Hacking 3DS decapping fundraising topic.

[SifJar]

Hmm, if Reverse Engineering is legal, and since it is legal, how does that break copy-right law? Just my question. Ill try to get funds to you guys ASAP.

In the US, the DMCA prohibits bypassing any sort of copy protection mechanism, including those in place on games consoles preventing unsigned code from running. Reverse engineering is legal, but not when it is to bypass mechanisms designed to protect copyrighted materials, such as video games. Recently it was attempted to get an exemption from the relevant section of the DMCA granted for games consoles for the purposes of homebrew, as was done with phones & jailbreaking, but the request was denied and it is still prohibited.

DMCA only applies in the US, and I am unaware of the relevant laws in other countries, but if PayPal is based in the US (which I'm guessing it is), it falls under the jurisdiction of the DMCA. Likewise, if gshock (aka J|12) lives in the US, or if the decapping lab is situated in the US, or possibly even if donors live in the US, the DMCA has some jurisdiction over the process.

Without being a professional lawyer, I can't really say for sure exactly what the legal ramifications of the whole matter are, but my guess is that PayPal want to play it safe, in case of "guilt by association".

 

[pwsincd]

Its good of you to stand the cash for 180 days , but on image 3 it does say your allowed to send refunds , is this from the funds they froze?

 

[Daemauroa]

just a general comment, shouldn't this be stickied? But I must say, I know it may not be so, but It seems not like it to me that there is any guarantee that this will help people to make a flashcart or anything that will let us play 3DS homebrew.

but I would love to see this happening. so I'll just be cheering you on from the sidelines.

 

[Bearpowers]

This needs more attention, wondering why it's not on the front page?

Seriously.

 

[ferret7463]

what is the amount up to now?

 

[TheZander]

what is the amount up to now?

420

 

[Kikirini]

Oooh, will have to see if I can kick some money your way with my next paycheck.

 

[McHaggis]

Its good of you to stand the cash for 180 days , but on image 3 it does say your allowed to send refunds , is this from the funds they froze?

Yes, the funds are frozen from being withdrawn but they can be returned back to the original sender. In fact, gshock recommends this if you are able to donate again using Skrill.

just a general comment, shouldn't this be stickied?

Apparently, the staff aren't too keen on the thread since, although this thread is important to many people in the 3DS hacking community, they're worried this will spawn additional fund raisers for less qualified projects.

But I must say, I know it may not be so, but It seems not like it to me that there is any guarantee that this will help people to make a flashcart or anything that will let us play 3DS homebrew.

but I would love to see this happening. so I'll just be cheering you on from the sidelines.

Nope, there's no guarantee, as originally stated. Analysing the results could give us anything from the keys used to decrypt to the password for Satoru Iwata's secret porn stash to absolutely nothing at all. This has already been stated.

 

[The Pharaoh]

Just a heads up due to the frozen paypal account

Someone either:

A member
or a Lurker

Posted a link from here to 4chan; in which followed people reporting the fundraiser. I honestly suggest some sort of way around this; we don't need this type of "unwanted" attention

 

[RupeeClock]

Just a heads up due to the frozen paypal account

Someone either:

A member
or a Lurker

Posted a link from here to 4chan; in which followed people reporting the fundraiser. I honestly suggest some sort of way around this; we don't need this type of "unwanted" attention

A thread on 4chan is actually how I first heard about this fund raiser.
Most of the people in that thread seemed pretty interested in this endeavour though, but publically broadcasting intentions like this does invite trouble as you say.

 

[Thorhian]

In the US, the DMCA prohibits bypassing any sort of copy protection mechanism, including those in place on games consoles preventing unsigned code from running. Reverse engineering is legal, but not when it is to bypass mechanisms designed to protect copyrighted materials, such as video games. Recently it was attempted to get an exemption from the relevant section of the DMCA granted for games consoles for the purposes of homebrew, as was done with phones & jailbreaking, but the request was denied and it is still prohibited.

DMCA only applies in the US, and I am unaware of the relevant laws in other countries, but if PayPal is based in the US (which I'm guessing it is), it falls under the jurisdiction of the DMCA. Likewise, if gshock (aka J|12) lives in the US, or if the decapping lab is situated in the US, or possibly even if donors live in the US, the DMCA has some jurisdiction over the process.

Without being a professional lawyer, I can't really say for sure exactly what the legal ramifications of the whole matter are, but my guess is that PayPal want to play it safe, in case of "guilt by association".

There is one thing that bothers me though, is that companies like datel make products that run "unsigned code". Their products aren't licensed by Nintendo. They have stuff like the Games 'n music which was sold in stores which could run homebrew code. Then you have the classic AR devices. This is where things become a bit confusing to me. Are they just not too big of a threat for nintendo, or what? I just wish a law like the FAIR USE act would be passed, and we could get copy-right protection circumvention for this sort of stuff, and getting protection of ripping games and legally making software to do so. DMCA to me needs to be fixed.

 

[synce]

This is why you first pledge to donate, THEN donate.

 

[Zero]

PayPal really does suck. I honestly don't know why people prefer it so much. It's good to premise but they screw you over so much.

 

[redact]

PayPal really does suck. I honestly don't know why people prefer it so much. It's good to premise but they screw you over so much.

paypal is my only way of making online purchases... :<

 

[SifJar]

There is one thing that bothers me though, is that companies like datel make products that run "unsigned code". Their products aren't licensed by Nintendo. They have stuff like the Games 'n music which was sold in stores which could run homebrew code. Then you have the classic AR devices. This is where things become a bit confusing to me. Are they just not too big of a threat for nintendo, or what? I just wish a law like the FAIR USE act would be passed, and we could get copy-right protection circumvention for this sort of stuff, and getting protection of ripping games and legally making software to do so. DMCA to me needs to be fixed.

It's true they have products which run unsigned code, but they are very careful not to allow piracy on their devices (for the most part; the Max Media Dock/Player did have a ROM loader, but it wasn't an official "feature"), so they probably manage to stay the right side of the law that way. Although they did get sued by Sony back when they were going to launch the "Lite Blue Tool Battery" which would get service mode on PSP 3000s, a product which subsequently was not released.

 

[Thorhian]

It's true they have products which run unsigned code, but they are very careful not to allow piracy on their devices (for the most part; the Max Media Dock/Player did have a ROM loader, but it wasn't an official "feature"), so they probably manage to stay the right side of the law that way. Although they did get sued by Sony back when they were going to launch the "Lite Blue Tool Battery" which would get service mode on PSP 3000s, a product which subsequently was not released.

Which makes me curious onto where Fair Use comes into play. I have seen many arguments over this, but from what I can tell, Fair Use will generally protect you in many cases as long as your not promoting piracy. Iphone Jailbreak cases come to mind. Honestly, Nintendo and other companies might not have as many people (some will still want to pirate soiftware) trying to hack their devices if they made backup compies easier to do, and maybe even release a special emulator of their own to run signed games linked to your Nintendo Club account or something :/ I use software like dolphin so I can actually play in 1080P, and you can see my nice Water cooled cpu in my profile picture which helps me do so. The Law right now is wishy-washy, and it needs some changes so companies don't go sue the heck out of someone just for releasing a hack.

 

[SifJar]

Which makes me curious onto where Fair Use comes into play. I have seen many arguments over this, but from what I can tell, Fair Use will generally protect you in many cases as long as your not promoting piracy. Iphone Jailbreak cases come to mind. Honestly, Nintendo and other companies might not have as many people (some will still want to pirate soiftware) trying to hack their devices if they made backup compies easier to do, and maybe even release a special emulator of their own to run signed games linked to your Nintendo Club account or something :/ I use software like dolphin so I can actually play in 1080P, and you can see my nice Water cooled cpu in my profile picture which helps me do so. The Law right now is wishy-washy, and it needs some changes so companies don't go sue the heck out of someone just for releasing a hack.

The problem stems from laws being heavily influenced/dictated by the big corporations, and designed to protect their revenue streams, rather than necessarily being for the good of the people. But that's a whole other discussion...

 

[Thorhian]

The problem stems from laws being heavily influenced/dictated by the big corporations, and designed to protect their revenue streams, rather than necessarily being for the good of the people. But that's a whole other discussion...

Yep, but otherwise, im just gonna stick to my Fair Use, since I am aloud a backup. In reality, for paypal to do this, they either were a bit paranoid of the law, or a big company might have been breathing down their throat.

 

[RupeeClock]

The problem stems from laws being heavily influenced/dictated by the big corporations, and designed to protect their revenue streams, rather than necessarily being for the good of the people. But that's a whole other discussion...

Well, you cannot deny that if the 3DS was successfully opened up to homebrew it could pose serious problems to Nintendo and 3rd party developers, once the 3DS is compromised.

 

[Janthran]

Well, you cannot deny that if the 3DS was successfully opened up to homebrew it could pose serious problems to Nintendo and 3rd party developers, once the 3DS is compromised.

Yeah, because then people would make GBA emulators and Nintendo wouldn't be able to milk those anymore.

and of course 3D piracy