Hacking Suggestion FAO Scene/TX/Devs - can we settle on an RCM chainload standard asap?

[hippy dave]

I'm just thinking, as people are designing their own dongles and internal modchips, and TX are releasing their dongle with the intention they've now stated of allowing custom payloads to be started, etc, it would be a really good time to set a standard for the format and filename of a payload that can be chainloaded from the SD card.

That way, a primary payload that you send via USB could be as straightforward as setting up the necessary stuff to load said chainloaded payload from SD and run it, or the primary payload could still be as complex as the menu-driven ones that are out already or TX's touchscreen interface, but still allow chainloading as an option either from the menu or by holding a button/combo on startup.

Yeah everyone's already thought about this stuff and it's going to happen, I'm not claiming to have clever new ideas, I'm just saying let's standardise it now, that way people who are building dongles and especially internal modchips have a useful future-proof strategy to work with. If I did decide to put a chip inside my Switch I wouldn't want to have to worry about reflashing it for future releases.

 

[Draxzelex]

I think we're all just waiting for the CFW to come out since everyone will be developing their stuff from it and not just from making specific payloads.

 

[Kubas_inko]

However amazing that sounds, you still need PC/dongle for every warmboot.

 

[hippy dave]

I think we're all just waiting for the CFW to come out since everyone will be developing their stuff from it and not just from making specific payloads.

Yeah but not everybody's waiting, people are making dongles and modchips and ipl variations with different features as we speak. And once the CFW does come out, there'll be a way to chainload it from the TX dongle or any other starting point, so why not decide on that way now?

However amazing that sounds, you still need PC/dongle for every warmboot.

Not if you build or buy an internal modchip.

 

[Kubas_inko]

Yeah but not everybody's waiting, people are making dongles and modchips and ipl variations with different features as we speak. And once the CFW does come out, there'll be a way to chainload it from the TX dongle or any other starting point, so why not decide on that way now?


Not if you build or buy an internal modchip.

I consider that a dongle, because it does the same thing as dongle.

 

[hippy dave]

I consider that a dongle.

I guess you have the right to make up your own non-standard word definitions, but don't expect people to take them seriously.
If you don't want a hardmod that's fair enough, but it achieves the goal of booting without having to connect your console to anything external.

 

[Kubas_inko]

I guess you have the right to make up your own non-standard word definitions, but don't expect people to take them seriously.
If you don't want a hardmod that's fair enough, but it achieves the goal of booting without having to connect your console to anything external.

It does the same as a dongle. You can remove it from the Switch and use it as a dongle. It is a dongle, you just put it inside the switch

 

[hippy dave]

It does the same as a dongle. You can remove it from the Switch and use it as a dongle. It is a dongle, you just put it inside the switch

Sure thing buddy. This is off-topic so I'm gonna leave it now.

 

[DollyWhipDoll]

There should never be a "standard" in the hacking community. That's called conformity. That's not what being open is about.[/QUOTE]

 

[CTCaer]

I'm just thinking, as people are designing their own dongles and internal modchips, and TX are releasing their dongle with the intention they've now stated of allowing custom payloads to be started, etc, it would be a really good time to set a standard for the format and filename of a payload that can be chainloaded from the SD card.

That way, a primary payload that you send via USB could be as straightforward as setting up the necessary stuff to load said chainloaded payload from SD and run it, or the primary payload could still be as complex as the menu-driven ones that are out already or TX's touchscreen interface, but still allow chainloading as an option either from the menu or by holding a button/combo on startup.

Yeah everyone's already thought about this stuff and it's going to happen, I'm not claiming to have clever new ideas, I'm just saying let's standardise it now, that way people who are building dongles and especially internal modchips have a useful future-proof strategy to work with. If I did decide to put a chip inside my Switch I wouldn't want to have to worry about reflashing it for future releases.

Actually, this is what Atmosphere does.
It loads a payload, which loads another bigger "payload" from sd card, which loads another payload (which is used for emunand support or just sysnand) and ofc it loads the main atmosphere binaries and Horizon OS.
Sounds familiar? Like TX? Guess what..

 

[hippy dave]

There should never be a "standard" in the hacking community. That's called conformity. That's not what being open is about.

I mean, that sounds like a cool thing to say, but in reality we have standards all the time because they're useful - see similar payloads on the 3DS for a start. Plugins for various things on various systems too.

Actually, this is what Atmosphere does.
It loads a payload, which loads another bigger "payload" from sd card, which loads another payload (which is used for emunand support or just sysnand) and ofc it loads the main atmosphere binaries and Horizon OS.
Sounds familiar? Like TX? Guess what..

Oh cool maybe that's already something to work from, thanks for the info.

 

[Deletedmember448668]

I'm just thinking, as people are designing their own dongles and internal modchips, and TX are releasing their dongle with the intention they've now stated of allowing custom payloads to be started, etc, it would be a really good time to set a standard for the format and filename of a payload that can be chainloaded from the SD card.

That way, a primary payload that you send via USB could be as straightforward as setting up the necessary stuff to load said chainloaded payload from SD and run it, or the primary payload could still be as complex as the menu-driven ones that are out already or TX's touchscreen interface, but still allow chainloading as an option either from the menu or by holding a button/combo on startup.

Yeah everyone's already thought about this stuff and it's going to happen, I'm not claiming to have clever new ideas, I'm just saying let's standardise it now, that way people who are building dongles and especially internal modchips have a useful future-proof strategy to work with. If I did decide to put a chip inside my Switch I wouldn't want to have to worry about reflashing it for future releases.

As much as I somewhat agree with your statement, I also think options are not a bad idea either. Either way is good imo.

 

[guily6669]

If anyone ever hack CronusMax device FW to send the payload, plz PM me .

 

[CTCaer]

... Plugins for various things on various systems too.

A standardized plugin system sounds good though.

 

[hippy dave]

A standardized plugin system sounds good though.

Yeah I think that was my point

 

[realjumy]

I'm just thinking, as people are designing their own dongles and internal modchips, and TX are releasing their dongle with the intention they've now stated of allowing custom payloads to be started, etc, it would be a really good time to set a standard for the format and filename of a payload that can be chainloaded from the SD card.

That way, a primary payload that you send via USB could be as straightforward as setting up the necessary stuff to load said chainloaded payload from SD and run it, or the primary payload could still be as complex as the menu-driven ones that are out already or TX's touchscreen interface, but still allow chainloading as an option either from the menu or by holding a button/combo on startup.

Yeah everyone's already thought about this stuff and it's going to happen, I'm not claiming to have clever new ideas, I'm just saying let's standardise it now, that way people who are building dongles and especially internal modchips have a useful future-proof strategy to work with. If I did decide to put a chip inside my Switch I wouldn't want to have to worry about reflashing it for future releases.

https://gbatemp.net/threads/going-standard.504781/