Clone carts from now on?

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  1. XavierSylfaen
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    A thought - what are the clone carts going to do from now on? Assuming that the brick code will still be in Gateway 2.0 final (even if they say it's not, would you believe them?) all of the clone carts will be stuck without multirom or any future updates. Will R4 and the like just use modified Gateway firmware anyway and tell their users to try taking the risk? Will they shut down entirely? Or will they actually start developing their own firmware? What are your thoughts?
     


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    Here's a great idea - why won't cloners do actual work? Why won't they sit down and do what Gateway Team did or what MTCard Team did and write some software? Their own software. Ah, right, that would entail having to work, and working isn't in their nature - they want to reap all the benefits with no responsibility or effort involved. :)
     
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    I don't think they'll stop copying GW. With 2.0 final the clone will need to answer fast if they want to stay in the game and programming a whole exploit from scratch will take way too long.

    So I guess it's safe to say that they'll simply copy 2.0 again. Only this time, they'll probably brute-force the code to hunt for killer-code (when you got the hardware, it's not too hard).
     
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    Of course they should...but they won't :P

    EDIT : Also, if clone team actually develop a new firmware, they'll probably release it under a new banner to avoid the bad reputation of the clones. That's maybe the case of MT.
     
  5. Thomas83Lin

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    I wouldn't count them out. Though it may take longer to get updates out cause they will have to patch out unwanted code and spend more time testing. :tpi:
     
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    Clone card programmers' motto is as follows, "hard work pays off later but laziness pays off now?" They very well could, and they shouldn't leach off of others' works, but much like in nature, it's survival of the fittest on the internet :unsure:
     
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    Assuming this is the case, then there are two possibilities.

    Possibility 1: They are unable to remove the brick code. What then? Would they shut down, or try to develop their own code?

    Possibility 2: They are able to remove the brick code. Or at least claim that they are able to. Would people believe their claims over Gateway's? If they actually did manage to remove the brick code, what would it mean for Gateway financially when there is a cheaper cart with multirom and no bricking? Would the clone carts then ironically be the much safer option?

    Something to think about, and we'll be seeing what actually happens in the upcoming weeks once Gateway releases 2.0.
     
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    The iEvo was never cracked by the clones, team gateway needs some of that.
     
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    They'll either stay at v1.2 forever and eventually die off, or follow the footsteps of MT Card and slowly implement features. What is certain is that Gateway will be ahead of the game.

    It's almost irrelevant whether they manage to remove the brick code or not. Even if they managed to, I'm certain it shouldn't be difficult for GW to spread propaganda and cause the consumers to think that the brick code is still intact. I mean, it only took a few threads on a couple forums to make all the GW users weary about the brick code's effect on legitimate GWs.
     
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    They'll start shipping hacked GW 2.0 launcher with unbricker.
     

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    They list BSOD as a feature along with ramble pack
     
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    I think the Gateway software needs to keep the bricking code in it, but instead of bricking the 3DS (Stupid...) it should brick the clone carts instead. That way cloners will be FORCED to write their own firmware, instead of coasting off of Gateway's firmware.
     
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    Think it's already been covered that they can't brick the clones....maybe just formatting the SD all the time might work, and it would stop the "legit" devs from trying to help the clones bypass the copy protection, if they are so against piracy why bother helping as long as it's not bricking consoles
     
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    Bricking consoles is just a dick move to do to their consumers, so if it doesn't brick cloned carts, then why is it there?
     
  15. Nathan Drake

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    Because apparently Gateway doesn't understand that punishing the end user for daring to purchase a cheaper clone cart won't stop clones from happening and selling. In terms of coding, they may be decent (as far we're aware), but in terms of actually handling the business side of this, they are positively awful.
     
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    Don't think I have ever heard of nice copy protection...wonder why?

    Yeah it was a bad move but atleast it wasn't implemented in a way that just bricked everyone at the same time....people had a chance to avoid it thanks to that atleast
     
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    MT Card is made by the very same team behind 3DSLink, Orange3DS and whatever, the only reason they have a different card with different features is because the 3DSLink and co's FPGA cannot be updated, therefore it will never be able to have multirom capabilities.

    In fact, technically speaking, it will be impossible for the 3DSLink and co to run gateway's 2.0 firmware with multirom capabilities considering the ASIC will behave differently and their own ASIC cannot be updated and therefore wouldn't understand any kind of commands meant for multirom support.

    The clone makers understood that and went up with another card that does have an updatable FPGA and released it as another brand with a bunch of useless features such as an usb port or a hardware button.

    MT card is built at the same factories as the other clone cards (so far) and the Launcher.dat still contains the same keys and addresses for all the obfuscation stages as both clones and gateway (clones copied it from gateway and didn't bother even changing a single key or the stages' headers' magic values)

    Claiming MT card is another card from an "innovative" team, is a delusion.
     
  18. Foxi4

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    Fair enough, not everyone's an insider or has a stack of 3DS flashcarts ready to be taken apart - all I'm saying is that seeing the shortcomings of the previous carts, whoever's behind MTCard improved the design to account for future features (even if it was pretty late to do so). No delusion, rather a lack of information. ;)
     
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    Yeah it's kinda easy with all the rumors and speculation on here, fact is that MT card got a single feature working but sacrificed every other feature to achieve it, I would prefer a team that can add features without breaking everything else in the process......also seeing as the MT card is pretty much 99% confirmed to be from the clones! I doubt they will bother supporting the clones after they got rid of all their existing stock! they are full of MT promises XD, no doubt MT's plans where to just rip off gateways FW as soon as it was released, but the delay means they just had to throw whatever they had out
     
  20. Vengenceonu

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    You can bet their multirom feature is going to get an overhaul to match or improve on what gateway just showed us, and whoever's bright idea it was to waste time and money on a switch must feel like crap atm.