I Like Naruto.

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  1. Rydian
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    I also like One Piece, Berserk, and I'm currently obsessed with JoJo's Bizarre Adventure (just finished part 5 today).

    Now, why am I making this thread?
    It's because I'm noticing a trend.

    Now, let's take Naruto as an example, since it's what I used to draw your interest to this thread. It's okay to dislike Naruto for actual reasons. Here, I'll be helpful and give you all some examples.
    • The morals and focuses given are ones aimed for more immature audiences. Things like "follow your dream", "don't give up", "pure revenge is destructive", and "a hard worker is better than a lazy talented person" make the series sometimes sound like the Japanese version of Dora The Explorer.

    • The stated societal structure is beyond believable. The world the series takes place in is a big jumble of shit that couldn't possibly work the way the characters pretend it does. Each country has one ninja village and they rely on them, but seem to also not give a shit about them, and the power level of the hokage (in terms of politics) varies highly (early on they're depicted almost as world leaders, later on it's specified they're just the leader of the village), how the villages deal with the actual civilian locations is almost complete disregard, etc. The way the world is set up just doesn't work, suspension of disbelief fails.

    • Character growth is much slower than people are used to. Believe it or not, it actually exists (in recent chapters Naruto has actually made friends with the fox spirit inside him, and learned it's name), but it's so slow that you can easily spend a hundred chapters dealing with a character who has annoying flaws (mainly Naruto himself from the start), and that's way too long for some people, especially when you consider the growth that some animated series tend to shove into a 26-episode series.

    • The entire concept of "ninjas" in the series... it's laughable. Most of the outfits are not geared towards stealth at all, assassination is rarely mentioned, when it's performed everybody in a 10-block radius sees it happen, etc.
    Now, is this the type of stuff you see whenever Naruto comes up?

    No, you rarely see more than a sentence, and if you can go a whole page of a thread without spotting a "Naruto sucks and you're stupid for watching it" post, the planets must be in a certain alignment or something!

    So the first recognized issue is that people dislike things without actual reasons and are vocal about it. Being people that deal with video games all the time, I'm sure we've realized this already. "PS3 sucks, BTW I've never played one but I know it sucks", etc.

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    Now, normally those posts are quite easy to spot and ignore, but there's an unfortunate pattern that hides it. Here's a good example of the pattern.
    http://gbatemp.net/threads/do-you-think-pokémon-is-overestimated.340371/
    Go there, and you'll see four pages of people complaining, but the third and fourth pages are the most interesting. Read them, and you'll spot some sort of behavior.

    One person brings up something that could be used to denounce the series/object/whatever, and suddenly everybody else rushes in and runs with it, even if it's bullshit. To them, it's something they can grab, hold up over their heads, and cry out "SEE THIS, THIS IS A REASON FOR MY DISLIKE!" because it exists, and at a glance it appears to hold more merit than "it sucks and you suck for liking it" which given them the appearance of being backed with experience.

    The problem is that these things are most often wrong, but get passed around with such speed that, to an outside observer, it almost looks like common sense. At that point, it just encourages people to jump on the bandwagon or they think they risk looking like they don't know something everybody else does. Think about it in other situations as well. How many times have you seen somebody says "Mac are better because they use better processors" even though they use the same Intel processors as PCs?

    So the second issue is that people will pass off false info in an attempt to have some backing when they denounce something or somebody.

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    Now, as for getting into why people do this on a subconscious level, that could be an entire other thread... My point is that people do this on GBAtemp all the time, and it's bad, wrong, mean, badong, whatever.

    Please try to stop doing it.
     
  2. Riyaz

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    anime <3 only naruto problem is fillers but thats why i read the manga :D :D :D^_^
     
  3. Rydian
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    If that's a slight at me - that was an EoF thread, plus I clarified what I actually meant. :P I mean, you gotta agree, neither Naruto nor One Piece are really "high-class" Anime - they're sluggers and time-munchers, really. ;) That said, yeah, I suppose you're right, we shouldn't crap on something when our reasons are superficial.
     
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  5. Sly 3 4 me

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    I just let people like what they like without mentioning if I don't like it, since I like things, and they like things. I wanted to add large quantities of the word like into that sentence.

    Simple as that.

    I also just watched Berserk a few weeks ago. 1080P 10 bit. It was awesome. I loved the soundtrack. :creep:
     
  6. Rydian
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    Actually you were like the only person to even give a reason.
     
  7. Guild McCommunist

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    I always thought that it was funny that they're "ninjas" but Naruto wears the equivalent of an orange prison jumpsuit.

    I mean a lot of anime is quite honestly pandering shlock. Like basically it boils down to hitting a few keynotes to make people like it and not really trying to progress or make anything spectacular. I mean it's not anime exclusively that is filled with pandering shlock, it's the same with any media, but anime just really sticks out as it feels most shows boil down to a very few basic elements that their fanbases love for some odd reason.
     
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    As westerners, we don't really get the "full picture", just the dubbed/subbed part of it, really. Certain types of Anime are "popular" in the west and those are plucked out from the overall pool and "conditioned" for us to view.
     
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    I wouldn't toss up everything to "western ignorance" or "western filtering". Like I think no matter what way you shape it, Naruto is Naruto and it's pretty much shlock. Same with Dragon Ball Z, One Piece, etc.
     
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    I'm not saying it isn't, I'm saying that it's "gobbled up" and as such, Anime's that are similar to it are being "picked" for the western audiences to watch by publishers. You don't normally publish something that won't sell, right? ;)
     
  11. Valwin

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    i like tsunade tits they are huge yep
     
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    Or probably they wouldn't want to invest much in buying copyrights for 12/24 episode animes.
    They want something that's already big.
     
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    Which is a shame, because more often than not, those "shorter" Anime's are actually fantastic.

    I mean, for example, sitting through the entirety of Outlaw Star doesn't take more than 2 days and it's worth it.
     
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    While I don't think people should bash something they have no basis for bashing, i'm not going to start explaining myself every time I state a fact either, just to clarify that I do in fact have an educated opinion. Mostly because it's a needless hassle to explain things everyone already knows. I think that description falls under your second category there, but meh. I only explain myself it it's actually needed, like if it's a thread about something. If it's just a pot shot at something, i'm not going to write a book on why I just said what I said.
    I'd be writing a lot of books on this forum.


    Did you just generalize anime and then only name the big name shit for children?
    Not that i can say much, I spent my entire highschool career bashing anime for being mindless shit because all i'd ever seen was the big name stuff.
     
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    I feel like Rydian just wrote a thesis paper for his final grade in GBAtemp 401.
     
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    Good for you, now go watch some Naruto, sport.
     
  17. Rydian
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    Therein lies a problem...

    I was going to continue into the possible psychological reasons, but then realized most people wouldn't make it halfway through anyways.
     
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    Preach on.
     
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    Am I the only one who wants to read Rydian's thesis?

    I mean, we just went through a thread about 5th dimension aliens using quantum energy to create the world, psychic energy, pyrokinesis, drug abuse being beneficial, alleged crop circles (because when aliens are powerful enough to create life, they tend to be interested only in artistic gardening) and how we can create nutrition with the power of our mind as long as we have love in our hearts and awaken our middle brain, how is this not as interesting, if not more? :tpi:
     
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