Ground Zero Mosque. Yes or No?

[Al_Yahud]

Freedom of religion? Either you are an Islamist or just an idiot Blood Fetish. We will not permit the Islamists to take over hallowed ground. Trust me, nothing good will come out of this if they build. However, it's not surprising they want to build there, if you look at their history of taking over holy places belonging to other religions and building their mosques there. Makes me sick....

The Islamists are trying to take over the world and now GBAtemp. They want to push their religion on everyone - read the Koran lately?

I saw a sign recently that sums it up - Everything I know about Islam I learned on 9/11...

There are no moderate Muslims. They just disagree as to the means by which they want to accomplish their goal of world domination.

How true.

 

[TrolleyDave]

Simply because it would feel like a religion not understanding the concept of how disturbing it is to another person that someone could be twisted enough by a religion, any religion, to massacre thousands of innocent people.

I suspect that the terrorists who crashed into the World Trade Center twisted Islam in order to justify their actions rather than the other way around.


Something which I already previously stated. It still doesn't make it feel any less morally dubious.

You can see where I'm going with this.

No I can't. That sounds like a red herring to me. Sure, someone could rationalize anything and that doesn't make it morally right. But that's not what we were discussing. We were discussing whether something irrational can be morally right.

-Bri

Hmm, ok fair enough. Let me cut it really short then. Do you believe in the constitutional right to religion of freedom and the practice of the components of said religion?

edit : Sorry never noticed the edit. Justify why I believe my decision is the morally superior one even though it's irrational. I'm not saying they should be denied the right to build, I'm simply asking them to take into account how those who lost loved ones on 9/11 felt.

QUOTE(Pyrate02 @ Aug 23 2010, 10:22 PM)

Freedom of religion? Either you are an Islamist or just an idiot Blood Fetish. We will not permit the Islamists to take over hallowed ground. Trust me, nothing good will come out of this if they build. However, it's not surprising they want to build there, if you look at their history of taking over holy places belonging to other religions and building their mosques there. Makes me sick....

The Islamists are trying to take over the world and now GBAtemp. They want to push their religion on everyone - read the Koran lately?

I saw a sign recently that sums it up - Everything I know about Islam I learned on 9/11...

There are no moderate Muslims. They just disagree as to the means by which they want to accomplish their goal of world domination.

How true.

Now that's just being alarmist and paranoid.

 

[Bri]

Something which I already previously stated. It still doesn't make it feel any less morally dubious.

1) If you agree then why did you state it the way you did? 2) Nobody said that what the terrorists did wasn't morally dubious.

QUOTEHmm, ok fair enough. Let me cut it really short then. Do you believe in the constitutional right to religion of freedom and the practice of the components of said religion.

Yes, I believe in the constitutional right to freedom of religion. I also believe that one should be free to practice their religion (or lack thereof) as long as it doesn't involve interfering with the rights of others.

-Bri

 

[Slyakin]

Freedom of religion? Either you are an Islamist or just an idiot Blood Fetish. We will not permit the Islamists to take over hallowed ground. Trust me, nothing good will come out of this if they build. However, it's not surprising they want to build there, if you look at their history of taking over holy places belonging to other religions and building their mosques there. Makes me sick....

The Islamists are trying to take over the world and now GBAtemp. They want to push their religion on everyone - read the Koran lately?

I saw a sign recently that sums it up - Everything I know about Islam I learned on 9/11...

There are no moderate Muslims. They just disagree as to the means by which they want to accomplish their goal of world domination.

How true.

I'm afraid to say that he might NOT be trolling, and he's just another example of how America needs to be EDUCATED, not fought over. I just hope for peace, neutrality, cookies, and this house of worship to be built.

Heck, it isn't even a house of worship. It's a COMMUNITY center based on the Islamic faith. I've seen thousands based on Christianity, so this seems appropriate.

 

[Al_Yahud]

Ha, that's one thing I haven't been called before - cunning troll!

In this case, don't you mean freedom of religion = freedom for the Islamists to impose Islam on the rest of us? That is not what the great USA stands for. Unfortunately, its not about freedom of religion for them. It's quite clear what they want, and either you are an Islamist or an apologist for them.

Do you even know what the Muslims say in their prayers? They're not exactly fond of Christians.

WAKE UP AMERICA! The enemy is here and they are gunning for you.

 

[Slyakin]

Ha, that's one thing I haven't been called before - cunning troll!

In this case, don't you mean freedom of religion = freedom for the Islamists to impose Islam on the rest of us? That is not what the great USA stands for. Unfortunately, its not about freedom of religion for them. It's quite clear what they want, and either you are an Islamist or an apologist for them.

Do you even know what the Muslims say in their prayers? They're not exactly fond of Christians.

WAKE UP AMERICA! The enemy is here and they are gunning for you.

I'm a freaking muslim, and what we pray is just our servitude to God and our un dying loyalty to him.

That's what gets to these extremists. They want to please God (we have the same God as Christians, so you know) and don't know how. In the end, they blow something up.

PLEASE listen. WE are NOT evil, and I want more people to know this. Please.

 

[TrolleyDave]

Sorry Blood Fetish, that was meant to be a merge.

 

[Al_Yahud]

Yeah right - they want to impose Sharia on everyone and have a global Islamic state....

You are so full of it Derp.

Look at what the Taliban is doing in Afghanistan. Look at what is going on with Al Shabob in Somalia.

They want to do the same thing here in America.

Any by desecrating Ground Zero, its a start.

It has to be stopped, and it will be stopped one way or another.

 

[Blood Fetish]

Help! Help! I'm being repressed!

When was I trampling on the first Amendment? I've never stated that they should be forced to stop. I said people should have the right to be offended and protest. For me the protesting of said building is more of an attempt to appeal the same kind of emotion that I feel, and to understand why some people feel it is insensitive. As for saying that people don't have th right to not be offended you've kind of got me confused? Are you saying it's not alright to agree with the building? And when have I ever said that I believe it poses a threat? (Sorry never noticed that part originally).
I understand your point and apologize if that is truly how you feel. While it is certainly possible for people to be protesting in the hopes that the builders will simply choose not to build there, I really do not get the feeling that is what the vast majority of the protesters are about. This seems like more than an "emotional appeal" to the builders so much as them wanting to force construction to be halted; thus my comment about the first amendment.

Why though? I mean does she truly need to understand any more than she has a home for life, someone who will always take care of her and love her. And after all, they could get divorced when she's older if she truly is unhappy with the situation.
As I have said, she is not in a position to make that decision, and marriage is a contract between two people. Once she is of age and fully understands the implications of marrying a 50 year old man she is free to do that.

QUOTE(Pyrate02 @ Aug 23 2010, 10:22 PM)

Freedom of religion? Either you are an Islamist or just an idiot Blood Fetish. We will not permit the Islamists to take over hallowed ground. Trust me, nothing good will come out of this if they build. However, it's not surprising they want to build there, if you look at their history of taking over holy places belonging to other religions and building their mosques there. Makes me sick....

The Islamists are trying to take over the world and now GBAtemp. They want to push their religion on everyone - read the Koran lately?

I saw a sign recently that sums it up - Everything I know about Islam I learned on 9/11...

There are no moderate Muslims. They just disagree as to the means by which they want to accomplish their goal of world domination.

How true.

I cannot tell if you are being serious or are just a cunning troll. I am tempted to type out a point-for-point reply, but I am confident you will not consider anything I say. As a fun game, you can replace "Islamists" (otherwise known as Muslims) with "Christians" in that sentence and it would be just as relevant. Freedom of religion means freedom for all religions, not just yours.

 

[Samurai Goomba]

Simply because it would feel like a religion not understanding the concept of how disturbing it is to another person that someone could be twisted enough by a religion, any religion, to massacre thousands of innocent people.

I suspect that the terrorists who crashed into the World Trade Center twisted Islam in order to justify their actions rather than the other way around.


Something which I already previously stated. It still doesn't make it feel any less morally dubious.

Well then maybe I want the church near my house demolished for all the terrible things the KKK have done.

It is backward to penalise people for the actions carried out by others whom they have likely never met. I can't believe the number of racists around here...


QUOTE(Pyrate02 @ Aug 23 2010, 10:22 PM)

Freedom of religion? Either you are an Islamist or just an idiot Blood Fetish. We will not permit the Islamists to take over hallowed ground. Trust me, nothing good will come out of this if they build. However, it's not surprising they want to build there, if you look at their history of taking over holy places belonging to other religions and building their mosques there. Makes me sick....

The Islamists are trying to take over the world and now GBAtemp. They want to push their religion on everyone - read the Koran lately?

I saw a sign recently that sums it up - Everything I know about Islam I learned on 9/11...

There are no moderate Muslims. They just disagree as to the means by which they want to accomplish their goal of world domination.

How true.

Unless you're trolling (which is highly probable), it's people like you who make me sorry to be human... and glad not to be American. You really are sick (unless you are trolling, in which case you're just a dick).

 

[Slyakin]

Yeah right - they want to impose Sharia on everyone and have a global Islamic state....

You are so full of it Derp.

Look at what the Taliban is doing in Afghanistan. Look at what is going on with Al Shabob in Somalia.

They want to do the same thing here in America.

Any by desecrating Ground Zero, its a start.

It has to be stopped, and it will be stopped one way or another.

Of course, again, these are the TERRORISTS. The muslims aren't the ones that WANT this.

You must honestly learn before you speak, you asshole.

 

[Blood Fetish]

Yeah right - they want to impose Sharia on everyone and have a global Islamic state....

All religions want to "spread the word" to the rest of the world. Look no farther than Christian "missionaries". There are also quite a few Christian community centers around, you might know them by their more popular name the YMCA (among others).

 

[Depravo]

Ha, that's one thing I haven't been called before - cunning troll!

He wanted to call you a cunting troll but was just too polite.

 

[Al_Yahud]

Last I heard, YMCA doesn't force women to cover up head to toe, force people to stop listening to music, force people to stop educating their daughters, force perverted values on everyone, and the list goes on and on...

Go back to whatever hole in Afghanistan you crawled out of. If you want to live in an Islamist state, go live in Somalia or Afghanistan.

We don't want or need people like you in the USA.

 

[Magmorph]

Ha, that's one thing I haven't been called before - cunning troll!

In this case, don't you mean freedom of religion = freedom for the Islamists to impose Islam on the rest of us? That is not what the great USA stands for. Unfortunately, its not about freedom of religion for them. It's quite clear what they want, and either you are an Islamist or an apologist for them.

Do you even know what the Muslims say in their prayers? They're not exactly fond of Christians.

WAKE UP AMERICA! The enemy is here and they are gunning for you.
Yes the enemy is here. The enemy is the people who repress the rights of others.

QUOTE(Pyrate02 @ Aug 23 2010, 03:42 PM) Yeah right - they want to impose Sharia on everyone and have a global Islamic state....

You are so full of it Derp.

Look at what the Taliban is doing in Afghanistan. Look at what is going on with Al Shabob in Somalia.

They want to do the same thing here in America.

Any by desecrating Ground Zero, its a start.

It has to be stopped, and it will be stopped one way or another.

Look at what the crusades did to Europe. We have to stop the practice of Christianity.

 

[TrolleyDave]

Let's not turn this into an anti-Islam debate, this should have nothing to do with being anti-Islam. If you're simply anti-Islam then go out and pick up some books that aren't written by right wing alarmists.

 

[Magmorph]

Last I heard, YMCA doesn't force women to cover up head to toe, force people to stop listening to music, force people to stop educating their daughters, force perverted values on everyone, and the list goes on and on...

Go back to whatever hole in Afghanistan you crawled out of. If you want to live in an Islamist state, go live in Somalia or Afghanistan.

We don't want or need people like you in the USA.

Yes the Islamic community center defiantly forces women to cover up, forces people to stop listening to music, and teaches not to educate your daughter. Everyone knows that's what a community center is used for.

 

[Slyakin]

Let's not turn this into an anti-Islam debate, this should have nothing to do with being anti-Islam. If you're simply anti-Islam then go out and pick up some books that aren't written by right wing alarmists.

Yeah, we really should get back to the topic on hand.

ANYWAY... That video posted a few pages back really summarizes what I wanted to say. Islam is NOT a hate religion, it is NOT a terrorist religion, and it is only the complete stupidity of AMER'CANZ (like Pyrate) that makes us look bad.

Hopefully one of you guys accepts me as a person and not a terrorist, right?

 

[Blood Fetish]

Last I heard, YMCA doesn't force women to cover up head to toe, force people to stop listening to music, force people to stop educating their daughters, force perverted values on everyone, and the list goes on and on...
Neither would this center.

QUOTE(Pyrate02 @ Aug 23 2010, 10:53 PM) Go back to whatever hole in Afghanistan you crawled out of. If you want to live in an Islamist state, go live in Somalia or Afghanistan.

We don't want or need people like you in the USA.

Sure you do, otherwise who would buy your french fries?

 

[Al_Yahud]

Spoken like a true Islamist.

I guess you guys are attempting to take over GBAtemp now too...

How come there isn't a big mosque constructed on the home page yet?