Games that deserve a second chance

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So THIS thread, is about games that were bad, but didn't HAVE to be. either because of time constraints, or lack or technology, these games failed, but had a ton of promise.
These are games that could succeed if remade.

I'll start with 2. Quest 64 and Hey You Pikachu.

Q64 was a game that was literally as bare bones as an RPG can get. For those who don't know, barely any plot or story was put in, any more than as a basic "go this way next" sort of direction. WHICH IS A DAMN SHAME.

the battle system, with a little more polish, would have been something that i have no doubt would have been affecting rpgs to this day.
The ability for you and your enemy to move as soon as a spell is cast, potentially dodging its effects? attacks becoming more powerful as you use them? the idea of combining more than one element in different orders to become new spells?

The runaway system, where if your personallly movement circle went outside of the battle, you could escape, was nicely done.

also if anyone remembers morrowind and oblivion? USING your stats to power them up? taking hits to build defense and hp? moving in the battlefield to increase your movement range? this game had that, ON AN N64. it had so much going for it.

what happened? People were impatient. they wanted an rpg experience for the n64, and they wanted it now. SInce the other rpg in development at the time was their first party series, Legend of Zelda: Ocarina of Time, they chose to punt this one, making it loosely functional and booting it out the door.

I'm not saying they made hte wrong choice there. i wouldn't trade OoT for any other game. its a huge part of my childhood and was amazing, but Q64 had so much potential. the music is amazing, the graphics were good for their time. If people hadn't been so impatient back then, if it had gotten the time to actually finish it, this would have been amazing too.

as someone who enjoyed playing hte battle system(a rarity for me. story>gameplay type, big time) as a child, i spent a lot of time doing research into the game and what made it fail, and what they had planned for it. there is so much lore that was supposed to go into the game, so much more to the story, the characters, and the monsters(it wasn't called "Eltale Monsters" for nothing). its honestly a little disheartening to think how much of that lore might be lost forever, now that so much time has passed, but this game i feel deserved so much more than it got.

In my late teens(you know how kids are at that age), one thing i wanted to do when i worked for Nintendo was either remake the game, or remake the battle system for my own rpg. But that's how i feel about this game.

This is getting kinda long though, so i'll save HYP for if anyone is actually interested in this thread.
 
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I think the hero's name of Quest 64 is Brian, which is my name actually. I haven't played the game, but I know it's notorious for being bad. I usually use project 64 on my laptop to run n64 games, but I haven't really messed with anything other than Mario 64, and that's when I was researching using an n64 save on the wii u, which did work btw.
 

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Well yeah, it was bad, because it got booted out the door in a state that was functional at best. It had so much potential, and it really is a shame it never got a chance to be finished up properly.
 

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The obvious choice is No Man's Sky, so I'll just go with that. Hello Games totally fucked up the hype train and the launch of that game, over promising on features and things that just weren't feasible for a dev team that size, but where most devs would just give up on the game and never touch it again after that disaster (ala Cube World when it released on Steam, RIP that game cuz I loved the Alpha and the premise :(), they doubled down and actually fixed and improved the game in every single way. At this point, it's literally as good as they promised it'd be and more IMO, and I think anyone who blew the game off those first few months because of the shit storm should definitely pick it back up to see all the crazy additions and improvements they made to the game, it's definitely worth a second chance now.


I'd like to see your argument for Hey You Pikachu TBH, because while I loved that game to death as a kid, voice activated gameplay is honestly terrible and I can't think of anything in even modern times that'd make a premise like Hey You Pikachu enjoyable for more than 30 minutes. It's a nice gimmick for the late 90s, but there's a reason most modern games that use voice activation are trash or no more advanced than 5-10 phrases.

A fully fleshed out battle simulator kind of like Pokemon Showdown with voice commands would be interesting I think, but the little virtual pet type of gameplay for HYP...ehhhhh.
 
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Fallout 4 or Fallout 76, I suppose. Critically successful for sure, but also the death knell for any hopes of seeing good story in a Fallout game ever again. 4 had a lot of good gameplay changes, especially in the gunplay, and I still find it to be an okay game, but I really never find myself ever wanting to go back to it, while all the older Fallout games--even 3--I still find to have interesting design, choices, and obviously story.
 
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Sonic 2006 pretty much. I would say Quest 64 too, I felt it was a better adventure game than Ocarina of Time tbh. Scratch that, every Sonic game from Sonic Heroes to Sonic and the Black Knight.
 
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Sonic 2006 pretty much. I would say Quest 64 too, I felt it was a better adventure game than Ocarina of Time tbh. Scratch that, every Sonic game from Sonic Heroes to Sonic and the Black Knight.
i love the sonic series. there are so many games with such potential. Black Knight was okay at best, but there was so much more they could have done!

There's a lot of things that sonic06 did that i felt let me down in a lot of ways, storywise. the gameplay just needed ironed out but someone really should have taken the story back to the drawing board. the weird romance stuff for one, was just, kinda eeeeh.
 
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I beat Kane & Lynch 2 the other day, it was short crappy and probably didn't deserve a second chance.
 

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A Black Mesa/Generations style remake of the Adventure games would be interesting to see, including the different gameplay styles.

Sonic 2006 pretty much. I would say Quest 64 too, I felt it was a better adventure game than Ocarina of Time tbh. Scratch that, every Sonic game from Sonic Heroes to Sonic and the Black Knight.

i love the sonic series. there are so many games with such potential. Black Knight was okay at best, but there was so much more they could have done!

There's a lot of things that sonic06 did that i felt let me down in a lot of ways, storywise. the gameplay just needed ironed out but someone really should have taken the story back to the drawing board. the weird romance stuff for one, was just, kinda eeeeh.

You might be interested in this, it explains allot:
 

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Balan Wonderland. For all the shortcomings, the game had some real heart and passion shining through it, and given more time and polish, it couldn've been a proper NiGHTS Into Dreams successor that a lot of people have been waiting for. ThorHighHeels made a good video on it, much recommendorino

 

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Balan Wonderland. For all the shortcomings, the game had some real heart and passion shining through it, and given more time and polish, it couldn've been a proper NiGHTS Into Dreams successor that a lot of people have been waiting for. ThorHighHeels made a good video on it, much recommendorino

Fun fact, i waited for a long time for it to come out. I still plan to buy it when it goes on sale.

I'm the kind of person for whom story is usually more important than gameplay. its why silent hill 4 is one of my favorite silent hill games.

i agree about its heart and passion. the creator felt like he'd been WAITING to make this game. and i hope sometime down the road he gets a proper chance to make his dream come true.
 
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Sonic Unleashed - Remove the RPG elements / Warehog stuff and that would have been a fun game. The demo was perfect, just non stop action.

I actually still need to play this, however Sonic Generations - Unleashed Project essentially ported the levels from Unleased to the PC, aka the perfect game.
Wow, you mean remove the stuff that makes Sonic Unleashed good? How about you don't play Sonic Unleashed and stick to the classic games.

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i love the sonic series. there are so many games with such potential. Black Knight was okay at best, but there was so much more they could have done!

There's a lot of things that sonic06 did that i felt let me down in a lot of ways, storywise. the gameplay just needed ironed out but someone really should have taken the story back to the drawing board. the weird romance stuff for one, was just, kinda eeeeh.
Thats the problem with some of those Modern Sonic games. They had potential but Sonic Team didn't utilize that potential.

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A Black Mesa/Generations style remake of the Adventure games would be interesting to see, including the different gameplay styles.





You might be interested in this, it explains allot:
So you want Sonic Adventure with the boost?
 

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Wow, you mean remove the stuff that makes Sonic Unleashed good? How about you don't play Sonic Unleashed and stick to the classic games

You come across as such a snob. Its possible to respectfully disagree with an opinion you know?

Personally I think it makes the game tedious and doesn't add anything of value to the game. What value do you think it brings to the game?
 
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