I thought this conversation was amiable but you posted this, which I'm not sure whether to take as a broad criticism of software development or a veiled shot at me.
Two points: I write code, professionally. I use a mac, not Gnu or Linux, and I think RMS is crazy.
darkten said:Someone says "hey...let's put something together. This ain't bad...might be useful..." only to have a cavalcade of people that cannot or will not contribute code, art, resources, anything do a bunch of "armchair app architecture" raising the Signal-to-Noise ratio substantially.
The irony is that by not opening it you directly create this scenario, but from the start you haven't seemed open to any contributions.
Usually the most vocal people advocating OSS DO NOT WRITE CODE. It is a "religion" for them.darkten said:Or someone with a GPL stick up their asses pulling the sub-paragraphs they like or seem to believe are relevant (believe me...you have to DIG to find Apple's GPL attributions and jump thru hoops to get the source. And ask the kde boys about the source they got back from Apple. We have to give it to you...we don't have to make it easy in ANY WAY to comply) to make a point.
Well, saying that you need to cite derivative/included work is not digging through the GPL to pin something on you. There was simply no notice, at all. And equivocation isn't legitimization. Apple has been heavily criticized for these same things. However, look again at the acknowledgements option in Safari, the GPL and BSD licenses are there with citations of the konqueror people.
darkten said:See...I've been thru this MANY TIMES in the past 12 years, and when you talk to the *actual copyright holders of the code*, in almost all cases they actually are amused that 1. someone is porting to OS X and 2. if it is in a commercial product that Mac Users are "stupid" enough to pay for value-ad when they can just run stuff in the term.
That isn't a legal argument, kwiirk consciously put gpl, and not bsd, in there and unless he says otherwise, you have to respect that.
QUOTE(darkten @ Apr 6 2009, 11:13 AM)
Two points: I write code, professionally. I use a mac, not Gnu or Linux, and I think RMS is crazy.