Roe V Wade has been repealed

Foxi4 · Jun 25, 2022

hippy dave said:
Alright my brain churned out the wrong word. Semi-automatic, assault weapons etc, take your pick. Guns designed for mowing down swathes of people.

Well, I can’t take my pick because it’s a silly distinction. All firearms are made for killing things. I also disagree that they should be restricted in any way.

AmandaRose said:
Looking at the requirements to get one it's really not that hard other than the time it takes.

https://www.silencercentral.com/blog/can-you-own-a-fully-automatic-weapon-legally/

I know what it takes to own one, thank you. Nobody open carries fully automatic retro firearms, and they *are* difficult to obtain.

Creamu · Jun 25, 2022

hippy dave said:
Living breathing people having their active lives taken from them and being mourned by their families is more of an issue to me than clumps of cells not becoming people. I'm comparing tragedies to clump removals.

A populus without guns can be even more deadly, like the 66.000.000 that were genocided under the bolshevik regime out of ethnic hatred according to Aleksandr Solzhenitsyn.

“I thought about something just now: The decision to nationalize this library was made by the first Soviet government, whose composition was 80-85 percent Jewish,” Putin said June 13 during a visit to Moscow’s Jewish Museum and Tolerance Center.

https://www.timesofisrael.com/putin-first-soviet-government-was-mostly-jewish/

Elodain · Jun 25, 2022

hippy dave said:
Guns designed for mowing down swathes of people.

That's basically every gun after muzzle loading muskets.

MariArch · Jun 25, 2022

Foxi4 said:
You cannot buy automatic weapons in the United States except for a few select pieces that are considered collectible antiques (manufactured pre-1986). Automatic weapons are NFA-registered items and the government reserves the right to deny any transfer of ownership of such firearms, nationwide.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Firearm_Owners_Protection_Act

Where are these automatic weapons in the hands of the public? Whoever has one can consider themselves exceedingly lucky to own an increasingly rare piece of history.

@ 6:45 is the notorious vote where he didn't even bring the vote to a count. But you've probably already seen this.

Technically banning automatic weapons is probably unconstitutional and has just never been challenged nor will be challenged. It's sad because idk a gun enthusiast who wouldn't want to own a Glock 18 or Glock 17 fun switch or something cool. Still transferable, but only rich people can afford them. But y'know, "fuck them poor people".

Valwinz · Jun 25, 2022

PRIDE month has officially turned into LIFE month!

wartutor · Jun 25, 2022

hippy dave said:
Living breathing people having their active lives taken from them and being mourned by their families is more of an issue to me than clumps of cells not becoming people. I'm comparing tragedies to clump removals.

Well technically we are all just clumps and age is just a number humans made up therefore i guess murder should be legal rendering this hole gun topic and abortion debate null.

hippy dave · Jun 25, 2022

Elodain said:
That's basically every gun after muzzle loading muskets.

I'm not up on my technical terms. There's a clear distinction between a pistol you keep in your home (in a locked safe ffs) for protection, and an AK-47. It's a lot easier to kill more school kids before being stopped with one than the other. My point was that the benefit of people having the latter type of gun does not even remotely outweigh the cost to society.

MariArch · Jun 25, 2022

hippy dave said:
Alright my brain churned out the wrong word. Semi-automatic, assault weapons etc, take your pick. Guns designed for mowing down swathes of people.

Don't fall for this talking point. As I pointed out earlier, tons and tons more people are killed by handguns in comparison to semi automatic rifles. This is a slippery slope to what the obvious next talking point is: "we banned rifles, but now its time to go after the real menace, pistols."

NoobletCheese · Jun 25, 2022

Valwinz said:
PRIDE month has officially turned into LIFE month!

hippy dave · Jun 25, 2022

wartutor said:
Well technically we are all just clumps and age is just a number humans made up therefore i guess murder should be legal rendering this hole gun topic and abortion debate null.

I don't believe you can't tell the difference between something that leaves families mourning and communities in shock, and people going to a clinic for a procedure, but well done for trivialising it all to make your point.

Creamu · Jun 25, 2022

Valwinz said:
PRIDE month has officially turned into LIFE month!

I like it. Let's celebrate life for a change.

Foxi4 · Jun 25, 2022

MariArch said:
@ 6:45 is the notorious vote where he didn't even bring the vote to a count. But you've probably already seen this.

Technically banning automatic weapons is probably unconstitutional and has just never been challenged nor will be challenged. It's sad because idk a gun enthusiast who wouldn't want to own a Glock 18 or Glock 17 fun switch or something cool. Still transferable, but only rich people can afford them. But y'know, "fuck them poor people".

All weapons bans and restrictions are unconstitutional, if the original phrasing of the Constitution is read as-is. Some concessions were made over the years for the sake of “public safety”, but the originalist perspective is very simple - shall not be infringed.

NoobletCheese · Jun 25, 2022

hippy dave said:
I don't believe you can't tell the difference between something that leaves families mourning and communities in shock, and people going to a clinic for a procedure, but well done for trivialising it all to make your point.

If a pregnant woman is shot in the belly that also leaves families in mourning and communities in shock.

AmandaRose · Jun 25, 2022

Foxi4 said:
I know what it takes to own one, thank you. Nobody open carries fully automatic retro firearms, and they *are* difficult to obtain.

5000 sold by one company called Midwest Tactical Inc., they have many more in stock right now. Not that hard to get if you have the money. They even have a frigging AK-47 for sale.

If its that hard to fine them how come it took me less than a minute?

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Creamu · Jun 25, 2022

NoobletCheese said:
If a pregnant woman is shot in the belly that also leaves families in mourning and communities in shock.

pustal · Jun 25, 2022

MariArch said:
14th amendment explicitly bans slavery lmao.

There's no amendment making abortion a right however.

See the difference? One is in the constitution, the other isn't

Foxi4 said:
Slavery was always at odds with the Constitution which clearly states that all men are created equal. The Founders, including the ones who owned slaves, have always held the opinion that it was abhorrent, but it had to be permitted at the time in order to reach a consensus that would allow states to unify against a common enemy. It was rightfully abolished, thus fulfilling the promise of the Constitution for all. We know this from their personal correspondence and many of the papers they wrote. Some quotes:

“There is not a man living who wishes more sincerely than I do, to see a plan adopted for the abolition of it." - George Washington

“Every measure of prudence, therefore, ought to be assumed for the eventual total extirpation of slavery from the United States (…) I have, through my whole life, held the practice of slavery in abhorrence." - John Adams

“Slavery is (…) an atrocious debasement of human nature." - Benjamin Franklin

"We have seen the mere distinction of colour made in the most enlightened period of time, a ground of the most oppressive dominion ever exercised by man over man." - James Madison

The Constitution was always designed with the intention of the eventual abolition of slavery, from day one.

You are both running away from the question, which is quite simple: would if be better if states could legislate on slavery individually? Forget the current federal law or constitution.

wartutor · Jun 25, 2022

hippy dave said:
I don't believe you can't tell the difference between something that leaves families mourning and communities in shock, and people going to a clinic for a procedure, but well done for trivialising it all to make your point.

Noone mourns for that "clump" as you like to call it because some heartless animal ripped it away from its only source of nurtition when it needed it the most then scrambled it like an egg before vacuuming it out of existance. Hell who knows maybe that save the world by killing the next hitler before it was born and the way i think is wrong. I have been around and owned guns my whole life and surprise but not one time has that gun tried to kill me or anyone around me...has gotten me some good dear meat a time or two....guess thats one plus to having it. The other is the fact that if needed (god forbid...and i am not a god person just no better way to put it) i can have a chance at aborting a life with it if threated by someone your democratic leaders think shouldnt be locked away from society even though they keep repeating the same habits.

hippy dave · Jun 25, 2022

NoobletCheese said:
If a pregnant woman is shot in the belly that also leaves families in mourning and communities in shock.

Wow, you really believed you came up with a good point :rofl2:

wartutor · Jun 25, 2022

AmandaRose said:
5000 sold by one company called Midwest Tactical Inc., they have many more in stock right now. Not that hard to get if you have the money. They even have a frigging AK-47 for sale.

If its that hard to fine them how come it took me less than a minute?

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Thanks i have been lookin for one of those. Now to do some light shopping.

MariArch · Jun 25, 2022

hippy dave said:
Living breathing people having their active lives taken from them and being mourned by their families is more of an issue to me than clumps of cells not becoming people. I'm comparing tragedies to clump removals.

Yes, it turns out if you can convince the public that abortions are merely "clump removal", then people will not think much of it.

You can literally see pictures of these children's corpses after an abortion and see that they are living, growing humans. Our society shrouding it and mystery and using euphemisms to downplay systemic infanticide is merely testament to the evil of today's society.

Roe V Wade has been repealed

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