1. Alm

    OP Alm Hero of Prophecy
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    Hello guys,

    Its been awhile that I've used this platform due to me being stuck with studies and all. I would like to ask anyone knowledgeable a theory. If i were to launch my switch into sysNAND just to use homebrew and then go back to the regular FW, would I still get banned ?


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    The only thing I want to do is to use the homebrew and nothing else. There was a time that I was pirating games since I was really young and there was no way for me to get games due to the lack of means I had. Now that I'm grown, I don't feel the need to pirate games at all and I just want to ticker with some games for my own curiosity.
     
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  2. JayMathis

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    You could.
     
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  3. Alm

    OP Alm Hero of Prophecy
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    I mean yeah I COULD but, it isn't if I could or not. The problem is if i were to switch back and fourth, can I still get banned ?
     
  4. RHOPKINS13

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    You'd need to give us a lot more details about what you're planning on doing. There are NO guarantees when it comes to whether you'll be banned. A lot of people have been successful using a dirty emunand / clean sysnand to avoid bans. Quite a few people have used homebrew on sysnand and still haven't been banned.

    Having any illegitimate NSPs installed on your SysNand will significantly raise your chances of being banned. If for some reason you're going to use CFW on SysNand, it's advisable to stay offline while doing it, and don't install any NSPs. If you already have pirated NSPs on your SysNand, you should definitely delete them before going online, but there is NO guarantee whatsoever that this will prevent a ban.
     
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    There is no 100% guarantee, but you are relatively safe, if you only use homebrew, and are careful with modding and save modification in online games. Also the best cfw to use for this would probably be a clean atmosphere.
     
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  6. Alm

    OP Alm Hero of Prophecy
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    Wait, there is a way to get homebrew without a CFW ? Also, I meant to say to use hombrew on the CFW then switch back to the regular FW.

    A clean atmosphere ? Explain yourself since I'm just getting into the switch hacking scene.
     
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    My recommendation is you let yourself get banned. Nintendo's online service is not worth using.

    To answer your question: make a NAND backup immediately before hacking your Switch and restore the backup immediately before going online. You have to do this every time you hack your Switch then go online. This method is 100% safe if you do it properly.

    All other methods come with a certain degree of risk. EmuNAND is a good trade off between risk and convenience.
     
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    Based on what you've said, not enough precautions have been taken in the beginning. You now have a "dirty nand". You will most likely be banned if you go online with OFW.
     
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    There are currently only a few cfws, and most of them are based on the cfw atmosphere, or big parts of atmospheres code.
    To my knowledge Atmospheres main goal is to be as safe as possible, while allowing homebrew and game modding. For this atmosphere takes some precautions, like blocking the creation of most of the error logs and more. That's also the reason why there are not any know and trustworthy reports of people getting banned for using atmosphere while going online. Most bans are from people doing things like installing nsps, or cheating/modding in online games.
    I myself don't use an emunand, while always staying in cfw and going online since shortly after the cfw got released, and I'm still not banned, so, while you should keep in mind that there is always a risk left, don't let yourself be scared to much by other people, if you just want to use simple homebrews like emulators, games or themes.

    Also there are some cfw packs, that include additional patches and system modules, which can be less safe to use. That's why I talked about a clean atmosphere cfw installation.
     
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    When done correctly, there's no ban risk using EmuNAND.

    If he has a clean NAND backup, he should restore it. Otherwise, consider using haku33:
    https://gbatemp.net/threads/clean-the-nand-of-the-nintendo-switch-haku33-homebrew.548620/
     
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    Thanks for all of your opinions on this thread. I would like to ask you guys one more question ? What is incognito and what does it serve when we are talking about safety online ?
     
  12. JayMathis

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    Like I said you could. Since we're not Nintendo we cant give you any definates.
     
  13. Ian095

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    Can I get Banned If I... YES, YES YOU CAN. if you have to question it then it's always going to be a yes, the potential is there.

    In terms of what you're saying if you illegitimately gained access to games you didn't purchase on your switch, haven't gone online but don't have a NAND backup then you're highly likely to be banned. I used homebrew on my switch when it was first public and didn't bother to even consider if I'd be banned. I know if my switch were to get online right now I'd be banned instantly but since I have a clean NAND backup from the original firmware it was last on I'd say if I ever wanted to go online there's a good chance me personally, would manage to get by. Even those who use Homebrew these days though are far more likely to be banned than they were back then when I guess it wasn't as known of. That's just an opinion based on the experiences I've heard people have had on here though plus I don't plan to take my switch online ever again anyways.

    For your sake you may as well take the precautions but honestly wouldn't be surprised if you get banned, doesn't make your console useless anyways I think keeping the console offline and modding the hell out of it is actually far more fun than the original content provided by Nintendo.

    For example, I have added mods into Breath of the Wild so I'm practically OP it's a lot of fun. I've used mods to enhance the textures in Sword and Shield and also another which ups the difficulty significantly and well, you'd laugh if you saw the current state of my Smash Bros roster. I know I'm rambling on a bit off-topic but what I'm saying is even if you're banned, being a homebrew guy is honestly the better choice in my opinion.
     
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    Incognito is a tool that removes the console unique informations from the nand, resulting in a probably not identifiable Nintendo switch. It also results in an inability to use online functions while in this state, because the switch needs to authenticate itself for this. But it's not clear if this is really safe and effective, since it possible that this information is also stored in other places, like system saves, so I'm not a fan of this.

    If you have never installed any nsp on your nand, and never used romfs piracy, you should also be careful with nand clearing, since these clear the error logs, and if those got send before to Nintendo, Nintendo can theoretically detect these inconsistencies between the local logs and remote logs, which should not happen under normal circumstances.
     
  15. Alm

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    i'm not trying to pirate games. i bought all the games i wanted honestly, and yes i know there is a 100% possibility of getting banned. what I am saying is what precautions i can take in order to stall that ban or avoid it temporarily. I've seen people going on for almost a year without getting banned while still modding till this day so this is honestly based on the dumb stuffs people do with the switch. I just wanted to homebrew just to backup my saves if anything happens to my switch and curious of the other applications on the homebrew.
     
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    Well, you can extract save data from a NAND backup, this way you never need to run homebrew/CFW in HOS, all that's needed is Hekate, so it should be undetectable.
     
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    Can i get banned if i...yes. Anything unrelated to Nintendo is a reason for Nintendo to ban your console. Set up an emuMMC and use it for homebrew and stuff. You should leave the sysnand clean.

    You can't avoid a ban temporarily. If your console is banned, it is banned and cannot be undone.
     
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  18. Alm

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    what i meant by temporarily is that I am aware that I will eventually get banned for what I am doing doesn't mean I can't take precautions to avoid the ban so it can't be an immediate one. I know it will happen eventually. I'm just stalling it.
     
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    If a very low rink of a ban is enough for you, the only real precautions you need to take, are never installing nsps (neither game nor homebrew nsps), being careful with romhax in games that are online(splatoon 2 for example has a few checks, which can ban you for modifications, even while just being connected to the internet), don't modify game saves from online games and don't do any unnecessary modifications to the nand. Also be careful with system modules, while modules like sysclock or discord switch Presence are relatively safe, others may not. This is also the case for homebrew, most homebrews like emulators or games should be save, while other types may not be.
    Also like I said, best would be to use a clean atmosphere instalation and not a collection, so you know exaclty what you are running on your switch.
    BTW, one of the main reasons, why the devs of atmosphere added emunand support, is to my knowledge to allow people to use lower firmware version on the sysnand to stay on a vulnerable firmware version, while being able to be on the latest firmware for online on emunand, which is importend for exploit like dejavu that are limited to specific firmware versions.
     
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    Thanks for your response. It is really appreciated.
     
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