Covid-19 vaccine

[tabzer]

All of the evidence suggests the vaccines are safe and effective.

Hahaha. No, you are wrong. All of the evidence? Think about the words that you use.

 

[Lacius]

Hahaha. No, you are wrong. All of the evidence? Think about the words that you use.

Please provide the evidence from a reputable source that shows the vaccines are not safe and effective. Thank you.

 

[Deleted User]

figured this can help with the conversation. it's a nice watch.

 

[tabzer]

Please provide the evidence from a reputable source that shows the vaccines are not safe and effective. Thank you.

Everytime you say something absurd like "all of the evidence shows it is safe," you should include a list of all the potential side effects like they do in the commercials.

 

[Lacius]

Everytime you say something absurd like "all of the evidence shows it is safe," you should include a list of all the potential side effects like they do in the commercials.

I've acknowledged the potential side effects, as does the CDC on the pages I've linked to numerous times. Despite the potential for side effects, the vaccines have repeatedly been demonstrated to be safe and effective.

If you aren't going to provide any evidence the vaccines are unsafe or ineffective, I'm not sure why you're here.

 

[tabzer]

I've acknowledged the potential side effects, as does the CDC on the pages I've linked to numerous times. Despite the potential for side effects, the vaccines have repeatedly been demonstrated to be safe and effective.

Every time someone doesn't die or exhibit bizarre side effects immediately after taking the vaccine is a "demonstration" to it being safe and effective, despite the person dying a couple weeks later, or contracting Covid anyway. Your words are just propaganda designed to pressure people to get the vaccine.

Feel free to take it for them.

 

[Lacius]

Every time someone doesn't die or exhibit bizarre side effects immediately after taking the vaccine is a "demonstration" to it being safe and effective, despite the person dying a couple weeks later, or contracting Covid anyway. Your words are just propaganda designed to pressure people to get the vaccine.

Feel free to take it for them.

Being demonstrated to be safe and effective doesn't mean it's 100% safe and effective. The good news is serious side effects are exceedingly rare (much more rare than the odds of contracting COVID-19 and suffering severe symptoms from that), and contracting COVID-19 after being fully vaccinated is also very rare. Even if you do contract COVID-19 after being fully vaccinated, you are very unlikely to suffer severe symptoms from the disease, and you are very unlikely to die from the disease if you have been fully vaccinated. Between 99-100% of COVID-19 hospitalizations and deaths, depending on where you live, are people who are not vaccinated.

Part of the vaccination strategy is achieving herd immunity. If enough people are vaccinated, the virus isn't circulating, people aren't even exposed to it, nobody contracts COVID-19, and nobody dies from COVID-19.

People shouldn't have to feel pressured to take the vaccine. It's in your best interest, and it's in the best interest of the people around you. If acknowledging the demonstrable safety and efficacy of the vaccines, as well as the moral imperative to get vaccinated, are somehow pressuring for you, that says a lot more about your character than you think it does.

 

[tabzer]

Being demonstrated to be safe and effective doesn't mean it's 100% safe and effective. The good news is serious side effects are exceedingly rare (much more rare than the odds of contracting COVID-19 and suffering severe symptoms from that), and contracting COVID-19 after being fully vaccinated is also very rare. Even if you do contract COVID-19 after being fully vaccinated, you are very unlikely to suffer severe symptoms from the disease, and you are very unlikely to die from the disease if you have been fully vaccinated. Between 99-100% of COVID-19 hospitalizations and deaths, depending on where you live, are people who are not vaccinated.

Part of the vaccination strategy is achieving herd immunity. If enough people are vaccinated, the virus isn't circulating, people aren't even exposed to it, nobody contracts COVID-19, and nobody dies from COVID-19.

People shouldn't have to feel pressured to take the vaccine. It's in your best interest, and it's in the best interest of the people around you. If acknowledging the demonstrable safety and efficacy of the vaccines, as well as the moral imperative to get vaccinated, are somehow pressuring for you, that says a lot more about your character than you think it does.

Lol no. You telling people to get a vaccine and that it is a moral imperative to do so is not me misinterpreting the message.

You could sell covid-19 as the cure with the same kind of messaging.

 

[Lacius]

Lol no. You telling people to get a vaccine and that it is a moral imperative to do so is not me misinterpreting the message.

People should get the vaccine if they are medically able to do so. The is the guidance from the CDC and every reputable medical organization I'm aware of.

Considering every human being on this planet is a potential vector for COVID-19 (or worse, for a more dangerous variant), the anti-science decision to not get vaccinated is a decision that negatively affects everyone around you in addition to yourself. There is indeed a moral imperative to get vaccinated.

I'm sorry if these facts are inconvenient for you, but moral imperatives are often inconvenient.

You could sell covid-19 as the cure with the same kind of messaging.

What?

 

[tabzer]

the anti-science decision to not get vaccinated is a decision that negatively affects everyone around you in addition to yourself

Not wanting to be the test group of an ongoing scientific experiment means you are anti-science.

Not getting the vaccine negativity impacts you.

These are bunk.

 

[Lacius]

Not wanting to be the test group of an ongoing scientific experiment means you are anti-science.

Not getting the vaccine negativity impacts you.

These are bunk.

The vaccines have repeatedly been demonstrated to be safe and effective. It is anti-scientific to suggest otherwise, yes.

Not getting the vaccine negatively affects you, and it negative affects the people around you if you don't get it, yes. To say that's "bunk" is conspiratorial garbage. We know the vaccine helps protect against COVID-19 and the actually serious effects of the disease, and we know the vaccines help protect against spreading that disease to others.

 

[tabzer]

Not getting the vaccine negatively affects you.

This is illogical trash.

The vaccines have repeatedly been demonstrated to be safe and effective.

The vaccines have also repeatedly demonstrated adverse side effects and promoted a false confidence.

 

[Iamapirate]

Despite the vaccine being in your best interest, and in the best interest of those who have to interact with you, it's your choice whether or not you want to be vaccinated. However, let's not pretend that one's refusal to get vaccinated is anything other than reckless and anti-scientific.

Why is it in my best interest?

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This is illogical trash.



The vaccines have also repeatedly demonstrated adverse side effects and promoted a false confidence.

Long-term testing of like what, six months? Are we forgetting vaccines often take years and decades to be approved?

 

[Jayro]

Are we forgetting vaccines often take years and decades to be approved?

It's not like we're starting every vaccine from scratch. We use others as a base to start from.

 

[tabzer]

It's not like we're starting every vaccine from scratch. We use others as a base to start from.

Yet it isn't settled science. Here in Japan we had a vaccines cause horrible side effects for many people. Other countries have had the same kind of situation. Also, this one has less credentials than the ones that did cause big issues.

It would be nice if there was proof that a vaccine could work without side effects, but that isn't possible.

As Lacius might say, discarding the bodies is a feature of science, not a bug.

 

[Jayro]

Yeah, I'm kinda disappointed that I didn't turn into William Burkin from Resident Evil 2, given how badly my arm was hurting...

 

[tabzer]

Yeah, I'm kinda disappointed that I didn't turn into William Burkin from Resident Evil 2, given how badly my arm was hurting...

You need more magnets.

 

[laudern]

Please provide the evidence from a reputable source that shows the vaccines are not safe and effective. Thank you.

Right here bud

https://www.health.gov.au/sites/def...accination-after-your-astrazeneca-vaccine.pdf

Rare side effects that have been reported after COVID-19 Vaccine AstraZeneca are:
- A very rare and unusual clotting condition:
--People with this condition get very unwell and need to go to hospital. This condition can lead to long-term disability, and even death.

Although it is pretty effective. If the vaccine kills you, you definitely won't get covid.

 

[tabzer]

Right here bud

https://www.health.gov.au/sites/def...accination-after-your-astrazeneca-vaccine.pdf

Rare side effects that have been reported after COVID-19 Vaccine AstraZeneca are:
- A very rare and unusual clotting condition:
--People with this condition get very unwell and need to go to hospital. This condition can lead to long-term disability, and even death.

Although it is pretty effective. If the vaccine kills you, you definitely won't get covid.

So the vaccine is safe OR effective.

 

[Lacius]

This is illogical trash.

By getting vaccinated, you are much less likely to contract COVID-19, and you are much less likely to suffer serious symptoms, hospitalization, or death from COVID-19.

The vaccines have also repeatedly demonstrated adverse side effects and promoted a false confidence.

The potential for side-effects has been acknowledged. The odds of serious side-effects are vanishingly small, there are mitigations in place to deal with serious side-effects in the highly unlikely event that they do happen, and the odds of contracting COVID-19 and suffering serious symptoms are much higher than the odds of suffering serious side-effects from a vaccine.

Why is it in my best interest?

By getting vaccinated, you are much less likely to contract COVID-19, and you are much less likely to suffer serious symptoms, hospitalization, or death from COVID-19.

Yet it isn't settled science. Here in Japan we had a vaccines cause horrible side effects for many people. Other countries have had the same kind of situation. Also, this one has less credentials than the ones that did cause big issues.

It would be nice if there was proof that a vaccine could work without side effects, but that isn't possible.

As Lacius might say, discarding the bodies is a feature of science, not a bug.

Most of the potential side-effects from the vaccine are a sign that your immune system is responding properly to the vaccine. It means it's working.

Right here bud

https://www.health.gov.au/sites/def...accination-after-your-astrazeneca-vaccine.pdf

Rare side effects that have been reported after COVID-19 Vaccine AstraZeneca are:
- A very rare and unusual clotting condition:
--People with this condition get very unwell and need to go to hospital. This condition can lead to long-term disability, and even death.

1. The odds of experiencing the clotting side-effect with this specific vaccine are extremely small (approximately 1 in a million).
2. Now that we know about the potential for this rare side-effect, there are mitigations in place to avert serious harm from this side-effect.
3. There are clotting risks associated with lots of drugs, including but not limited to birth control pills and certain painkillers, and the risk of clotting is far higher with these drugs than with the vaccine. We still consider these drugs to me relatively safe.
4. Even given the odds of clotting with this vaccine, the vaccine is many times safer than potentially contracting COVID-19 and suffering serious symptoms as a result. For example, the odds of a clot with this vaccine is approximately 1 in a million (and if you have it, it can be mitigated), and the odds of dying from COVID-19 are approximately 1 in 100.

The vaccines are demonstrably safe and effective, and that includes the AstraZeneca and J&J vaccines.

Although it is pretty effective. If the vaccine kills you, you definitely won't get covid.

Your odds of dying from a vaccine are near zero. If you've contracted COVID-19, your odds of dying from COVID-19 are approximately 1 in 100. Your odds are even higher that you will suffer severe symptoms and/or need to be hospitalized due to a COVID-19 infection.