Relationships are way more important, you probably won't even remember what you played the next day.


You do bring up an interesting point ace gunman. Therefor, the decision is up to the original author to decide. I personally think if love is true, losing everything else in the world but that person is worth it. Of course, it would be to only to some degree before ask, "Is this right?" Honestly, I think the change would actually be a positive change, but everyone has a different view on what a "good" relationship is.Ace Gunman said:Many of the responses in this topic infuriate me. Most of you have just blindly stated that the relationship is more important than a personal interest without asking the necessary questions. What if it is a terrible relationship? What if she makes unfair demands of him? What if he worked in a field directly relating to video games and it was his source of income?
Too many of you have not stopped to question where it ends. First she asks him to give up video games, then she may ask him to give up television and movies, then books, then she tells him he has to quit his job and work for her father, then she makes him give up his stamp collecting hobby. Etc etc. Where does it stop?
Do you all honestly believe that a relationship is worth more than everything a person is and that they should concede everything to be with someone else when they have made no such concessions of their own? That is not right.
Some people take, and they take and they take and give nothing in return. Give up your time to be with me, give up your interests to be with me, give up your home to be with me, give up your personal style to be with me, give up your career to be with me, give up your friends to be with me. If you give everything you are for a relationship there's nothing of yourself left.
You should never have to compromise who you are and who you want to be to with someone, because in that case you'll come to resent them and they really can't love you for who you are if they want every detail of yourself to change. That's not love, that's a project.
Some of you may think this is just about relationship time versus video game time. It's not. It's about someone giving you an ultimatum, making you give up something you care about with no intention of sacrificing for you. Right now it's video games, maybe next time it will be "I really hate your long time best friends of 15 years, if you don't stop hanging out with them I'll leave you".
Where does it end?


Wow, you always surprise me! You preceded me once again in what I wanted to say, the same words almost too XDAce Gunman said:Many of the responses in this topic infuriate me. Most of you have just blindly stated that the relationship is more important than a personal interest without asking the necessary questions. What if it is a terrible relationship? What if she makes unfair demands of him? What if he worked in a field directly relating to video games and it was his source of income?
Too many of you have not stopped to question where it ends. First she asks him to give up video games, then she may ask him to give up television and movies, then books, then she tells him he has to quit his job and work for her father, then she makes him give up his stamp collecting hobby. Etc etc. Where does it stop?
Do you all honestly believe that a relationship is worth more than everything a person is and that they should concede everything to be with someone else when they have made no such concessions of their own? That is not right.
Some people take, and they take and they take and give nothing in return. Give up your time to be with me, give up your interests to be with me, give up your home to be with me, give up your personal style to be with me, give up your career to be with me, give up your friends to be with me. If you give everything you are for a relationship there's nothing of yourself left.
You should never have to compromise who you are and who you want to be to with someone, because in that case you'll come to resent them and they really can't love you for who you are if they want every detail of yourself to change. That's not love, that's a project.
Some of you may think this is just about relationship time versus video game time. It's not. It's about someone giving you an ultimatum, making you give up something you care about with no intention of sacrificing for you. Right now it's video games, maybe next time it will be "I really hate your long time best friends of 15 years, if you don't stop hanging out with them I'll leave you".
Where does it end?



It's not about giving them more importance, it's the fact that one shouldn't just give up everything for a person or a relationship. It can be bad for both you and the relationship. If you value that relationship more than everything else, to the point where you give up everything and your most important hobbies too, it's unhealthy for the relationship itself and it may ruin it.kevenka said:Ideally, maybe you would find the person who fits your view in life, but in reality, it is a give take kind of thing. Seriously, putting games above your significant other or even on par is kind of stupid to me. (Posting this on a gaming website will probably give me some hate mails -.-'')

Morgawr said:It's not about giving them more importance, it's the fact that one shouldn't just give up everything for a person or a relationship. It can be bad for both you and the relationship. If you value that relationship more than everything else, to the point where you give up everything and your most important hobbies too, it's unhealthy for the relationship itself and it may ruin it.kevenka said:Ideally, maybe you would find the person who fits your view in life, but in reality, it is a give take kind of thing. Seriously, putting games above your significant other or even on par is kind of stupid to me. (Posting this on a gaming website will probably give me some hate mails -.-'')
Obviously I'm not saying you shouldn't care for the relationship and just game game game game game and game again, but think about how much time you'd be willing to give up for it and how much time your significant other gives up for you and see how it goes. If in the end you reckon the balance is unfair, then there's something wrong. However I do know that relationships are very important (I'm in one myself too), but hobbies are as well.

kevenka said:Morgawr said:It's not about giving them more importance, it's the fact that one shouldn't just give up everything for a person or a relationship. It can be bad for both you and the relationship. If you value that relationship more than everything else, to the point where you give up everything and your most important hobbies too, it's unhealthy for the relationship itself and it may ruin it.kevenka said:Ideally, maybe you would find the person who fits your view in life, but in reality, it is a give take kind of thing. Seriously, putting games above your significant other or even on par is kind of stupid to me. (Posting this on a gaming website will probably give me some hate mails -.-'')
Obviously I'm not saying you shouldn't care for the relationship and just game game game game game and game again, but think about how much time you'd be willing to give up for it and how much time your significant other gives up for you and see how it goes. If in the end you reckon the balance is unfair, then there's something wrong. However I do know that relationships are very important (I'm in one myself too), but hobbies are as well.
Here may be a better counter argument... suppose your girlfriend gave up everything for you? How would you feel about this person? Of course, there is a chance that you will end up breaking up, but the point is you tried everything in your power to keep the person you love in your life. That is what matters the most to me in life. That the person I will marry in the future commit so much to make things work.![]()
The best way to think about it is, what kind of person are you and how much do you value your significant others? Do you value her more than your life? If so, this should be a no brainer![]()


kevenka said:You continually try to avoid the possible reasons why it may be good. I mean, yeah, everyone needs space and it varies from person to person on how much time is spent with each other, but if love is true, you can spend years with the person you love and it would only feel like a minute. Also the statement, " I gave up everything for you, now it's your turn." is a weak argument. Honestly, they do expect you to return the love if you expect the relation to lsat, but they won't bluntly say it like that. They will treat you the way they like to be treated. If you do not like that type of relation style, you should just move on to a different type of person then =/

Actually that's not a superior counter argument, as my original post stipulates that just as you should never have to give up everything for someone, the same should be true of them. No one, be it you or your partner should be giving up their everything in order to be with someone. The same argument still applies, just flip it around so that you're the "taker" in the relationship.kevenka said:Here may be a better counter argument... suppose your girlfriend gave up everything for you? How would you feel about this person? Of course, there is a chance that you will end up breaking up, but the point is you tried everything in your power to keep the person you love in your life. That is what matters the most to me in life. That the person I will marry in the future commit so much to make things work.![]()
The best way to think about it is, what kind of person are you and how much do you value your significant others? Do you value her more than your life? If so, this should be a no brainer![]()

The question will stay the same...How much do you love this person? If they want you to give up something for their sake would you do it? 'nough said?Ace Gunman said:Actually that's not a superior counter argument, as my original post stipulates that just as you should never have to give up everything for someone, the same should be true of them. No one, be it you or your partner should be giving up their everything in order to be with someone. The same argument still applies, just flip it around so that you're the "taker" in the relationship.kevenka said:Here may be a better counter argument... suppose your girlfriend gave up everything for you? How would you feel about this person? Of course, there is a chance that you will end up breaking up, but the point is you tried everything in your power to keep the person you love in your life. That is what matters the most to me in life. That the person I will marry in the future commit so much to make things work.![]()
The best way to think about it is, what kind of person are you and how much do you value your significant others? Do you value her more than your life? If so, this should be a no brainer![]()
It's as Morgawr stated, it's unhealthy to put all of yourself into one relationship. A strong relationship is one where you can be yourself with your partner and without. You shouldn't need someone else to complete you, but you also should feel something more when you're with that person.
If you spend all of your time and energy one your partner, it will end poorly. That's the definition of "clingy". I've had potential relationships go bad simply because my outside interests weren't diverse enough. If you're not a complete person with your own life, you really have nothing to offer someone else. You'd simply exist to feed into them, and most relationships will go awry in that scenario.
If you have no outside interests, what will you talk about that endears you to your mate? If you give up all of your interests and embrace theirs without genuine interest in said subject, you're lying to yourself and your partner and it will eventually turn sour. Neither person in a relationship should give up everything, because then neither of you are anything.
In addition just for a moment lets say the author's favorite thing in the world is gaming. How would you feel if someone forced you to give your favorite thing up? 10 years down the line that will come back and haunt the relationship. It's not healthy to put all of yourself into anything, be it gaming or a relationship.
Which is where the give and take comes from. The equilibrium. It's not an unfair personal demand to want time to yourself and your hobby. Nor is it an unfair demand for your partner to want to spend time with you. It is however an unfair demand to say you can do either or, but not both.
EDIT: Again though, it's not about the video games. And I'm not stating video games are more important than personal relationships. One needs balance in their life, in all things. Replace video games with whatever you like in the above examples and it still holds true.


I've numbered your comments to simplify the replying process.FAST6191 said:On the flip side rather than have a quasi-metaphysical debate I will inject some thoughts/make counterpoints.
1) "A strong relationship is one where you can be yourself with your partner and without"
While I would not go so far as to accuse such a statement as being constructed from weasel words there is a definite element of weak wording, my point then is what is the reason for the relationship under such conditions. Such a statement is harsh considering that I think you were aiming for the following meaning:
A good relationship is one where you do not rely on the other person(s) but have them around to make life easier/more enjoyable.
Relating back to the 20-something debate (apologies for assuming) do you really want commitment at this point in time? If yes then why? In colloquial terms this would be "considered playing the field my friend? (bars/similar may be expensive but lacking kids tends and your already having mentioned you have money for games.....)".
Regardless of how possible it is many women aim to change their mate (kind of throws a wrench into the "true love idea" when I look at it), considered trying such a thing in reverse?
2) "-She could cheat on you, get AIDS, give the AIDS to you, and you could die. Theoretically."
Not responding to the point but you do not give AIDS; you transmit HIV (which can then turn into AIDS).
3) "well, I would think gaming is some kind of drug...lasts shortly and doesn't statisfy you for a long time"
Might I introduce you to some of my friends (a situation I am sure could be repeated for others hopefully meaning I dodged the no personal opinions in debate thing), "relationships" are quite often considered disposable pleasures. Also "short term" does not necessarily apply to drugs.
4) "the person you love"
Can there not be more than one?
5) "comparing a relationships with your desire to play games is just so ridiculous"
Why are personal relationships a more valid pursuit than gaming?
