DeepSeek AI for coding with LibNX

[ikynx]

Only thing I gotten ChatGPT to censor me about have been if I ask directly for copyright infringing material. And sometimes when it misunderstands me.

oh the fucking irony. All AI was trained by mass copyright theft of available reference resources. News is talking about Meta now , OpenAI is no better.

 

[NinStar]

oh the fucking irony. All AI was trained by mass copyright theft of available reference resources. News is talking about Meta now , OpenAI is no better.

The only thing that really bothers me about Facebook pirating tens of terabytes of books is that they went out of their way to not seed it to other peers.

 

[littlesmurf]

oh the fucking irony. All AI was trained by mass copyright theft of available reference resources. News is talking about Meta now , OpenAI is no better.

I thought it was funny when loads and loads of people were claiming the AI stole all their data. OpenAi, chatgpt etc, were all scraping websites and getting any information they could find and ignored the copyright claims. Then they have the audacity to say that DeepSeek stole their secrets (without a shred of evidence), you couldn't make that up.

 

[ChronoCrossfangirl2002]

I've managed to create complex programs using only AI. Even right now i'm using it to write an automation program. As long as you give it documentation and some context it does the job well. People who think AI is completely useless simply have no clue how to use it and prompt correctly.

if you have to give it proper documentation & context why not just do it yourself at that point? I understand on the surface this is a stupid question but if you have everything it needs to know for writing an automation program I fail to see the point of having the AI write it for you other than "you just don't feel like doing it yourself" AI being useful is a very conflicting ideology, solely because a human can do the same thing it can if not better with enough patience and perseverance to learn, hence why alot of people believe AI to be used as something to get something done that one does not feel like doing.

I apologize if this came of as rude or confrontational, but I overall just wish to understand the point, because maybe there is genuinely something I'm missing and I'm completely wrong with my view of this.

 

[JaRocker]

Throughout history, everything was done manually at one point. Then, a tool or technique came along to automate the process, and the people at that time often considered those who adopted it to be lazy. I don’t see how this is any different.

Whenever new technology emerges, it always has growing pains until people learn how to use it or it becomes more efficient. Not many people use manual screwdrivers anymore. There were manual drills at one point—I still have one of those. When building a house, nothing is stopping you from using a hammer, but people still choose electric ones.

There are countless tasks that can be done manually, yet people still opt for automation. Many run Home Assistant in their homes to automate the things they don’t want to do.

I could go on, but I really don’t see the problem with people having options not every option is made for everyone That doesn’t mean that the option should not be there. If I misunderstanding what you’re saying, please elaborate

 

[littlesmurf]

Throughout history, everything was done manually at one point. Then, a tool or technique came along to automate the process, and the people at that time often considered those who adopted it to be lazy. I don’t see how this is any different.

Whenever new technology emerges, it always has growing pains until people learn how to use it or it becomes more efficient. Not many people use manual screwdrivers anymore. There were manual drills at one point—I still have one of those. When building a house, nothing is stopping you from using a hammer, but people still choose electric ones.

There are countless tasks that can be done manually, yet people still opt for automation. Many run Home Assistant in their homes to automate the things they don’t want to do.

I could go on, but I really don’t see the problem with people having options not every option is made for everyone That doesn’t mean that the option should not be there. If I misunderstanding what you’re saying, please elaborate

Great post buddy, my thoughts exactly. I could spend hours looking through code for a typo or something I missed. Now I can just upload a relevant section of code to chatgpt, tell it what it's supposed to do and what's wrong, post some logs for debugging and it usually fixes the fault in seconds. I've written an entire ftp server software for the switch in the last few days with zero knowledge about ftp protocols, now I know how they work - what commands to send, what commands exprected to receive etc. I didn't need to spend hours reading, I didn't need to ask anyone and deal with the crap condesending stuff some people post, I now have a working app which would have taken me weeks or longer to write. AI is a game changer for me, especially if I just want to write a simple app quickly, or solve some problem I wouldn't have thought about doing myself. I love using AI. It's the best tool available for coding, instead of getting ads and crap links from google, my problems are getting solved instantly. As I learn to use this tool I am discovering easier and easier ways to get the results I want.

I don't aim to preach to the converted. Some people are stuck in their ways - they can do their own thing the way they want to do it. But I am just happy that these tools are now available for free to people like me.

 

[lwiz]

Great post buddy, my thoughts exactly. I could spend hours looking through code for a typo or something I missed. Now I can just upload a relevant section of code to chatgpt, tell it what it's supposed to do ...

Hope you found and inserted the original copyrights for the code lifted by artificial idiocy. It's just a glorified copypaste which doesn't write or understand code by itself.

 

[littlesmurf]

Hope you found and inserted the original copyrights for the code lifted by artificial idiocy. It's just a glorified copypaste which doesn't write or understand code by itself.

You don't know how to use it, if you upload a block of code or your own program and ask it to make changes, it goes down your code line by line and edits it accordingly. It also shows you it's thought process as it's doing it, Both ChatGPT and DeepSeek do this. Even reading your reply I can tell you've not used it and have no idea what you're talking about.

 

[rsc-pl]

ChatGPT kind of give me the same things. Not sure why to use a censored AI over ChatGPT

As if GPT wasn't censored It's way more censored than deepseek.

 

[JaRocker]

If you have the time, you should create a new account, start a project, and see how much help you actually get when asking for assistance. No one is entitled to anyone’s time, help, or assistance, but getting upset because someone got help elsewhere is completely ridiculous.

These are the same people who, if something is wrong with their car, would go to a mechanic to fix it. Would the mechanic tell them to pop the hood, read the manual, research everything about their specific car, and buy the tools to run a diagnostic? That would make sense to them, right? Instead of just having the mechanic fix the issue, pay them, and leave.

I don’t understand how people think telling someone to “go read the manual” is actual help. The person isn’t trying to learn an entire field—they’re just trying to complete a task.

It’s not like I don’t understand where they’re coming from, but they need to realize that people aren’t going to carry their cross—others don’t share the same passion they do. People have different objectives.

I remember my first job at an IT company. I was really excited—I loved hardware, taking things apart, and figuring out how they worked. When I met the people who had been there before me, I thought, Yes! Finally, I can learn from someone who has been in the field for a long time.

After a few weeks, I realized no one actually cared about that job. They just knew how to complete the tasks they had to do, and that was it—they were just there to collect a paycheck. Should I have gotten mad that they weren’t as passionate about their job as I was? No. People need to pay their bills.

 

[NinStar]

Hope you found and inserted the original copyrights for the code lifted by artificial idiocy. It's just a glorified copypaste which doesn't write or understand code by itself.

I mean, you could argue the exact same thing about humans studying open source code and rewriting something in their own style, the only difference is that AI is much more efficient at doing this type of stuff. There is no consensus about the copyright aspect of it when it comes to using FOSS code as training data as far as I know.

 

[Naminave]

I once tried asking an AI what was wrong with my code after deliberately removing a single bracket on line four. It gave me several tips on making my code more human-readable, and then randomly restructured the code a bit.

But after a little more prompting, including straight up telling it I thought there was a missing bracket, it told me to delete the main function of the code which would have made it entirely non-functional and impossible to debug.*

I think this demonstrates why "AI" is not going to revolutionise coding. My IDE identified the problem in about 0.001 milliseconds. It did this by an advanced method known as "counting the brackets".

These AIs do not follow logical methods like this - they stir the word soup of their training data until it looks right. And my code was only one character off, it already LOOKED 99.9% good. So it flailed around for a bit, pointlessly shifting stuff around, mixing my code with training data code structure to produce something that now looked about 98℅ good without actually addressing any problems.

But more simply, an alarm went off in my head the moment it told me to make my code more human readable. The Artificial Intelligence Machine telling me to make it more human readable. Because that's what most of its training data was - people asking questions to other people, and the common response of how to make it easier and cleaner to interpret. For people. Why would the Artificial Intelligence care about human-readability? It's all just word soup.

AI's main innovation is in how easily the prompts can be put together, literally just natural language. But it fails at anything more complicated than generating simple boilerplate template code, something that could be done much more efficiently with an actual specific solution - like, a list of known templates maybe with some configuration options. But that's not as appealing to the stock market as The Magic Tool that can Do Anything. God help us all when someone tries to use it to do something important.

"Just use [other model]", "it's only early stages" - no amount of resources pumped into different variants of this autocorrect engine are ever going to teach it how to think. It'll just get faster and maybe make things that look slightly more right. It still won't be able to count brackets, not without the growing industry of "humans at AI companies who manually graft on non-AI solutions to cover up the holes".

*and this wasn't even where the missing bracket was, like, it deleted 95℅ of the code and the bracket count was STILL off by one!

it doesn't have build access. So it can't see what the IDE is telling it and its only source is the error you gave it from the IDE. If you started troubleshooting, the AI didn't focus on the real problem, but on the global problem, finding another code that does the same job. As far as I'm concerned, Deepseek has better knowledge of the Switch sdk and Homebrew than ChatGPT, it doesn't change your code all the time like ChatGPT does unless you suggest it, it always keeps and remembers what was working most of the time. I haven't tried Github Copilot yet, I used it to create a C# version of a Networking done in Rust and I've only managed to get 25% working, but maybe I'm not ready for the rest of the code and I'll have to go with DeepSeek when I finish updating another type of Networking (socket only) to a new library (Mirror+Transport).

Post automatically merged: Feb 13, 2025

Throughout history, everything was done manually at one point. Then, a tool or technique came along to automate the process, and the people at that time often considered those who adopted it to be lazy. I don’t see how this is any different.

Whenever new technology emerges, it always has growing pains until people learn how to use it or it becomes more efficient. Not many people use manual screwdrivers anymore. There were manual drills at one point—I still have one of those. When building a house, nothing is stopping you from using a hammer, but people still choose electric ones.

There are countless tasks that can be done manually, yet people still opt for automation. Many run Home Assistant in their homes to automate the things they don’t want to do.

I could go on, but I really don’t see the problem with people having options not every option is made for everyone That doesn’t mean that the option should not be there. If I misunderstanding what you’re saying, please elaborate

I also add something:
just like people use alarm clocks, you can use AI to remind you what to do, but in more complex aspects of life (just look, an idea to create a smart alarm clock)

I'm not a biologist or know much about psychology, so I don't know if knowledge and experience comes from long-term or short-term memory or consciousness. Humans can get sick and suffer from common cognitive problems such as memory loss or tasks that no longer generate "excitement", AI can help you not to "overthink" and you can train it to be your pet and remind you of things more easily. (or just look, an idea for a smart Notepad, how wonderful)

We often dream of fulfilling that desire of "what would have happened if I had learned this and that" to be able to do superhuman things, beyond what you exercised your head. Will I find success in some other area in my field? Try it with AI (just look, a theoretical learning assistant to adapt to a new life and work)

AI is not expensive, it does not put limits on you, it has no other obligations, it does not get annoyed or frustrated by asking too many questions, it does not degenerate, rather it improves if you talk to it, and it improves even more if you learn to train it.

 

[TheStonedModder]

it doesn't have build access. So it can't see what the IDE is telling it and its only source is the error you gave it from the IDE. If you started troubleshooting, the AI didn't focus on the real problem, but on the global problem, finding another code that does the same job. As far as I'm concerned, Deepseek has better knowledge of the Switch sdk and Homebrew than ChatGPT, it doesn't change your code all the time like ChatGPT does unless you suggest it, it always keeps and remembers what was working most of the time. I haven't tried Github Copilot yet, I used it to create a C# version of a Networking done in Rust and I've only managed to get 25% working, but maybe I'm not ready for the rest of the code and I'll have to go with DeepSeek when I finish updating another type of Networking (socket only) to a new library (Mirror+Transport).

Post automatically merged: Feb 13, 2025

I also add something:
just like people use alarm clocks, you can use AI to remind you what to do, but in more complex aspects of life (just look, an idea to create a smart alarm clock)

I'm not a biologist or know much about psychology, so I don't know if knowledge and experience comes from long-term or short-term memory or consciousness. Humans can get sick and suffer from common cognitive problems such as memory loss or tasks that no longer generate "excitement", AI can help you not to "overthink" and you can train it to be your pet and remind you of things more easily. (or just look, an idea for a smart Notepad, how wonderful)

We often dream of fulfilling that desire of "what would have happened if I had learned this and that" to be able to do superhuman things, beyond what you exercised your head. Will I find success in some other area in my field? Try it with AI (just look, a theoretical learning assistant to adapt to a new life and work)

AI is not expensive, it does not put limits on you, it has no other obligations, it does not get annoyed or frustrated by asking too many questions, it does not degenerate, rather it improves if you talk to it, and it improves even more if you learn to train it.

If you use cursor, you can give it full build access and have it see and understand your code (and documentation) especially with a .rules file

https://www.cursor.com/

 

[Sir Tortoise]

it doesn't have build access. So it can't see what the IDE is telling it and its only source is the error you gave it from the IDE.

The AI had the full code, what special information does the IDE have that the AI doesn't? Unless you mean that the IDE can actually run through it and see what happens, which, is kind of my point.

 

[MrQQ]

I know how to code, but not everyone knows everything, when AI writes the code it explains how the code works, how to go about solving a problem and shows you the code to write. This can save hours of time and makes life far easier to learn something you never knew. Instead of scouring the internet for hours looking for some example code for something you don't know it's a simple task to write a prompt to AI and have it explain and reply instantly. AI is a great tool to have in your toolbox and it's only going to get better from now on and be more widely adopted. I advise many to get on board with it especially coders should learn to use it as they will inevitably need to use in their jobs from this point forward. Not just coders but graphics artists and music artists should get on board as well to unleash your creativity.

yeah no you dont otherwise you wouldnt have asked it to fix the code for you.

 

[littlesmurf]

yeah no you dont otherwise you wouldnt have asked it to fix the code for you.

It's a bit off topic but I use deepseek and chatgpt for more than coding.

AI is an excellent tool for recipes. I've been making a whole bunch of stuff. Today I made fudge with almond extract and white chocolate chips for my wife and kids and just baked some rolls 50% wholemeal and 50% white flour. I've been using the AI and telling it what stuff I have to cook with and letting it make me a recipe out of that. It's a great tool to have for those that don't have cook books. I don't do much cooking really, but this AI makes it a breeze for a noob like me to make some good food.
The other day I made some nice pizza base and sauce, it was the best pizza I ever ate in my life. I'l never buy a pizza from a shop again.

 

[MrQQ]

It's a bit off topic but I use deepseek and chatgpt for more than coding.

AI is an excellent tool for recipes. I've been making a whole bunch of stuff. Today I made fudge with almond extract and white chocolate chips for my wife and kids and just baked some rolls 50% wholemeal and 50% white flour. I've been using the AI and telling it what stuff I have to cook with and letting it make me a recipe out of that. It's a great tool to have for those that don't have cook books. I don't do much cooking really, but this AI makes it a breeze for a noob like me to make some good food.
The other day I made some nice pizza base and sauce, it was the best pizza I ever ate in my life. I'l never buy a pizza from a shop again.

You are one of those " I uzed AI so now I know how to codez" let me be clear....you don't. I suppose now its told you how to cook you are a master chef?? What are you a noob at life and incapable of learning? How have you survived this long??

 

[NinStar]

You are one of those " I uzed AI so now I know how to codez" let me be clear....you don't. I suppose now its told you how to cook you are a master chef?? What are you a noob at life and incapable of learning? How have you survived this long??

You are sounding just as hyperbolic as him, both logics are fundamentally flawed. AI giving instructions on how to do something does not mean "hur dur, you can't learn", by the same logic you could also say that going to school and being taught by teachers is just as useless. You could have easily criticized the fact that AI could potentially hallucinate and provide inaccurate information, which would be a much more relevant counter-argument.

I get why some people are upset about AI, and I even agree to some extent, but I always see people using dishonest arguments against it all the time.

 

[littlesmurf]

You are one of those " I uzed AI so now I know how to codez" let me be clear....you don't. I suppose now its told you how to cook you are a master chef?? What are you a noob at life and incapable of learning? How have you survived this long??

You sound angry, what's up has AI put you out of a job or something?

 

[JaRocker]

You sound angry, what's up has AI put you out of a job or something?

I don’t see how that would be possible. They say AI is useless and can’t be used for anything productive, so how could it ever replace a human being? That would be contradictory—but cognitive dissonance has never stopped anyone before.