Homebrew Question Is it possible to allow Bluetooth headsets with the use of Homebrew?

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It's been a common complaint that the switch doesn't allow bluetooth audio. From what I've seen, many believe that Nintendo could allow for bluetooth headsets to connect and transmit audio. Would this be possible to implement with homebrew? Or are we not that far yet?
 
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Its been said by devs that the Bluetooth chipset in the Switch actually isn't capable of being used as an audio controller. If true, its literally impossible to use Bluetooth audio devices on the Switch. Which is a huge shame and a massive fucking oversight on Nintendo's part.
 

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Its been said by devs that the Bluetooth chipset in the Switch actually isn't capable of being used as an audio controller. If true, its literally impossible to use Bluetooth audio devices on the Switch. Which is a huge shame and a massive fucking oversight on Nintendo's part.
Do you have more info? It's very interesting to hear that
 

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I hope so, especially because I'd like to use other controllers too, like the Xbox One S one. There are special dongles (Magic-NS) that make this possible, but a software solution would definitely be a better (and cheaper) solution.

the Bluetooth chipset in the Switch actually isn't capable of being used as an audio controller
Doubt. The chipset is a BCM4356, also included in the Nexus 6, HTC M9 and GPD Win. It's certainly an OS thing, they just want to avoid yet another possible entry point.
 
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I hope so, especially because I'd like to use other controllers too, like the Xbox One S one. There are special dongles (Magic-NS) that make this possible, but a software solution would definitely be a better (and cheaper) solution.


Doubt. The chipset is a BCM4356, also included in the Nexus 6, HTC M9 and GPD Win. It's certainly an OS thing, they just want to avoid yet another possible entry point.
I don't really see what a bluetooth audio device could do instead of a usb or 3.5 mm audio device that would be usable as an exploit...though then again, people are complaining about ninty having no bluetooth headphone support when even the ps4 doesn't which seems wildly bazaar. You can get it to show up in the menu but trying sinc up just has it say it doesn't support bt audio devices....your controller is bluetooth and has a headphone jack and therefore acts as a bt audio device already, wtf
 

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Its been said by devs that the Bluetooth chipset in the Switch actually isn't capable of being used as an audio controller. If true, its literally impossible to use Bluetooth audio devices on the Switch. Which is a huge shame and a massive fucking oversight on Nintendo's part.
That's... not true.
The only bottleneck would be transfer speed, any bluetooth chipset can be used as an audio controller.
In fact, it already is. HD rumble. That's just binary audio being send via bluetooth.
Also, we know the bluetooth speed is pretty good, considering the live video stream from the IR camera as seen in Labo.
 
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I don't really see what a bluetooth audio device could do instead of a usb or 3.5 mm audio device
You're focusing on audio devices and forgetting the rest. If you allow people to search for devices, you could potentially connect the console to a malicious device that may send exploits and/or viruses
 

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You're focusing on audio devices and forgetting the rest. If you allow people to search for devices, you could potentially connect the console to a malicious device that may send exploits and/or viruses
no, I'm saying that allowing any Bluetooth device to connect is no worse then any usb device to connnect, the latter of which is already possible and easily more likely to be made malicious
 
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That's... not true.
The only bottleneck would be transfer speed, any bluetooth chipset can be used as an audio controller.
In fact, it already is. HD rumble. That's just binary audio being send via bluetooth.
Also, we know the bluetooth speed is pretty good, considering the live video stream from the IR camera as seen in Labo.
If I was indeed correct, then my sincerest apologies for spreading misinformation. I swear I read that on the Reswitched discord and that's what was said to me, but alas, I'll conceed that it's completely possible I either received misinformation myself, or I just simply read it wrong :)
 

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no, I'm saying that allowing any Bluetooth device to connect is no worse then any usb device to connnect, the latter of which is already possible and easily more likely to be made malicious
It's different, because with USB you'd have access to files and stuff like this, it's easier to prevent attacks, unless you find some way using the USB controller itself. With Bluetooth it's easier because of the way it works, with a non secure implementation you may trigger exploits using the handshake or even the broadcast name itself, and you should consider the fact that a data stream can't be checked like you'd check an actual file (well, I'm not a security expert, feel free to prove me wrong)
 

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There is one extreme flaw about his assumption. Bluetooth is a confusing technology at consumer level because its named after the group that designs it rather than the actual specification.

Bluetooth at least nowadays has two different stacks, traditional Bluetooth technology which is a a higher data rate, and BLE or Bluetooth low energy. BLE was invented primarily to maximize the longevity of sensors in IoT devices, as deploying a sensor that's not plugged into a power source, you want to maximize its longevity, thus BLE is designed to only give state information(basically very low data rate) and re transmit when the state changes, so battery consumption is minimized.

Most modern devices such as a smartphone advertise the tech as Bluetooth only, but in reality, phones typically have a dual stack Bluetooth module, that is a stack for high data(Traditional), and a stack for low data(BLE) as both stacks almost have nothing similar to each other other than being named by their mother company.

The reason why I believe the logic is flawed is the following:

1. BLE was invented during Bluetooth 4.0 specifications

2. Nintendo's specifications for the system has the main system capable of 4.1 (most common on devices made around or after 2013) but clearly state that joycons are using bluetooth 3.0 on the following page:

https://www.nintendo.com/switch/features/tech-specs/

3. The above is supported by the fact that you can connect joycons to a PC. I personally have an old bluetooth 2.0(bluetooth spec, not usb spec) usb dongle which can connect to my Joycons and receive inputs (albeit pretty crapily, but the dongle has 0 BLE capability)
 

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I am no expert but lakka and Android on switch has wireless audio so it's probably not about Hardware

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I am no expert but lakka and Android on switch has wireless audio so it's probably not a Hardware limit.
 

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It's been a common complaint that the switch doesn't allow bluetooth audio. From what I've seen, many believe that Nintendo could allow for bluetooth headsets to connect and transmit audio. Would this be possible to implement with homebrew? Or are we not that far yet?
I have been reading about this. Try nx-btred
 

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Why is everyone here talking out of their asses? Yes bluetooth audio on the switch is possible, and not only that it has been implemented, go try it for yourselves
https://github.com/plutooo/nx-btred
It has its limitations, but it works

it has also been completely implemented on Android and Linux running on the Switch, why would the hardware not be capable of supporting audio?
 
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Why is everyone here talking out of their asses? Yes bluetooth audio on the switch is possible, and not only that it has been implemented, go try it for yourselves
https://github.com/plutooo/nx-btred
It has its limitations, but it works

it has also been completely implemented on Android and Linux running on the Switch, why would the hardware not be capable of supporting audio?
This is an old thread dude. At time of posting it was impossible.
 
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Why is everyone here talking out of their asses? Yes bluetooth audio on the switch is possible, and not only that it has been implemented, go try it for yourselves
https://github.com/plutooo/nx-btred
It has its limitations, but it works

it has also been completely implemented on Android and Linux running on the Switch, why would the hardware not be capable of supporting audio?
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Why is everyone here talking out of their asses? Yes bluetooth audio on the switch is possible, and not only that it has been implemented, go try it for yourselves
https://github.com/plutooo/nx-btred
It has its limitations, but it works

it has also been completely implemented on Android and Linux running on the Switch, why would the hardware not be capable of supporting audio?

Never worked for me :(
 

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