Hacking Best practice for preserving Switch 2 exploitability?

[jbarton]

I don't think anyone has tried this yet. You can certainly delay firmware updates, but there will be a persistent nag and eventually a game that requires it. Honestly people are so up in arms about updating clinging to hope that there will be some magical exploit that will likely never materialize. Use your devices and enjoy them as they are, don't make plans based on what might not even happen in the future.

Wise suggestion, tnx

 

[Marc_LFD]

I don't think anyone has tried this yet. You can certainly delay firmware updates, but there will be a persistent nag and eventually a game that requires it. Honestly people are so up in arms about updating clinging to hope that there will be some magical exploit that will likely never materialize. Use your devices and enjoy them as they are, don't make plans based on what might not even happen in the future.

Can you cancel or delete a system update?

 

[Girtana1]

Can you cancel or delete a system update?

no dude lmao

 

[metaljay]

I think the only debate / question to be had is the microSD Express card update.
If that can only be applied on the latest firmware then there’s an incentive to get it done asap.

That said, I’ve kept my switch in the box on firmware 19.0

 

[drowzeehypno]

I think the only debate / question to be had is the microSD Express card update.
If that can only be applied on the latest firmware then there’s an incentive to get it done asap.

That said, I’ve kept my switch in the box on firmware 19.0

Ye I'm wondering on that question too, but that being said isn't a firmware exploit on the new switches close to impossible?

 

[Marc_LFD]

no dude lmao

On PS4 you can delete the notification of an update so I thought about the possibility.

 

[PureFallen]

Can you cancel or delete a system update?

Unfortunately not.
Nintendo is rather persistent when it comes to this stuff. Already on the Switch 1, System Updates destroy Fuses located on the SoC to check which System Updates were installed in the past and prevent older firmware from running on the hardware.
If you ever installed a System Update your only option to run an older firmware again is waiting for a Custom Firmware that does ignore burned fuses.

 

[MyconMama]

Can you cancel or delete a system update?

If it has been downloaded but not installed, you can clear it by booting into Maintenance Mode, at least on a Switch 1.

 

[jbarton]

Can you cancel or delete a system update?

I think that Marc_LFD was maybe asking if you can ignore/skip a System Update...can you?

 

[wischmob]

If it is like on Switch 1, the update will be downloaded automatically once available, but won't apply itself as long as auto updating is turned off. But every time you start a game it'll nag you to update the system, and it'll be the default option, so one wrong A button press can ruin your day.

 

[eskinner3742]

Honestly people are so up in arms about updating clinging to hope that there will be some magical exploit that will likely never materialize. Use your devices and enjoy them as they are, don't make plans based on what might not even happen in the future.

I agree people may be up in arms about it, but I feel it's a valid cause for discussion given the nature of this thread. A lot of consoles get exploits that only work on lower firmware, PS3 and PS4 are primary examples of this with jailbreaks specific to lower firmware versions. I think the hope here is we get something similar to Pegascape on ipatched switch 1 units, which is heavily firmware dependent and is compatible with 3.0.0 and 4.0.1 but specifically NOT 3.0.1 or 4.0.0. What if the situation is similar on switch 2 where 19.0.0 has an exploitable bug but 20.0.0 patches it? What if up to 20.1.1 gets a softmod method but it requires the sd card update which, if you kept your console sealed, means downloading the latest firmware from nintendo that likely ISN'T exploitable? I completely agree, don't let fear of losing possible homebrew potential stop you from enjoying your console, but to the dedicated modder, wondering "should I update" is a very real and valid concern. As for me, I'm keeping my unit sealed and my ear to the ground.

 

[BionicGecko]

I agree people may be up in arms about it, but I feel it's a valid cause for discussion given the nature of this thread. A lot of consoles get exploits that only work on lower firmware, PS3 and PS4 are primary examples of this with jailbreaks specific to lower firmware versions. I think the hope here is we get something similar to Pegascape on ipatched switch 1 units, which is heavily firmware dependent and is compatible with 3.0.0 and 4.0.1 but specifically NOT 3.0.1 or 4.0.0. What if the situation is similar on switch 2 where 19.0.0 has an exploitable bug but 20.0.0 patches it? What if up to 20.1.1 gets a softmod method but it requires the sd card update which, if you kept your console sealed, means downloading the latest firmware from nintendo that likely ISN'T exploitable? I completely agree, don't let fear of losing possible homebrew potential stop you from enjoying your console, but to the dedicated modder, wondering "should I update" is a very real and valid concern. As for me, I'm keeping my unit sealed and my ear to the ground.

That's true, but we also have to keep in mind that in order for an exploit to be found, someone has to look for it. The day 1 update adds a lot of functionality, which means more potential attack vectors for an exploit, so the likelihood that someone with the necessary skills would probe the Switch 2 for vulnerabilities before updating their switch to 20.0.0 (or 20.1.1) is really low. I would be really surprised if an exploit for 19.0.0 which doesn't work on 20.1.1 was ever found; there might be one, only there's no one to look for it.

 

[johndoegba]

I'm just gonna buy a Switch 2 from eBay marked as moddable once a CFW releases. It'll probably be a few hundred more than a store-bought one. I have 4 PS5's anyway, two of which are able to be modded, 1 i used to play online on and 1 that's the Anniversary edition PS5 Pro.

 

[lupo90]

I purchased 3 switch systems. One for my snake, one for playing online, and one for giggles.

You got some lucky snake over there - can I be your snake

 

[Marc_LFD]

I'm just gonna buy a Switch 2 from eBay marked as moddable once a CFW releases. It'll probably be a few hundred more than a store-bought one. I have 4 PS5's anyway, two of which are able to be modded, 1 i used to play online on and 1 that's the Anniversary edition PS5 Pro.

That's against the ToS of eBay, you can say "Extra Games" but Modded/CFW? That's piracy.

 

[linuxares]

That's against the ToS of eBay, you can say "Extra Games" but Modded/CFW? That's piracy.

Just say "low firmware" or something instead.

 

[Marc_LFD]

Just say "low firmware" or something instead.

Yep, when I sell a PS4 I just mention the firmware of it and nothing else.

 

[johndoegba]

That's against the ToS of eBay, you can say "Extra Games" but Modded/CFW? That's piracy.

I was not referring to games but rather the ability of the console being able to be modded. In itself homebrew is not piracy.

 

[Marc_LFD]

I was not referring to games but rather the ability of the console being able to be modded. In itself homebrew is not piracy.

I know, but eBay isn't really interested if it's Modded, Hacked, or Homebrew as they'd rather just avoid all three and stay official or... Keep it vague and if a buyer wants it, tell him via PM.

 

[LightBeam]

Never had to chip a console before, so I wonder how it's going to affect the updates on the Switch 2, potentially. I know they can patch softmods, but could they do that for hardmods too ?