You know what? I don't care if I get banned for saying you're a straight up dumbass. Someone has to call it out.If Vaccines are as safe as everyone claims Billionaires do not need blanket liability immunity. Auto-industry does just fine without a liability waiver killing or maiming a much larger percentage of people than vaccines do.
https://money.usnews.com/investing/...sts-25-billion-in-2021-sales-of-covid-19-shot
You know what? I don't care if I get banned for just saying you're a straight up dumbass. Someone has to call it out.
You know what? I don't care if I get banned for just saying you're a straight up dumbass. Someone has to call it out.
Also, Terry Crews says to get the vaccine. Maybe he'll convince you. https://twitter.com/terrycrews/status/1370056928710303745?s=20
There you go again. Associating it with popularity when it has nothing to do with that.Arguing for the sake "herd immunity" but not connected to popularity? Claiming I'm the one twisting things and "fucking crazy", but saying that I am against vaccines because of "popularity"?
Yes, it is projection on your part.
If you believe in an institution (which lies) and hate whistleblowers, then I can admit that I envy your confidence.
I'm fully vaxxed. You can still get covid at a much reduced rate, but if I do get it my body will do a better job fighting it off and less likely to spread it which is the main reason why I got vaxxed, to not spread it to older people.You said,you wear a Mask and you never got Covid.Very good,Really.
A very nice Example.
Are you now vaccinated ?
For the Example you brought and for the Pro Vaccination Side,the Fact,you can still get Covid (of course with not so hard Symptoms).
So one Point if you allow please (and it is nothing against you and your Post,my Friend.).
Would you be so nice and kind and can you please explain me the Logic of Vaccination ALL People with the Example from @SG854 please ?
(I am willing to understand the ONE View....)
I hope I made my Question really clear and with no Offending please.
Thank you.
On the second part did you tag me on accident? You quoted someone else but tagged me.
There you go again. Associating it with popularity when it has nothing to do with that.
Science has nothing to do with popularity contest. It can't be projection if popularity is not the reason why I support vaccines.
There are *always* risks involved with anything, so let's talk about them. Most covid related papers are open access. Here's a search term: "covid vaccine side effects papers." Hell, the CDC even keeps track of deaths in the US. 6340 deaths out of 342 million total doses given, 0.0019%, which is 3 orders of magnitude lower than the covid death rate of 1.8%. Some percentage of those vaccine deaths aren't even vaccine deaths since deaths with unclear causes after getting the vaccine must be reported to the tracker.Not as dumb as supporting blanket liability immunity for a "perfectly safe" product.
There are *always* risks involved with anything, so let's talk about them. Most covid related papers are open access. Here's a search term: "covid vaccine side effects papers." Hell, the CDC even keeps track of deaths in the US. 6340 deaths out of 342 million total doses given, 0.0019%, which is 3 orders of magnitude lower than the covid death rate of 1.8%. Some percentage of those vaccine deaths aren't even vaccine deaths since deaths with unclear causes after getting the vaccine must be reported to the tracker.
So, the risk of the vaccine is negligible. 0.0019% is practically a freak accident, and it's also overshooting the actual lower value. It's literally not worth worrying about, and when you get the vaccine they usually have you stay for the like 15 minutes after getting it so that in the very rare chance you *do* get serious side effects, they'll be able to treat it.
More common side effects? Your arm will hurt for a day or two. You'll feel like you have a cold or flu for a day or so, starting around 10 hours after the second dose (sometimes with a low grade fever, sometimes a higher one, but it goes away within a day). And then you'll be fine. Hell, some people get pretty bad side effects (high fever, chills, serious nausea), but after a day they're fine. Much much better than risking catching actual covid and potentially getting hospitalized and put on oxygen IMO. And even if you know you *had* covid, the extra protection provided by taking the vaccine is nothing to sneeze at.
Now, how much protection do the vaccines provide? It's unclear how well the vaccines actually prevents infection (and it'll vary with each variant that sprouts up), but what we *do* know is that they are effective in preventing serious illness, and areas with high vaccination rates have much fewer infections and much much fewer hospitalizations. Pfizer, as a baseline, appears to provide about a 96% protection against hospitalization when a breakthrough infection of the delta variant occurs (the more infectious variant that the vaccine wasn't even made for).
ALL of this data is open to the public. It's at the tips of my fingers on google. Most covid research papers are open access. Not to mention that even the Trump administration realized how serious this pandemic was going to be and paid for the vaccine so you don't have to pay out of pocket (it comes out of taxes, obviously, but it's a lot cheaper than hospitalizations).
EDIT: Oh yeah, speaking of hospitalizations, the cost them is ridiculous. Most insurance plans cover covid hospitalizations (I doubt will last forever, don't freak out if they decide to require vaccination before covering potential covid treatment costs), but the out of pocket costs before any covid-specific amnesty can be like $8000. Hell, even if the jab was $100 I'd still get that over risking such a large expense.
EDIT2: The 30% voting "no" in the thread poll are either uninformed, misinformed, brainwashed, or dumb. Two of those conditions are fixable. The other two, well, that's a bit more difficult.
Ironically, while I didn't look it, base on how they work, the mRNA one is probably safer.Anecdotally, I personally know people who have hesitancy about the mRNA vaccines who got the J&J vaccine.
I also know people who hate shots and wanted something "one and done."
Anyone on the anti-vax side presented any peer-reviewed evidence yet?
Because there's actual peer-reviewed research and evidence on the pro-vaccine side. I understand that people who are against vaccines are still people but that doesn't mean they get a free pass for their dangerous beliefs. I respect the hell out of you and view you as a valuable member of this site, so I mean you no disrespect, but unfortunately, I do stand by the fact that the anti-vax movement is dangerous and based on misinformation. So I will continue to ask for evidence to be proven wrong and this evidence needs to be more than a handful of doctors/individuals with unbacked claims. If there is evidence against vaccines, then there should be evidence to back that up.Why anti-vax side ?
People,who do not like or do not want to get vaccinated are also Humans......
Because there's actual peer-reviewed research and evidence on the pro-vaccine side. I understand that people who are against vaccines are still people but that doesn't mean they get a free pass for their dangerous beliefs. I respect the hell out of you and view you as a valuable member of this site, so I mean you no disrespect, but unfortunately, I do stand by the fact that the anti-vax movement is dangerous and based on misinformation. So I will continue to ask for evidence to be proven wrong and this evidence needs to be more than a handful of doctors/individuals with unbacked claims. If there is evidence against vaccines, then there should be evidence to back that up.
So you're saying the left-sided behavior (me and other people calling out your bullshit, and I guess vaccine liability protection for the companies) is more detrimental to society than the death 612K people (in the US alone). Right.... Behavior from leftist marxist dirt bags which you exhibit is more detrimental to society than Covid and I am not going to do anything to embolden or enable you.
You have no idea what information or criteria someone decides not to get vaccinated on, that is the problem with people thinking they know best for someone else.
The misinformation around vaccines and that it's safe to not get them. As well as trusting a lack of information about that comes from the anti-vax perspective. I am still going to ask, is there evidence to back up the anti-vax side and if so, why hasn't it been presented? Why aren't there any peer-reviewed research papers to back up any of the anti-vax beliefs?What misinformation is that? You have no idea what information or criteria someone decides not to get vaccinated on, that is the problem with people thinking they know best for someone else.
Please realize that without the vaccine,your risk of catching,struggling with,and dying from covid is orders of magnitude higher than the risks from the vaccine itself.
If you get Covid and have the real hard Symptoms:
THAT is 100 Percent true.View attachment 271547
As is well known,long-term Consequences/Phenomena are not yet known.