You all dont realize how serious i take this issue. Seeing this is how you all view the subject, i'll refrain from ever speaking of it again, because you obviously cant comprehend the fact of stealing someone else's work. And youve got another thing coming if you think this forum is about "brotherhood", theres a very large seething underbelly to this forum that contradicts all i thought it used to stand for. So be it. And to be back on topic (i apologize for ym outburst), use Photoshop 7.0 or CS. Its worth the extra time it takes to learn.