Hacking DIOS MIOS (not DML) is back?

[WiiUBricker]

I didn't say he was All about money, but how would that be legal anyway?

I was just kidding bro. Commercial GPL is very common.

 

[JoostinOnline]

I didn't say he was All about money, but how would that be legal anyway?

I was just kidding bro. Commercial GPL is very common.

It's hard to tell on a forum, plus I have heard so many stupid arguments. I was pretty shocked to hear you say that. Glad you were joking, lol.

I have no problem with people asking for donations, I just don't like it when you disguise charging someone as a mandatory donation. As for commercial GPL being common, are there more examples on Wii projects? This is the first I've seen of it, besides Mail Box Bomb (or w/e it was called).

 

[WiiUBricker]

As for commercial GPL being common, are there more examples on Wii projects? This is the first I've seen of it, besides Mail Box Bomb (or w/e it was called).

I am not aware of any Wii project that is distributed commercially. You can find a lot of commercially distributed GPL apps in the web development business.

 

[tueidj]

He can try.

FWIW I ripped all my own games for DML, so I don't care about piracy. But the challenge of getting it working with Dolphin and then figuring out how the games are encrypted sounds exciting.

You're joking right? It only takes a single instruction to break dolphin, which I have unintentionally done in the past (it was never fixed because the devs considered it too difficult). I helped them fix a couple of things during last month, imagine how many more issues I know of that can potentially be abused...
If you're really that excited go figure out why Desert Bus doesn't run under dolphin. See how long that takes you and multiply it by about 200.

You've been touting for attention for months, why would you do that if you don't care?

"Touting"? I don't use twitter, I don't have a website/project page, the announcement thread was locked, there is no IRC channel... If you've seen news about it it's either from other people or because you're specifically looking for it.
Also be aware Dios Mios first announced it was going to provide GC USB loading way back around the middle of 2010 (and was going to include "anti-piracy" - funny how no-one remembers that now) and it still hasn't delivered the goods. Since you insist that they're competing, a couple of months doesn't seem much by comparison. If I wanted attention I could have just released it straight away waninkoko-style and it would be full of bugs but that never stopped the warez kiddies kissing his ass, did it?

My favourite bit is where you demand copies of games if people want them fixed.

"I don't plan to ask for any donations, although at some point if there's a particular game that someone wants fixed I might have to insist they provide it or at least the means for me to get it; I'm not going to fork out for a copy of MGS from my own pocket, for example."
Thats a very high horse you're sitting on.

I've bought over 50 games so far during development of Devolution, with no single game costing more than $15. Most likely I will continue buying more as problems are reported with them. I haven't asked for those costs to be covered and I don't expect them to be. But if there's an issue with a game that I can't find for cheap (for example MGS is typically on ebay for > $100; Four swords is > $80; Fire emblem > $80), I don't see why I should be expected to spend substantial money out of my own pocket just to make it work.

 

[sonictopfan]

If he were all about money he could as well have set up a site and sell subscriptions for his apps. 50€ per year (plus 19%VAT for european customers) for access to all of his apps including forum and ticket support.

I could be wrong but didn't the guy who made no$gba set a paypal account for "donations" in order to get the latest version 2.6a before he went off and never showed up again?

@crediar good work on DML, can't wait for Dios Mios USB to come out, also are there any plans for triforce support in the future?

 

[WiiUBricker]

If he were all about money he could as well have set up a site and sell subscriptions for his apps. 50€ per year (plus 19%VAT for european customers) for access to all of his apps including forum and ticket support.

I could be wrong but didn't the guy who made no$gba set a paypal account for "donations" in order to get the latest version 2.6a before he went off and never showed up again?

His app was not covered by the GPL and was massively pirated, especially the debug version. Also an emulator is way more complex than a native game loader. He spent years in developing his stuff. He came back recently with a new emulator: http://nocash.emubase.de/sns.htm

 

[ploggy]

never mind

 

[smf]

You're joking right? It only takes a single instruction to break dolphin, which I have unintentionally done in the past (it was never fixed because the devs considered it too difficult). I helped them fix a couple of things during last month, imagine how many more issues I know of that can potentially be abused...

No, I actually do this type of thing for fun. After you've emulated cpu pipelines so you can run buggy game code then nothing seems scary.

 

[WiiUBricker]

Perhaps we can conclude these DV discussions in the DM thread by saying that absolutely nothing is unhackable, not even homebrew apps developed by hobby programmers

 

[SifJar]

No, I actually do this type of thing for fun. After you've emulated cpu pipelines so you can run buggy game code then nothing seems scary.

Then go ahead and get Desert Bus running in Dolphin. I'd be interested to see if you could, seeing as I am assuming this is the software containing the instruction the Dolphin devs considered "too difficult" to fix. Seeing as you do this "for fun" it shouldn't matter that such a task is pointless.

 

[Shano56]

I've bought over 50 games so far during development of Devolution, with no single game costing more than $15. Most likely I will continue buying more as problems are reported with them. I haven't asked for those costs to be covered and I don't expect them to be. But if there's an issue with a game that I can't find for cheap (for example MGS is typically on ebay for > $100; Four swords is > $80; Fire emblem > $80), I don't see why I should be expected to spend substantial money out of my own pocket just to make it work.

Sounds fair to me. better than demanding donations before a release.Can't really expect tueidj to buy a game just to get it working for you, especially when he gets nothing out of it.

 

[sonictopfan]

remember when this was Dios Mios topic? XD

 

[skid]

Then go ahead and get Desert Bus running in Dolphin. I'd be interested to see if you could, seeing as I am assuming this is the software containing the instruction the Dolphin devs considered "too difficult" to fix. Seeing as you do this "for fun" it shouldn't matter that such a task is pointless.

Desert Bus switches the CPU to a low power state and measures the amount of time it takes to execute a certain set of instructions. If that number is not within the ballpark of the real hardware, it shows you the "bad boy" screen. As Dolphin's timing is approximate to the real thing in a number of places, it is "too difficult" to fix properly. We have been able to get the game working by cracking the game, but that hardly counts.

Dolphin is built to emulate the minimum amount needed to get games working, keeping the framerate up. It would take me two minutes to write a program that works on the real hardware but breaks in Dolphin.

In any case, there is no USB support in Dolphin, so getting Devolution working in Dolphin is going to be tough from the start. Patches gladly accepted.

 

[W hat]

I've bought over 50 games so far during development of Devolution, with no single game costing more than $15. Most likely I will continue buying more as problems are reported with them. I haven't asked for those costs to be covered and I don't expect them to be. But if there's an issue with a game that I can't find for cheap (for example MGS is typically on ebay for > $100; Four swords is > $80; Fire emblem > $80), I don't see why I should be expected to spend substantial money out of my own pocket just to make it work.

You're an American testing (mostly?) on NTSC-U discs, right? Forgive me if that's incorrect, but the use of dollars and your country flag make it seem that way.

Those games (USA) aren't going for those prices right now. Maybe they did in the past (Christmas time at the height of the Wii's popularity?) but it definitely isn't that expensive now.

 

[smf]

Desert Bus switches the CPU to a low power state and measures the amount of time it takes to execute a certain set of instructions. If that number is not within the ballpark of the real hardware, it shows you the "bad boy" screen. As Dolphin's timing is approximate to the real thing in a number of places, it is "too difficult" to fix properly. We have been able to get the game working by cracking the game, but that hardly counts.

Dolphin is built to emulate the minimum amount needed to get games working, keeping the framerate up. It would take me two minutes to write a program that works on the real hardware but breaks in Dolphin.

In any case, there is no USB support in Dolphin, so getting Devolution working in Dolphin is going to be tough from the start. Patches gladly accepted.

Using dolphin to dump the secret code from devolution only needs to be done once, so it doesn't need to be fast or pretty. The resulting emulator code isn't necessarily something that you'd want.

It would probably end up as a frankensteins monster of dolphin + broadoff + detecting bits of code and giving pre canned responses from real hardware.

It sounds like running desert bus without hacks isn't particularly hard, just that dolphin would run slower as a result.

 

[tueidj]

Damn, skid spoiled the fun. Guess I'll go back to storing encrypted code blobs as textures and using the various GX blend modes to decrypt them...

 

[sonictopfan]

Still no news about this? I'm starting to worry Crediar will pull on us another Triforce move

 

[ShinyLatios]

Cool, but once again guys, this is DIOS MIOS not Devolution. stop derailing and either discuss DIOS MIOS here or don't discuss anything @_@

geez. I really think something should be done about this.

 

[tueidj]

I think someone missed the point that skid is a dolphin dev... and I told them how it works after shuffle2 got 80% of the way...

Spoiler

Nov 15 17:01:22 am i ... close?
Nov 15 17:01:43 yes, it's pretty obvious there
Nov 15 17:02:21 even if i bypass this it just goes to blackscreen in dolphin tho, bummer
Nov 15 17:03:24 gettick -> set cpu to doze -> gettick again -> if dozed for

 

[raulpica]

I've removed most of the latest off-topic posts. I've kept the technical post, as they are interesting nonetheless.

Anyway, I'd love to ask tueidj to keep the Devolution talk to a minimum in this thread, to avoid massive derailment.

Thanks.

@[member='WiiBricker']
I'm on it

EDIT: If someone might wonder, I've kept tueidj's posts about buying the game, as it's relevant with DML's development and the entire donation/asking-game thingy crediar does. A bit of comparison hasn't ever hurt. Enough off-topic other than that, though.