Hacking Question Does using the DevMenu really ban you instantly?

[FAST6191]

if it isn't now, it will never be.

Right now I have not seen a proper analysis of the menu and other relevant functions, be if full bore "we know what every instruction goes with" or just a fairly complete "if they have hidden it then they have done a spectacular job" type analysis with decompilers and function mapping. It is all very doable but at the same time it is very tedious to do and most hackers probably have better things to do like continue to figure out all the functions the system has for things that actually benefit people (think cheats, game mods, homebrew with full hardware access, homebrew that can use all the nice software functions that Nintendo provide in their system, expanding the system beyond what people expected -- it was homebrew that first got SDHC working on the Wii and so on and so on).

Until we see something like that then everything is up in the air. People can try comparing their bans with what they have done in their hacking, and possibly figure out things that might be a bit blatant, and that might all yield something but if Nintendo are playing at anything resembling the level we think they are playing at I don't expect much of any great value to come from such a thing, and if anything does then it is going to be a list of things to not do where a proper hack following the analysis will allow you to do almost anything you like.

With said proper analysis we can figure out useful mitigation strategies for mod detection and allow modded systems to go online. It is not going to happen without that analysis.

To that end most of what you have said thus far in this thread is complete and utter drivel. I only hope people don't take what you have said as any kind of serious advice and that you reconsider your actions.

 

[jdubs31]

On the Ban Hub spreadsheet I noticed a good amount of people that reported using DevMenu and are not banned. Is it really an instant ban or does it only ban after installing an .NSP and connecting to the internet?

"installing an .NSP and connecting to the internet?"....But why!?!?!?

 

[CoolerSugar955]

Can I ask if you have funds on your eshop account? I haven't been banned yet and I suspect having a couple of bucks on my account might be the reason.

I do not currently have any funds on my account, I am pretty sure that I have redeemed the "Nintendo Tokens" or whatever they are called. I also have purchased games in the past on my switch

 

[Draxzelex]

@Draxzelex could you add this to your Nintendo Switch Ban Form? Do you know reports of people who had funds on their eshop account or had previously bought something and got banned? If the reports of unbanned people have funds on their eshop account we might start to see a pattern.

Ooh, I feel so special when people when people tag me like this!

Anyways, while I don't know much about those who were banned, there are a lot of non-banned users who are actively buying and downloading stuff off the eShop without a care in sight as well as playing games online. Call it the Frequent-Buyer Theory. Basically, the less conspicuous they act and the more they suck up to Nintendo by buying their stuff, the less of a chance they have at getting banned. Would explain why some people were banned for staying offline until the very moment they got banned while the more fortunate have been flaunting their hacked console in front of Nintendo and haven't been banned yet. If more people want to know if being banned can relate to purchases made, I'll add it as a question (people can also feel free to say they bought stuff under Additional Comments).

 

[slicer2k]

I've got mine about 1 month now, purchased it used in fw 5.1.0. I have used it for 2 days legally with a new account not a single dimme spent. Started getting demos and a lot of errors trying to use LFS. Went online to d/l captain toad in the third day and tried to open fortnite by mistake online as a donor. Hours later I was banned. Error sending was off.

 

[FAST6191]

Ooh, I feel so special when people when people tag me like this!

Anyways, while I don't know much about those who were banned, there are a lot of non-banned users who are actively buying and downloading stuff off the eShop without a care in sight as well as playing games online. Call it the Frequent-Buyer Theory. Basically, the less conspicuous they act and the more they suck up to Nintendo by buying their stuff, the less of a chance they have at getting banned. Would explain why some people were banned for staying offline until the very moment they got banned while the more fortunate have been flaunting their hacked console in front of Nintendo and haven't been banned yet. If more people want to know if being banned can relate to purchases made, I'll add it as a question (people can also feel free to say they bought stuff under Additional Comments).

I would go with the "keeping honest people honest" principle of security.

Most people are fundamentally honest but give them half a chance and they will do some low level stuff. To that end you make them have to put some actual... I can't say effort but activity into -- most locks in offices I have been in could be picked by a 7 year old with a bent hairpin and 20 minutes training, does remarkably well at stopping working age people from making off with your cups and stationary (or if we are sticking with games then the people/parents that might have followed a guide on a forum and purchased a £20 flash cart or jig, or seemingly at least the vocal set that cares about online).
At the same time it does not deter the more hardcore (or in my case you are not going to allow me to play the online I was not going to play because I have to pay for it, and deal with online people to boot) but you have other means for that.