Anyone here believe a ghost?

[DinohScene]

Nothing to do with 21st century. And still your opinion.

It's not an opinion, it's just common sense.

 

[plasturion]

Sure I do in Holy Spirit, but not only, however I think most popular paranormal phenomena can be simulated by evil spirits.
I don't have to worry about this, but if someone don't feel safe one thing I can suggest is try to pray for the souls in Purgatory you let them close to God and they need that. Purgatory is not a place but state. You are doing angelic stuff trying this. You can intentional offer your time, work, abandon halloween. It's good pray to God through Virgin Mary. Rosary is best.

 

[wormdood]

It's not an opinion, it's just common sense.

at one point "common sense" said the world was flat
or
was any historical "genius" considered common

 

[DinohScene]

at one point "common sense" said the world was flat
or
was any historical "genius" considered common

500 years from now on, people would have a rather primitive opinion about us.
Using phones to make conversations, using screens to watch things, believing we're alone in the universe.

It's progression which makes changes.

 

[Yil]

at one point "common sense" said the world was flat
or
was any historical "genius" considered common

I think that's just some religions. Greeks were well aware that earth is round and rotates around the sun (with relatively accurate numbers, say within 10% using very outdated equipments), and they never rejected mysticism.

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500 years from now on, people would have a rather primitive opinion about us.
Using phones to make conversations, using screens to watch things, believing we're alone in the universe.

It's progression which makes changes.

And who is it that denies the existence of other things out there? Aetheist.

 

[wormdood]

500 years from now on, people would have a rather primitive opinion about us.
Using phones to make conversations, using screens to watch things, believing we're alone in the universe.

It's progression which makes changes.

and there is no progression without discontent so if we all consent to common sense progression will stop and in 500 years they will be doing the same thing we do today

 

[DinohScene]

and there is no progression without discontent so if we all consent to common sense progression will stop and in 500 years they will be doing the same thing we do today

Progression is moving forward.
Away from the past, where idiots believe in supernatural nonsense.

 

[Yil]

Progression is moving forward.
Away from the past, where idiots believe in supernatural nonsense.

That does not mean the past is absolutely false and we have no foundation.

 

[spotanjo3]

Sure I do in Holy Spirit, but not only, however I think most popular paranormal phenomena can be simulated by evil spirits.
I don't have to worry about this, but if someone don't feel safe one thing I can suggest is try to pray for the souls in Purgatory you let them close to God and they need that. Purgatory is not a place but state. You are doing angelic stuff trying this. You can intentional offer your time, work, abandon halloween. It's good pray to God through Virgin Mary. Rosary is best.

Really ? You shouldn't according to this:

Thou shalt not make unto thee any graven image, or any likeness [of any thing] that [is] in heaven above, or that [is] in the earth beneath, or that [is] in the water under the earth: 5 Thou shalt not bow down thyself to them, nor serve them: for I the LORD thy God [am] a jealous God, ..

And

Thou shalt have no other gods before Me. You shouldnt used the Rosary for it is an idols. And you should pray to God through his son Jesus Christ. Not Virgin Mary.

 

[wormdood]

Progression is moving forward.
Away from the past, where idiots believe in supernatural nonsense.

i have no problem with progression . . . its "common sense" that bothers me . . . we as a species should strive to be extraordinary not common . . .

 

[DinohScene]

i have no problem with progression . . . its "common sense" that bothers me . . . we as a species should strive to be extraordinary not common . . .

Idk lad, common sense is what keeps the society from exterminating itself.

 

[plasturion]

Really ? You shouldn't according to this:

Thou shalt not make unto thee any graven image, or any likeness [of any thing] that [is] in heaven above, or that [is] in the earth beneath, or that [is] in the water under the earth: 5 Thou shalt not bow down thyself to them, nor serve them: for I the LORD thy God [am] a jealous God, ..

And

Thou shalt have no other gods before Me. You shouldnt used the Rosary for it is an idols. And you should pray to God through his son Jesus Christ. Not Virgin Mary.

Agree I should say to God, trough Jesus Christ, thanks to Virgin Mary? Maybe I messed something, but If Jesus is Way, Truth and Life, Virgin Mary cannot be as a person His part?

 

[FAST6191]

prove it (in other words thats an opinion not a proven fact)

Generally to get anywhere in debate we have to enact a "the one making the extraordinary claims is the one to prove it" principle. The claim of ghosts is one of the extraordinary claims and the onus is then on the one making it to qualify it.

Going further such a claim would also have to satisfy
What culture's ghosts? The ghosts of Thailand function rather differently to the ghosts of Christian lands, though they in turn tend to borrow from prior beliefs (and Christianity was great at gobbling up prior beliefs and twisting them to view through its own lens -- rag trees in Ireland vs whatever went with trees in Scandinavia) and that is just two of many. Am I then to believe that the universe cares about country/cultural borders?
Psychology has a lot to say on the matter and I can induce such feelings fairly easily (certain frequencies of audio and EM radiation do well), even better if I condition someone over decades to be receptive to such things. If the culture thing does not cover sociology too then it and group psychology says more.
Physics has even more. Information is a concept within physics and if a ghost can manifest it is then a conveyor of information, if we also have ones with the ability to take physical action then that is energy and possibly mass too (the probably light energy to create a human noticeable action under earth conditions, even if you assume it is a black body at the perfect angle, is insane).

You mentioned consciousness. Some time back what is now (and actually then as well) known as organic chemistry was deemed outside the realms of man and only nature could do it, a laughable notion today (and actually at the time it was also done but they did not think it). OK so I can synthesise organic compounds but life needs a spark, oh wait we have a man made virus. Virus is not life, that is OK as we have bacteria now too. Computing is not quite there to simulate one but brain nodes are sort of there and I am not going to rule out an independent AI happening either. To the best of my knowledge an artificially created consciousness has not happened, however I can see it happening.

 

[BlueFox gui]

i personally believe, but i won't explain how and why i belive, i don't want to make other people believe as i don't want to make other people stop believe on it, everybody should respect people's beliefs/opinions, if you don't believe fine i don't have any problem, but if someone else believe, don't be an idiot and talk bad about it, but RESPECT IT, even if you have never seen such things like that, respect is something that everybody deserve and if you want to be respected, respect others too
i'm not saying this to someone, i didn't even read the comments but i'm sure there are people who believe and who doesn't, and i'm sure some of those who doesn't won't respect

 

[froggestspirit]

A ghost tried to approach me, it got leary

 

[G0R3Z]

at one point "common sense" said the world was flat
or
was any historical "genius" considered common

Myth, no Scientist or Geographer ever believed the world was flat. Even the Vikings knew it was round, everybody knew it was a sphere, or oblate spheroid. Christopher Columbus, the failure worshipped by america, believed it was pear shaped and much smaller than it actually is however.

As for Ghosts? I have no reason to believe anything without evidence. There is no evidence to believe that ghosts or any other paranormal phenomena actually exist. It is perfectly acceptable to change your opinion if new evidence is presented, I would willingly accept the existence of ghosts if there was any proof that couldn't be debunked as either mental instability, camera tricks on film or any other trickery. Anyone with an extraordinary claim must be the one to prove their claim, not the skeptical to disprove it.

 

[spotanjo3]

Agree I should say to God, trough Jesus Christ, thanks to Virgin Mary? Maybe I messed something, but If Jesus is Way, Truth and Life, Virgin Mary cannot be as a person His part?

That is okay. We can make mistake understanding the bible.

No, many churches keep Virgin Mary in present time and bible mention that Virgin Mary is no more for she had 4 sons after first son Jesus was born total of five sons and the bible mention that she had several daughters but didnt say how many, thought. She was just Jesus's mother that God choose her to give a birth baby Jesus. Jesus himself said that we shall worship his God father through Jesus's name and no idols including Rosary are allowed according to God's law of Ten Commandments. Many churches ignored God's law and have many idols as well as Jesus idolatry in the churches including worship "Virgin Mary" idolatry also. That's incorrect.

 

[aykay55]

That is okay. We can make mistake understanding the bible.

No, many churches keep Virgin Mary in present time and bible mention that Virgin Mary is no more for she had 4 sons after first son Jesus was born total of five sons and the bible mention that she had several daughters but didnt say how many, thought. She was just Jesus's mother that God choose her to give a birth baby Jesus. Jesus himself said that we shall worship his God father through Jesus's name and no idols including Rosary are allowed according to God's law of Ten Commandments. Many churches ignored God's law and have many idols as well as Jesus idolatry in the churches including worship "Virgin Mary" idolatry also. That's incorrect.

Just curious, how many forms of life do Christians believe God created? Humans, Animals, Angels, ?

 

[G0R3Z]

Just curious, how many forms of life do Christians believe God created? Humans, Animals, Angels, ?

As far as I know, Christians believe their 'God' Created literally everything.

Their Religion is one giant Deus ex Machina; every explanation is 'god did/allowed/forced/coerced/killed'

 

[Falconcrest64]

love and hate...
light and dark...
life and death...
they are all opposite sides of the same coin...
they are together yet destined to forever remain apart...