Hacking 3.4

[Forsaekn]

that's crazy, now nintendo are forcing updates on their users, i would have thought that was a breech of their privacy!

Updates are only sketchy if you use their WC24 service. Im also fairly certain you have to agree to some terms to utilize such a service. Can't remember on that one though right now, i don't use WC24 for this very reason and it's very late.

 

[MainframeF4]

It's so funny to watch all the people new to the homebrew scene freak out about the update.

Bottom line is if your really worried about the update or your the kind of person who has OCD on keeping their console up to date and cant resist, simply disable your network connection settings on your wii. This way ensures you will never have an accident.

Also, the update should not auto install without the user consent. Well at least in the US. I know this because i am a friend of a Nintendo console repair rep and he does Homebrew as well (ironic, i know) and he says that it requires your consent (or stupidity for that matter)

For everyone that keeps saying that this will kill Homebrew or this is the end of the world, rest assured that for every update that Nintendo releases, there are coders hard at work that will work around it, change it all together and even find ways to let you downgrade. Its just a matter of time.
We all take a risk of updates killing our homebrew on a day to day basis because we all post to sites like this so its never a secret to Nintendo but as a crowd of hackers, coders and simply a homebrew community,we will always prevail.

Just my 2 sense.

 

[Sara-chan]

The private policy mostly changed in wording to be honest with you.

Before:

To ensure that your Wii Console is operating properly and efficiently, we may download updates, patches, upgrades and similar software to your Wii Console. In addition, we may disable unauthorized or illegal software that has been placed on your Wii Console without notifying you where necessary, in order to comply with applicable laws, assist law enforcement, protect us and our customers, and prevent the use and distribution of software obtained through improper channels.
After:
QUOTEWe may without notifying you, download updates, patches, upgrades and similar software to your Wii Console and may disable unauthorized or illegal software placed on your Wii Console to ensure that your Wii Console is operating properly and efficiently, comply with applicable laws, assist law enforcement, protect us and our customers, or prevent the use and distribution of software obtained through improper channels.

 

[pieman202]

I think that was part of the 3.3v2 update, if the WiiConnect24 find ilegal .wad files, thru the Wii dairy, the Wii himself automaticly will update without permision because you did in effect an Unauthorized Modification, like they are doing Unauthorized Upgrades to your Wii, makes sense to me..!!

P.S. Delete all your wads and just keep HBC, that is just my poor opinion

i'm not sure but isn't that an invasion of our privacy or something and that would break their privacy policy...anyway i got the message today it also says that it will get rid of channels as well and i'm not sure if this was already mentioned but i can't be bothered reading 11 pages of comments but this just spoils my plans of getting animal crossing... i hope they don't put a 3.4 update on it for the release to australia =[ and @maikel they worked around this last time witht the twilight hack from the 3.3 update im sure they'll be able to do it again just give them time ^^

 

[Screemer]

what bugs me most is the EULA change which allows nintendo to install updates automatically without a user confirmation. i am pretty sure it's illegal in some countries.

 

[djdynamite123]

I'm wondering how many "I accidentally updated my Wii to 3.4 and now I don't have my homebrew anymore please help !!" threads will be opened in upcoming hours/days.

Love it, lol
Your'e dam right there though

No chance in hell Wiiconnect24 will auto update you to 3.4, full of sh*t
we've said this before, its you that has to confirm and click yes perform update, ok

Accidently or on purpose of curiosity, then to suddenly turn round and say accidently..haha

So has anyone updated and its removed and of their custom channels??
we understand it removes TP save.
anything else nice and thorough explanation would be nice

 

[Sara-chan]

what bugs me most is the EULA change which allows nintendo to install updates automatically without a user confirmation. i am pretty sure it's illegal in some countries.

If you look at the previous privacy policy, they already had that ability if it was to stop piracy.
It looks like all they did was change the wording to make it more clear that they could do it.

 

[djdynamite123]

what bugs me most is the EULA change which allows nintendo to install updates automatically without a user confirmation. i am pretty sure it's illegal in some countries.

which countries does this allow auto update service?

But it's pretty big now Nintendo isn't half trying/doing cracking down on unauthorised piracy and homebrew....dear oh dear

At last Nintendo are banging out updates more often.....still ill be staying on beauty 3.2, starfall with modchip

Gunna blast my wii on now, i have wiiconnect24 on, but i power off after use, lets see

 

[EmperorOfCanada]

The private policy mostly changed in wording to be honest with you.

Before:

To ensure that your Wii Console is operating properly and efficiently, we may download updates, patches, upgrades and similar software to your Wii Console. In addition, we may disable unauthorized or illegal software that has been placed on your Wii Console without notifying you where necessary, in order to comply with applicable laws, assist law enforcement, protect us and our customers, and prevent the use and distribution of software obtained through improper channels.
After:
QUOTEWe may without notifying you, download updates, patches, upgrades and similar software to your Wii Console and may disable unauthorized or illegal software placed on your Wii Console to ensure that your Wii Console is operating properly and efficiently, comply with applicable laws, assist law enforcement, protect us and our customers, or prevent the use and distribution of software obtained through improper channels.

This may be nit picking but.. How can they download ANYTHING to my wii console. Wouldnt they be uploading?

 

[Sara-chan]

This may be nit picking but.. How can they download ANYTHING to my wii console. Wouldnt they be uploading?

Hahah, you have a point, but... Yes and no.
If the transfer is initiated from the console itself, I'd say it can be called downloading.

 

[Heran Bago]

what bugs me most is the EULA change which allows nintendo to install updates automatically without a user confirmation. i am pretty sure it's illegal in some countries.

which countries does this allow auto update service?

But it's pretty big now Nintendo isn't half trying/doing cracking down on unauthorised piracy and homebrew....dear oh dear

At last Nintendo are banging out updates more often.....still ill be staying on beauty 3.2, starfall with modchip

Isn't there part of the EULA which makes it amendable?

I am pretty sure that it is not illegal. In US/California law there is no specific case or statute about updating, and EULAs are generally not legally admissible either way. Generally both you and nintendo can do whatever you want ot your console without violating IP law.

I'm very curious on which countries have passed legislature on auto-updating computer game consoles, please elaborate Screemer.

 

[cr08]

what bugs me most is the EULA change which allows nintendo to install updates automatically without a user confirmation. i am pretty sure it's illegal in some countries.

If you look at the previous privacy policy, they already had that ability if it was to stop piracy.
It looks like all they did was change the wording to make it more clear that they could do it.

Bingo.

Also, the current way that the whole WC24 functionality is set up, I see it hard for them to actually push updates down the line without some easy to spot modifications in the core of the system menu similar to what is in the News and Weather channels to grab updates every so often on their own. Last I recall the messageboard function was not capable of this and was really just a stripped down pop/smtp mail service.

With that in mind and the access that some have to actually decompile the system menu code (ie: marcan, bushing), it'd be fairly easy to spot this functionality being added in.

Though I'd love to be corrected with some FACTUAL information (and not guesses by the peanut gallery) if someone knows otherwise.

 

[linuxares]

Aint it kind of you accept the new TOS when you install the new update?

 

[Meowayne]

And another reason to look forward to cSM.

Bummer. I got Mario Kart and Smash Bros. today, hoping for some online matches. But with the EULA wording, I guess it really is the best idea to keep off WiiConnect24 for now.

 

[Sara-chan]

Aint it kind of you accept the new TOS when you install the new update?

Not really. You have to make sure all of your consumers accept new policies when they are issued.
It's simply normal, because if accepting it is optional, there are too many holes in the policy.

Edit: Oops, I thought it said something like "Aint it kind of suspicious"

 

[djdynamite123]

haven't been prompted for an update.... any Europeans been prompted?

 

[FRanatic]

If you agree to install 3.4 you MUST accept the ToS. And with that ToS come any automated future updates.
So saying 'yes' to 3.4 is saying 'yes' to ALL future updates. It's perfectly legal, because you have accepted the ToS in which this is stated very clearly.

I still believe any agreement between 2 parties is a binding agreement. And that is the case when accepting the ToS, regardless the nature of that agreement, which in this case is auto-updates.

 

[Sara-chan]

If you agree to install 3.4 you MUST accept the ToS. And with that ToS come any automated future updates.
So saying 'yes' to 3.4 is saying 'yes' to ALL future updates. It's perfectly legal, because you have accepted the ToS in which this is stated very clearly.

I still believe any agreement between 2 parties is a binding agreement. And that is the case when accepting the ToS, regardless the nature of that agreement, which in this case is auto-updates.

I don't see how I could make it more clear that the privacy policy only changed in wording.
They were ALREADY allowed to do this! They just made it more clear.

 

[djdynamite123]

If you agree to install 3.4 you MUST accept the ToS. And with that ToS come any automated future updates.
So saying 'yes' to 3.4 is saying 'yes' to ALL future updates. It's perfectly legal, because you have accepted the ToS in which this is stated very clearly.

I still believe any agreement between 2 parties is a binding agreement. And that is the case when accepting the ToS, regardless the nature of that agreement, which in this case is auto-updates.

ahh interesting, so firmwares lower than the currect 3.4 for some countries will not have auto update feature...correct?
and they cannot update lower firmwares e.g. old 3.3a 3.2 3.1 etc through wiiconnect24...?

 

[BL4Z3D247]

well what do you know 3.4 is out, just woke up to my wii blinking again went to my mail and there is a menu version 3.4 available

*deletes update*