Dude I'm not with you - when as a reaction to stuff you post an image of a known child molester. Your logic circuts are burned out. Get treated.The real question is will the deniers go with A) It is not statistically significant. B) NBC is a right wing conspiracy theorist peddling rightwing fake news. or C) Type "Fact check" followed by their opinion.
On Planet earth there is a ruling class, and member of that ruling class routinely traffic, exploit and have sex with children. If you aren't aware of this you are either in denial or not paying the smallest bit of attention. It's more popular amongst the 0.01% than golf.
The catholic church does it, or politicians do it and Hollywood does it.
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This is manipulation.
- FIrst whoever made the video restates the name of the person - which probably doesnt have high google search juice, so extremist blog networks can push stories to wrap people into their scene, starting from google search results.
- In the video he said, they can alter data after the voting process - namely the 'audit mark' connected to an image of a ballot - but that they dont alter the ballot itself. So they provide a system to do 'manual recounting' using the scans.
Which is also bad.
Jesus.
In that video you see a vote scanner, which is NOT one way, and not connected to a bag/box with a lock.
Jesus.
Also forget, that eInk idea - the scanners read data not via OCR, bit via a QR code. So to 'duplicate a vote' you just scan in the QR code again. The machine then will keep an image copy of that scanned ballot, but that only becomes actionable in case of a 'manual recount'. By default the vote scan system ignores all human readable data on the sheet.
Holy mother of Jesus.
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edit: Ok, but those systems create your vote electronically anyhow. So you press button. Mashine prints paper, you check if vote is correct (touchscreen worked) in human readable portion. You bring that over to a ballot scanner. That ignores the human readable portion, and just scans QR code.
Then there are subsystems for 'verification'.
Someone knows, when such a ballot is 'human verified'? (Checked against the human readable portion on the scan (! what?) stored in the system, or the original paper (?).)
But if it is checked against the original paper, and then paper is filed away - why do you have a scanned image in the system at all? At what point do you rely on the scanned image in the system?
Please slap me - I want to get back to a reality, where those arent problems you seriously have to consider...
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Ironic that you have a picture of President Camacho as your profile picture seeing as you both seem to share the same level of intelligence
Do you expect people to show more intelligent than the avatars that they use? I know it's a saying, "not to judge a book by its cover", but who reads books anymore? ..and wouldn't it be nice if the cover of a book did a good job of reflecting what was inside?
Nice title gore btw.
Ok - here is another 'voting fraud' claim analyzed.
"Forgot to put in memory cards"
According to the manufacturer, the systems modems are used for 'quick reporting' of election results.
Data itself is stored on memory cards, who then get driven to county election offices to tally the official count.
In regards to hackability this doesnt matter - because 'dont put those machines on the internet'!
But it means, that the way they 'noticed' that there were 'probably missing memory cards' on the last election night, was the modems phoning home a different result - via the internet - on election night. Which was more accurate than the official tally, because of forgotten memory cards in some states?
Jesus.
Do you know what you could do instead of connecting those machines to the internet? Use a person that phones the preliminary results in on election night. Oh - but thats too much work? Better connect the mashines to the internet?
"Forgot to put in memory cards"
According to the manufacturer, the systems modems are used for 'quick reporting' of election results.
Data itself is stored on memory cards, who then get driven to county election offices to tally the official count.
In regards to hackability this doesnt matter - because 'dont put those machines on the internet'!
But it means, that the way they 'noticed' that there were 'probably missing memory cards' on the last election night, was the modems phoning home a different result - via the internet - on election night. Which was more accurate than the official tally, because of forgotten memory cards in some states?
Jesus.
Do you know what you could do instead of connecting those machines to the internet? Use a person that phones the preliminary results in on election night. Oh - but thats too much work? Better connect the mashines to the internet?
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It really is a complete s**tshow. I am surprised that we even had users like @Lacius or @monkeyman4412 ignoring these blatant security flaws while claiming that we should have faith the US election process as a default. It's all f*cked. Trump is a joke, okay, but America earned that.
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If these issues are ignored, I'm afraid that it is going to be the intelligence of people, itself, is what is being disenfranchised by "modern democracy". But really, isn't that already the trend?
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Two different things.
1. Security flaws
2. Bonkers theories of how they were exploited in a great scheme of...
Some of the stuff the now fired lawyer was talking about still makes no sense at all (even systemically). This includes the claim, that 'on election night, the prebaked algo for vote manipulation (that wasnt found) failed, and then they switched over to ballot stuffing, which we also dont have proof for (not even whitness accounts as far as I'm aware of).
But in terms of 'possibility' - holy smokes.
You have private security researchers scouring the internet for voting centers and vote reporting servers (!), which are on the (firewall secured and certainly not open) internet!?
You then go to the press in august, and subsequently see them vanish from your portscan maps, because they are removed from the internet?
The people running the voting centers in many cases didnt know, that their machines were connected to the internet?
You then have the agency thats responsible for 'electronic voting security' give out a statement with, dont worry - there are logs, and everything is certified (which means no security updates - because cert = very expensive)?
RAh?
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Its also that the lawyer was asked (on newsmax 
), what that means for 'how many people must have been involved in such a scheme' (including the human error portion on the frontend that is used to 'fatten up' the 'structural' claims), and responded with "thousands, including all the poll workers".
Not very confidence inspiring.
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Machines/scanners/tabulators are supposed to only 'connect to the internet for a short period of time' - but sometimes were online for moths.
So mitigation against hacking is "only keep them online for a few minutes". *wipe sweat off of forehead*
And yes - indeed, they used the online connections to update them - just only in 'certain counties'.
While update servers probably were online all the time.
*Wadddabadugh?*
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Edit: Economy behind the really conspiracy laiden stuff (ad based - but you have to spend to gain attention. )
Theres money in promoting those networks.
), what that means for 'how many people must have been involved in such a scheme' (including the human error portion on the frontend that is used to 'fatten up' the 'structural' claims), and responded with "thousands, including all the poll workers". Not very confidence inspiring.
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Machines/scanners/tabulators are supposed to only 'connect to the internet for a short period of time' - but sometimes were online for moths.
So mitigation against hacking is "only keep them online for a few minutes". *wipe sweat off of forehead*
And yes - indeed, they used the online connections to update them - just only in 'certain counties'.
https://www.vice.com/en/article/3kx...-left-exposed-online-despite-official-denials
While update servers probably were online all the time.
*Wadddabadugh?*
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Edit: Economy behind the really conspiracy laiden stuff (ad based - but you have to spend to gain attention.
)https://www.vice.com/en/article/dy8...lection-conspiracy-during-giuliani-livestream
Theres money in promoting those networks.
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It seems like they are trying to address all aspects of potential voter fraud and started doing so with the small stuff. I'm not confident in any system that I cannot personally verify. However, I am not a person that the institution has been trying to represent. When it comes to the digital territory of things, then there is a stronger case, with a more centralized group of potential actors. Could be 1 or it could be 50. For me, the bottom line is that it is not reasonable to expect me to put faith a company that cannot verify, without a doubt, of its record keeping capacity. If there is an obvious security flaw, I'm going to treat it as already compromised. History has shown me that whenever I see a backdoor, it has already been exploited by 23 other groups.
For people who question this type of logic, check your spam folder.
This is gbatemp. Why has it taken this long for this shit to be spelled out?
@monkeyman4412 @Lacius @Xzi
For people who question this type of logic, check your spam folder.
This is gbatemp. Why has it taken this long for this shit to be spelled out?
@monkeyman4412 @Lacius @Xzi
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Well in an American justice system you are innocent until proven guilty. The issue with voter fraud is
1. if fraud was as wide spread as people claim. why has Republicans never acted or even raised the concern until after the election. As the last 4 years were Led by Republican is would of been easy to bring up the issued before the elections and audit the system. why wait till after the election?
2. If fraud is wide spread why are Republicans only claiming fraud and requesting an audit in Areas they are losing? when 24 states were using Dominion Voting in November 2020 but theres only fraud in the 4-5 swing states?
3. When someone makes a claim of fraud it usually means proof has already been located. Till this point no Real proof of wide spread voter fraud has been presented or even found. The only thing ever presented is the Idea that there "could be" and that does not satisfy the burden of proof that is required in American court systems.
4, Claiming fraud with out any proof but still demanded audits then become a phishing expedition. which is not allowed the American Court system and worse it creates a doubt to anyone not versed on how the Court system operates because it creates the illusion that something is there? (example : A Wife accuses a Husband is cheating on her because her favorite magazine told her "90% of all men cheat. although her husband as been nothing but the perfect husband, the wife still demand access to his phone and demand a tracker on him at all times. ) entertaining wild Conspiracy theories without valid proof distorts the peoples mind
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https://www.vice.com/en/article/3kx...-left-exposed-online-despite-official-denials
Still - probably not wide spread fraudulent abuse. But that answers your timing question.
Still - probably not wide spread fraudulent abuse. But that answers your timing question.
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Oh. Are you being serious now? That's a little out of character. Too much shock for me to address tonight. I'm already tired. Republicans are untrustworthy as Democrats are untrustworthy. That was essentially Trump's campaign, which won him his first term. If you were to ask me why they wouldn't prosecute immediately after they won, maybe they were laying the groundwork to catch them in the act? That seriously could be giving them too much credit, and making the situation much more interesting than it should be.
No thats sarcasm.
Its their first election after the issue has been laid bare.
'I wonder why now, and not in august, when they had nothing to gain politically' is definitely sarcasm..
Like they would give them incentive to strengthen their efforts for no reason.
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1. Why didn't you let me know that you were this smart, before... Why wait until now? What benefit could you gain in blind-sighting me?
2. Why fight a winning battle? If there is a need to re-audit the whole election do you think it will hurt Trump? I think it is more likely that he said, "guys, let's not cheat this time."
3. You are right. So far, that is the the situation. Why do they appear to be so stupid??
4. My wife uses my phone whenever she wants. Because it's a phone, and it's convenient. I don't relate.
Bitcoin for president btw.
This "almost apology" from @AmandaRose . It's more than I can expect from someone like @Ev1l0rd
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1. Why didn't you let me know that you were this smart, before... Why wait until now? What benefit could you gain in blind-sighting me?
2. Why fight a winning battle? If there is a need to re-audit the whole election do you think it will hurt Trump? I think it is more likely that he said, "guys, let's not cheat this time."
3. You are right. So far, that is the the situation. Why do they appear to be so stupid??
4. My wife uses my phone whenever she wants. Because it's a phone, and it's convenient. I don't relate.
Bitcoin for president btw.
This "almost apology" from @AmandaRose . It's more than I can expect from someone like @Ev1l0rd
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I apologise for being an arse in a few posts in this thread which as most people on the temp will tell you isn't normally me. I don't apologise for being who I am and for my belief in what is right or wrong.
1. You know your are on the internet?, just because someone presents themselves as a 18 year old sexy lady. Does not mean she’s really a lady...
2. The issue is Republicans are using this as a win/win for them.. As they want the audits delay cerification to pick their own electors and and create doubt even after the audit they are still going to claim fraud but it was covered up to play on the base
3. Their goal is to present the idea of fraud by creating 100 frivolous lawsuits, their base thinks that there were enough evidence to bring up 100 lawsuits because they are not looking at the substance only the headline
4. It’s the issue of trust. You are mistrusting a person,you should trust, because of a unrealistic and unreliable source
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