Hacking Do you ever think that there is going to be a patched switch exploit on modern firmware.

The Real Jdbye · Mar 8, 2021

WiiMiiSwitch said:
Where did Gateway go?

Gateway is TX.

Deleted member 546149 · Mar 8, 2021

linuxares · Mar 8, 2021

WiiMiiSwitch said:
Where did Gateway go?

The heads went to jail

Deleted member 546149 · Mar 8, 2021

Knew that, oh the unfair courts

Kioku · Mar 8, 2021

WiiMiiSwitch said:
Knew that, oh the unfair courts

What about it is unfair?

Ryab · Mar 8, 2021

WiiMiiSwitch said:
This is a poll, if you don't know what that is why are you here?

It's sure to happen eventually but its looking like it will be a long while.

Deleted member 546149 · Mar 9, 2021

When (if) it does happen I bet someone will start a musical, like Hamilton "in the room that it happened

Draxzelex · Apr 11, 2021

WiiMiiSwitch said:
Knew that, oh the unfair courts

Again, what is so unfair about what the courts did to TX?

Jokey_Carrot · Apr 11, 2021

Draxzelex said:
Again, what is so unfair about what the courts did to TX?

I should be able to install whatever I want on my device because I own it.

hippy dave · Apr 11, 2021

Jokey_Carrot said:
I should be able to install whatever I want on my device because I own it.

I agree with this, and I believe modchips should be legal. TX broke a bunch of unrelated financial laws tho which did them no favours (poetic TX fans can take this opportunity to compare them to Al Capone).

Draxzelex · Apr 11, 2021

Jokey_Carrot said:
I should be able to install whatever I want on my device because I own it.

But that is not really the issue here as hippy dave pointed out. Adding onto what he said, TX also broke GPL due to using Atmosphere's code so they were in legal trouble with or without the modchips.

Jokey_Carrot · Apr 12, 2021

Draxzelex said:
But that is not really the issue here as hippy dave pointed out. Adding onto what he said, TX also broke GPL due to using Atmosphere's code so they were in legal trouble with or without the modchips.

Oh yeah fuck people who break GPL. Break GPL and Richard Stallman will break your knees.

DaniPoo · Apr 12, 2021

Considering people are still finding ways to exploit much older systems like the PS2 and stuff. Yeah, the Switch is very popular so I doubt people will give up trying anytime soon. And I don't think there is such a thing as a 100% secure system.
People used to say that the PS3 was unhackable until it wasn't anymore..

M7L7NK7 · Apr 12, 2021

Yeah but a console's security from 20 years ago is very different from now

DaniPoo · Apr 12, 2021

Milenko said:
Yeah but a console's security from 20 years ago is very different from now

Sure, but as security gets more sophisticated so does the hacking methods.
New vulnerabilites are found all the time.
In fact, the more advanced a system becomes the more potential vulnerabilities is may have.

Draxzelex · Apr 20, 2021

Jokey_Carrot said:
Oh yeah fuck people who break GPL. Break GPL and Richard Stallman will break your knees.

You want to be sarcastic eh? Fine, who cares if you don't get permission to distribute something you own? I'll start selling tapestries of Mario and custom builds of Windows with no issues because nobody cares about GPL or the right to own something.

MetoMeto · Mar 29, 2022

CompSciOrBust said:
This probably won't happen unless Nintendo fucks up like they did with ro:han on 3.0.0. Unlike most other consoles the Switch is a micro kernel design which means that the surface area for attack is very small so there aren't many vulnerabilities. As well as reducing the number of vulns the small kernel size means the entire thing can be reverse engineered relatively quickly compared to other consoles. Old consoles get hacked when people look in to areas of the OS that haven't been thoroughly explored before but the entire Switch kernel has now been faithfully reimplemented in Atmosphere. If there was a useful bug in the current firmware, it would have been found in the process of doing that.

There may be bugs in the boot rom but if there were TX would have likely sold them instead of the SX Core. Selling an easy to use vulnerability is better than a glitch chip because most people aren't willing to solder shit to their motherboard. Additionally the software methods of launching cfw on low firmware Erista units relied on a bug in how the boot rom handled sleep mode, that is why Mariko units couldn't be hacked with Deja Vu despite shipping with a low enough firmware.

You might be able to get regular homebrew access by hacking each individual sys-module but that would take considerable effort and wouldn't allow for most cfw features, it would be like the 3.0.0 exploit before Fusee-Gelee was released. The only way we will get CFW on new units without a modchip is if Nintendo massively fucks up a future firmware update, someone at Nintendo leaks the signature keys for the firmware, or by waiting until computers are fast enough to bruteforce the signature keys.

If you want to hack the Switch pro there is still a way you could do it but it would need a glitch chip and it could be patched in firmware. You may recall before the SX Core was released people in ReSwitched were speculating that it was glitching the boot loader, it was actually glitching the boot rom BCT checks, but in theory glitching the bootloader would work. The downside is Nintendo could just add random timings in a future update and I don't think any Open Source people would work on it as it would risk them getting sued like Max Louarn and Gary Bowser currently are. There is also another potential exploit that would be easier to pull off than glitching the bootloader but that would also require a glitch chip and I haven't seen anyone else discussing it (I don't even now if it's possible because I don't have the time or skills to reverse engineer the boot rom but based on public knowledge and my understanding of glitch attacks I don't see why it wouldn't work).

Edit: Also Nintendo has a bug bounty so most people would rather sell if and get $$$, I know I would. If a bug is reported and Nintendo fixes it though it would be made public soon enough because people will just diff the binaries to see what changed and why.

you would sell to nintendo. thas just great.

mrgone · Mar 29, 2022

unlikely, Nintendo diligently makes its homework
i see a higher chance of someone adding XCI support to atmosphere (maybe in a few years, after the successor console is released)

Viri · Mar 29, 2022

Yes. No console stays unhacked, unless you're Microsoft. But that's only because most people don't care enough to bother, because their games are on PC and homebrew is already there.

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