Hardware Cheer me up...

[ItsKipz]

For people worried about launch prices, I'll just drop this here: https://twitter.com/dystify/status/820044148787081218

 

[Xzi]

Ask Nintendo if I'm joking.
http://www.nintendo.com/games/detail/super-mario-run-ios

This is like saying Square-Enix is going entirely mobile because you can get FFT on Google Play. Stop being ridiculous.

 

[zoogie]

This is like saying Square-Enix is going entirely mobile because you can get FFT on Google Play. Stop being ridiculous.

They're not a hardware vendor ...

It's one thing to release games for mobile, an entirely different one to release a platform to to directly compete with mobile in 2017.

 

[Xzi]

They're not a hardware vendor ...

It's one thing to release games for mobile, an entirely different one to release a platform to to directly compete with mobile in 2017.

It's two completely separate markets. You might as well say PS4 Pro is a platform for competing with mobile too. Mobile games are always going to be garbage compared to traditional games. The fact that people are stupid enough to sink money into them doesn't change that.

 

[insidexdeath]

I have to disagree entirely there, the hardware has a ton of potential. Perhaps even more importantly, it does so many things that XB1/PS4 don't. That's why it appeals to me as a PC gamer, it's not the same type of stationary gaming box, it has different use cases.


MK8 Deluxe is just a game with additions, yeah, but it's 16 new tracks and like 4 new characters. Splatoon is not a port, it's a sequel, Splatoon 2.

The idea behind this system is definitely interesting, and also appeals to me a lot. I was even considering pre-ordering the Switch when I saw the first video.

However, in my previous comment, I was referring to the games being announced for it, and not the hardware. I'm more interested in the games that it has to offer though.

16 new tracks, and 4 new characters makes it worth a full price? Of course not. Nintendo is used to getting away with whatever they want, but recycling games is just taking it too far. This also includes Splatoon 2 which offers no addition over the Wii U Splatoon, that's why I considered Splatoon as a port.

 

[Xzi]

This also includes Splatoon 2 which offers no addition over the Wii U Splatoon, that's why I considered Splatoon as a port.

Uhmm, there's a ton of new stuff in Splatoon 2. They mention that there are loads of new weapons, maps, modes, strategies, and that they haven't even added everything that's going to be added yet. It's a sequel just like any other sequel. This is much like saying, "well, I played Uncharted, no point in playing Uncharted 2-4, basically the same game."

 

[insidexdeath]

Uhmm, there's a ton of new stuff in Splatoon 2. They mention that there are loads of new weapons, maps, strategies, and that they haven't even added everything that's going to be added yet. It's a sequel just like any other sequel. This is much like saying, "well, I played Uncharted, no point in playing Uncharted 2-4, basically the same game."

Unfair comparison to the Uncharted series as each had a different storyline, and better gameplay than the other.

What Splatoon is doing is pulling a Call of Duty, by including new maps, and weapons etc.

 

[Xzi]

Unfair comparison to the Uncharted series as each had a different storyline, and better gameplay than the other.

What Splatoon is doing is pulling a Call of Duty, by including new maps, weapons etc.

It's just an example. Sequels are sequels, they're not the same thing as ports. And Splatoon couldn't pull a CoD even if they wanted to. Impossible to churn out yearly releases like that.

 

[darkten]

Perhaps, because I am "old"...I see this all differently. This is what I mean:

I own and bought with my own money, All of the Console Things up to this point, save the PS4 Pro/Tiny Xbox One, because why bother, right? Having said this, and you know, watching the last Playstation thing, I came away with a completely different feeling from these two events, and it just re-affirmed a feeling I've had for awhile now -

Sony is bullshit and people have bought into this hook, line and sinker as "gaming". Virtually every "AAA" so-called game being released is, I'm sorry kids, nothing more than Dragon's Lair II with a bit more "free" roaming thrown in, rendered "in game" instead of FMV. "Quick events" are nothing more than Dragon's Lair. The "stories" are trope-y ass "B-Movie minus" scripts for the most part, failed movie wannabe stuff. These "Game Studios" are just that...Studios making interactive puppet shows. I watched Mass Effect Andromeda and Horizon and drooled...and felt it was more about me drooling than *doing shit*...you know?

The Switch thing? I want to *play* the *hell* out of that thing. It looks like it was made for *fun*...for me to be the star with my friends. The whole..."vibe/philosophy" is different. Maybe because I am old, but it reminded me of how I felt when I was a teen and in college, all of the money spent at the arcades, hanging out with my friends and playing the newest release because only *they* had it...the Switch and it's messaging and positioning really reflect this "spirit of gaming and play" vibe that doesn't seem like a vendor polygon pissing match spec war.

So yeah, I guess if Galaga didn't motivate you, that goddamned dog didn't make you want to throw your Zapper thru the TV...or a myriad other milestones in the evolution of video gaming as a whole, maybe this thing is like "meh" to you.

Judging tho from what is happening in the pre-order streets, a LOT of people in every market the thing has been (pre) attainable so far, across a spectrum of retailers...maybe they might be onto something.

After I got PSVR, the next on the list was PS4 Pro (I am done with Microsoft for now...) but you know, I don't know...I put that money into a Switch. That's not nothing. I don't think I am a special snowflake in this regard

Your gloom is of your own design - it is...what it is, and it carries it's lineage's DNA. Maybe it isn't for some of you guys, but for "Nintendo Kids" just growing up now, going off to college or whatever...it appears to be a Nintendo for them, perhaps, and their parents...and their friends...

 

[darkten]

The idea behind this system is definitely interesting, and also appeals to me a lot. I was even considering pre-ordering the Switch when I saw the first video.

However, in my previous comment, I was referring to the games being announced for it, and not the hardware. I'm more interested in the games that it has to offer though.

16 new tracks, and 4 new characters makes it worth a full price? Of course not. Nintendo is used to getting away with whatever they want, but recycling games is just taking it too far. This also includes Splatoon 2 which offers no addition over the Wii U Splatoon, that's why I considered Splatoon as a port.

But...what if you never played the *other* Mario Kart 8? It is new to you. I don't know, but I have already thought of *use cases* for that "stupid" Quickdraw game, which, I'm sorry, *is* brilliant, and there will be knockoffs in the app stores. Hell, I made a "mini game" like this for the iPhone 3GS with a different take, way back when. A meeting gets a little too heated? A couple of "Orthogonal Augmented Reality Real-World Instant Death Matches" are sure to ease the tension a little.

I mean I get it. But "not for you" != "not for anyone" or even a "failure". Virtually everything people predicted Nintendo would get "wrong" they seemed to be ready for...and they did it their way.

The market will decide if "4K HDR" is what matters or what Nintendo is selling. 1080p fun that if you *just can't stop playing*, take with. And if you have a game and a friend, they maybe can play too.

We'll see I suppose won't we? Sure there will be some "video (game) movie producers" that 'just can't see how' they could support the platform, but the money and where developers see growth and opportunity drives things. I don't think Nintendo is going to have *any* problems selling these things...and if they sit for any amount of time, some title released this year will clean out the inventory...just like Sun/Moon did for the DS series.

If anything, these "ports" and "rereleases" will serve to move units for people that 'skipped' the Wii U...

 

[Bladexdsl]

cheer up...online isn't free anymore!

 

[Pleng]

You are a drop in an ocean compared to Nintendo. They own the servers they dont rent them like you do.

I *highly* doubt that is the case. Certainly Wii and DS online operations were outsourced. I'd be willing to bet that the same is true of Wii-U and 3DS. They are a games hardware & software production company, not a golbal network provider - it wouldn't make any sense for them to operate in-house.

Even if they *did* own the servers, electricity, bandwidth and maintenance aren't free. It would most probably actually cost them *more* to run the operation in-house than to outsource it... That fact alone makes your argument invalid.

 

[Slartibartfast42]

Some people just outright won't be able to pay. Nintendo gave Brazil the good ol' middle finger and we can't even use the eShop on the Wii U, how are we going to pay for the online if they don't even take our national cards on the 3DS?

If they won't take your cards directly, you can just buy codes. I'm sure your Amazon and other places will take your cards.

 

[fatsquirrel]

I *highly* doubt that is the case. Certainly Wii and DS online operations were outsourced. I'd be willing to bet that the same is true of Wii-U and 3DS. They are a games hardware & software production company, not a golbal network provider - it wouldn't make any sense for them to operate in-house.

Even if they *did* own the servers, electricity, bandwidth and maintenance aren't free. It would most probably actually cost them *more* to run the operation in-house than to outsource it... That fact alone makes your argument invalid.

They had their own servers operating from Japan (for Japanese network) in the time of DS (and Im assuming Wii generatioon also) that I know for a fact. Also you greatly underestimate the wealth and power of Nintendo. They are not just a sw&hw manufacturers, they are an absolutely massive corporation that can self sustain themselves for decades.
You dont need to be ''global network provider'' to offer game servers. Where do these idiotic statements come from jeez...

 

[Pleng]

They had their own servers operating from Japan (for Japanese network) in the time of DS (and Im assuming Wii generatioon also) that I know for a fact.

Any source to back that up? According to this article the majority of Wii/DS online was handled by GameSpy.

Also you greatly underestimate the wealth and power of Nintendo.

What has their wealth got to do with their internal expertise in any given area"? They also have enough money to set up their own plastics moulding company and manufacture all their game packaging in house. But that's not the most economical way to do so....

They are not just a sw&hw manufacturers, they are an absolutely massive corporation that can self sustain themselves for decades.

What else do Nintendo provide other than Software and Hardware?

You dont need to be ''global network provider'' to offer game servers. Where do these idiotic statements come from jeez...

No you don't need to be. But you're not likely to provide a service as good as a dedicated company, and even if you do, you won't manage it for the same cost as you would outsourcing to experts.

 

[YugamiSekai]

PS4 has paid multiplayer, Xbox 360 and Xbox One has paid multiplayer so why the hell you're overreacting so much?

I mean not everyone has money to just splash around.

 

[fatsquirrel]

Any source to back that up? According to this article the majority of Wii/DS online was handled by GameSpy.

Im on the phone and its confusing as hell to write longer replies sorry..I wanted to say that Nintendo provides software and hardware of course, but they have servers that ARE or at least were their own, for Japanese market in times of DS and (MAYBE!!!) Wii.
I do not know how they handle(d) it in EU and USA never claimed I do.
I cannot back that up with a written evidence so believe me if you want or dont

 

[Pleng]

Ok then...

 

[Pacheko17]

If they won't take your cards directly, you can just buy codes. I'm sure your Amazon and other places will take your cards.

Not a bad idea honestly.
Exchange rates are a bit high, our money is worth way less than the dollar but I guess it's doable.
Just gotta hope Nintendo lets us use the store wallet money to pay for the subscription.
I was going to get 12 month PS+ once but they ran out of PS+ cards so I just bought a card that had enough money for the subscription and bought it on the PS Store back at home. ( But PS Store let's us use national cards so it's less of a problem, prices are adjusted too ).

 

[hobbledehoy899]

am I missing a joke or are you being serious

Dead serious.