicly the reason for its exsitense was that the japanese realized that in a syllabary system you cant write long consonants and since japanese use it there was a need to add this to the writing language , this need only arrouse as katakana(as it was intreduced as an official writing system before hiragana { used by females only at that time}) became an official writing system . The problem was that by the time that katakana was considered an official writing language the common solution was to write a tsu to indicate a long consonants fallows .
It probably would have been different if it was up to the administration to decide what to use to indicate that.
Jarvik7 said:Raisingod said:The reason they picked tsu was that there is no partical that you write as tsu.
Basicly the reason for its exsitense was that the japanese realized that in a syllabary system you cant write long consonants and since japanese use it there was a need to add this to the writing language , this need only arrouse as katakana(as it was intreduced as an official writing system before hiragana { used by females only at that time}) became an official writing system . The problem was that by the time that katakana was considered an official writing language the common solution was to write a tsu to indicate a long consonants fallows .
It probably would have been different if it was up to the administration to decide what to use to indicate that.
That's some nice reasoning, but it's wrong. It was written as a ? and later as ? because the ? sound is what normally triggers a geminate in compound words. Take for example these:
?? ????????=??????? (this also undergoes ??)
????????????
???????????????????
The premodern writers were simply writing out the separate ???? for each ?? with the ?? shorthand. The shrinking of it to ? is a much later development.
I haven't taken the time to search my ???? but I have an inkling that ?? lacks geminate sounds altogether and that they are a carryover from Chinese. Any/most exceptions to the above are probably a result of borrowing/coining after the use of ? was established as general practice for geminates. There are many other examples of pre-modern ?? usage not being phonetic by sticking very closely to the grammar. Japanese grammar actually became less logical (in that much was hidden) due to the ???? & post-WWII reformations that made reading itself simpler.
Keep in mind that Japanese never had an "official standard" of any sort until the late 19th century. The closest thing would be writing in classical Chinese, which was what was used for official documents of state for the majority of Japan's history. Writing in the vernacular (aka Japanese) was the reserve of bored aristocratic women and poets up until the ????, at which point some ?? started writing fiction. The writing of Japanese varied widely person to person (see "hentaigana" on wikipedia or similar for one example).
yzx571 said:???????????????????????????solarsaturn9 said:?????????????????
Helix94 said:How do you guys type in these characters? Is there some type of English AND Japanese keyboard?
Because people from Iran can't have the same interest as other people around the world right? Their only interest should be bellydancing yea?Vidboy10 said:A person from Iran wants to learn Japanese?
What a small world.
They can.Digeman said:Because people from Iran can't have the same interest as other people around the world right?Vidboy10 said:A person from Iran wants to learn Japanese?
What a small world.
Jarvik7 said:I haven't taken the time to search my ???? but I have an inkling that ?? lacks geminate sounds altogether and that they are a carryover from Chinese. Any/most exceptions to the above are probably a result of borrowing/coining after the use of ? was established as general practice for geminates. There are many other examples of pre-modern ?? usage not being phonetic by sticking very closely to the grammar. Japanese grammar actually became less logical (in that much was hidden) due to the ???? & post-WWII reformations that made reading itself simpler.
how would it be awkward?QUOTE said:Just I find it awkward how somebody in the middle east could Like japan.
And having a member from Iran on the Temp is kinda awkward when you think about it.
Haven't you heard? Everyone in the middle east live in the desert, rides on a camel, lives in a tent and does nothing but smoke and trade women.iPikachu said:topic is yours?
how would it be awkward?QUOTE said:Just I find it awkward how somebody in the middle east could Like japan.
And having a member from Iran on the Temp is kinda awkward when you think about it.