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    If you ever wanted a starting point to understand ... everything ?! about politics, currently, this one hour interview is just - ten times extraordinary.


    Yes its Chomsky again, but this time he goes broad. Recorded three weeks ago.

    For people that dont know him - put a 50% filter in at *despair stories* (he is old, mind you.. ;) ).

    For people that cant get enough despair stories, watch the spoiler section. ;)


    On that video remember that Rising is the "agent provocateur" channel of modern polit TV ;)


    On that video remember, that Greenwald is a little of a doomsday voice on all things US politics
     
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    Another part of understanding the current political sphere is the notion that -

    All of the following is produced:

    This is labeled a documentary, but it is not.


    The idea is, to produce a notion that this is the new evolutional advantage. For intelligent young people. But it is not. By definition it is not. It all just starts to work, if energy is practically free and there are very low transactional costs. The idea is, that you still have your googles and apples taking 30% off the top of everything. And that you'll have less in the end but perceive it as more, because it has a sense of community attached.

    I'm writing this on the closing day of a one week conference of the liberal global elite trying to move people into that model. I've seen local politicians having no clue about any of the details, but selling the concept. I've seen people being funneled into being dumb but engaged networkers, who would profit most in that system (apart from the software architects), but currently arent much more than a-holes acting on a buzzword. (Think 'blockchain bros'.)) I've seen half a dozen actors on the EU level uttering with absolute certainty, that we need more data aggregation, more data analytics, but that all of this is dandy, because people would own their own data, and be payed for having it exploited. You can chose not to be payed, of course. Ive seen them argue for 'the first step' being to do this with industrial data, so it wont hit in the next ten years. I've seen actors faking 'revolutionary spirit' (they literally conjured up occupy in one session, at a meeting of the global international elite) just to get people invested in the renewable infrastructure investment game early, with private money - because companies, and banks arent (low ROI, they get higher returns if they invest in the BRIC part of the world). And state investments will only mitigate risks. Millenials solely remaining purpose is to inherit Boomer money, and to invest it poorly (from a short term perspective).

    The lies are outrageous. The manipulation is sickening. The lack of knowledge on the political level leaves me dumbfounded.

    And yet its the model thats propagated by the international liberal class - and almost every intellectual.

    Because we are faced with declining per capita GDP in 2/3s of the world. And global warming.
     
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    This is currently a figurehead for 'lets not have a structural revolt'.


    Curiously enough, without a seemingly prepped Q&A session, as in the highly produced video in the previous posting.

    You can also look up TED talks with him, if you are so inclined.
     
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    Here is the problem I have with putting Hanauer behind the concept of changing GDP as an economic indicator.

    If both Hanauer and a technocrat like Enrico Giovannini (https://gbatemp.net/threads/what-are-alternative-economic-indicators.572607/) can be seen promoting a change away from GDP, and they both do it 'in the interests of the masses', and both do it so we can have sustainable growth, but one of them clearly is not an empathic charismatic and in no way affiliated with an empathy movement -- I tend to see it as a reaction measure and less as an 'activist' tool.

    Oh, and btw. Stiglitz of course also has written papers on it. Its something thats trending currently within a certain circle.. ;)
     
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    Alphabet part in this is interesting:


    Cameras and data collection are needed for Level5 automation on driving (individual people becoming the most 'chaotic' part of the traffic model), and data driven business models. See how all this layers into the goal of the Verge 'documentary'. :)

    And maybe this:
    https://gbatemp.net/threads/what-are-alternative-economic-indicators.572607/ ;)


    edit: Also, I have to contextualize the video posted above. (I've now seen more of it.) Its actually a little problematic. If you see a former RT host, now 'documentary filmmaker' say into camera 'we've looked at 100s of hours of film footage those people gave us, and its amazing stuff, really heroic', chances are, that you havent understood the 'documentary filmmaker' part. ;)

    Also her movie trailer - kind of 360 shot slowmo around women baring flags standing on a hill, going into a protest? What story are you telling here? ;)

    Also, if you mostly hang out with Oliver Stone, at least recognize, that he got exclusive filming and interviewing rights for his Putin documentary, and looked very 'greatful for it' on video... ;)

    Have to add that as context here.. ;)
     
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    The industrial revolution and it's consequences have been a disaster for the human race -
     
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    You fix it.

    But while you do that, dont effing hoodwink and guilttrip middleclass folks into investing in a renewable economy before presumed larger efficiency gains, causing their investments to be devalued.

    Also when you push states to set rules that include externalities, you do that pulling down industrial processes efficiency (at more than a 20% loss, roughly), because oil currently is still cheap (and in some sectors you currently dont have a valid replacement (transportation (en mass))), and have to implement a border tax regime again, because you major trading partners are still laughing into your face about 'save the climate stuff'. Causing major harm to your economy.

    Rebuttle then is, yes, but if you distribute it better and have higher income middleclasses trapped in a religious stupor, you can mitigate that, and get a 'first mover advantage" longterm. Issue. Speculative, and you bank on the religious stupor part.

    As an addon, 'circular economies' dont work in any way at all from a 'retain quality of life' perspective, and to make sense efficiency wise, probably forever.

    And then you come in with the stupid effing idea (sorry), to shift economic consumption over to 'virtual goods', because when you have pacified people in VR, all sit on the couch and click the skinner box button all day, issue zolved. Yay future.
    (Facebook has built nothing, ever, except stupid pretty addictive skinner boxes. Thanks, social studies majors hired by the company!)

    And then I have to listen to STUUUUUPID rectifications, from Mark Zuck the berg, where all this is so cool, because a flipping designer kid in brasil can come up with your next VR TV design, that you will buy for them real bux.

    And if that doesnt work out, we go 'second currency' on the entire population and gamify life - just the way we gamers know and looovve.

    Rant aside, structurally - you are still running into 30% cut of profit made by others 'we provide the virtual infrastructure' monopolies, that even today have no flipping reason to exist. Virtual goods economies, would scale to zero cost (as we open source users know first hand), and half of your flipping economies, would not only be virtual in a discriptive sense, but actually made up, resting only on marketing and (anti piracy/patent) laws that uphold artificial properties.

    I look at this and see people wanting to take the mick out of society, at scale - for as long as possible.

    This ONLY makes sense, if you are an affluent, multinational, liberal idiot, that could think about paying 30% more to keep their lifestyle largely the same, but feel better because of added virtue signaling benefits. And for that you had to alter society, to think that your behavior is 'high moral' and not just deranged.

    All that while the energy industry sits back and hedges their bets on investments, because technological progress could be reaped for free, every additional year you do nothing.


    Long term goals are clear and undistputed - but everything else, everything else....


    Additional issues: Drive as many people as possible into rural environments, where they will cultivate the ground as a CO2 sink, not drive, not take part in the political process, not matter, and slowly realize, that they've been had big time, roughly at the same rate as they come to the conclusion that everything got harder, and less fun, but now with a designed community, and designed purpose.

    Also religious stupor is designed to only last as long as you could press investment out of boomers and stupid millenials, because you're never going to touch the capitalist model, really, which is fully expected to take over again after the 'renewable' transition. So what the eff? What type of social betterment should I celebrate here?

    (If I'd be a power elite, I'd be stuck in a constant laughing fit, designing this.)

    Storytelling on this will be so fun...
     
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    More Chomsky - debating with young students. Too astonishing not to share, imho. :)


    edit:
    Currrent Peter Zeihan is still quite good on that front as well -

    thats:


    and
     
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    You want to go back to how we lived pre-1800?
     
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    Yeah sure why not
     
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    1. No antibiotics.
    2. No refrigeration.
    3. No running water in homes, go to the well.
    4. No sanitation, no flush toilets.
    5. No reasonably safe surgery. (see #1)
    6. No electric light.
    7. Best/fastest travel is by horse.
    8. Slavery, serfdom, indentured servitude
    9. Dentistry = extraction by pliers. No painkillers. Infection likely. (see #1)
    10. No TV or internet. Read a book. If you're rich, that is. Chances are you're illiterate though, no education.


    That's just a small list of why. Out of all of human history, we are exceedingly fortunate that our lives are in the here and now, and not the pre-1900 past.
     
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    I'm cool with those things
     
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    But that would mean no more bugsnax

    — Posts automatically merged - Please don't double post! —

    Ted? Is that you?
     
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    Videos bad...
     
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    Better stuff you post then. :)
     
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    Want to see McKinsey talk about integrating the disenfranchised, so they dont revolt?

    ;)



    Talks start at roughly 13 min in.
     
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